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Posted by ArSoNiSt JoE on 12 May 2013 - 01:21 AM
Posted by DaEvilWithin on 27 November 2013 - 12:28 AM
I better throw away my immortality and infinite chakra if I want to win!
Posted by Greg on 12 January 2013 - 02:06 PM
As you guys have realized, this is now the second time in three days that we've had significant downtime as a result of a SQL error. Apparently the SQL process on the server keeps on crashing, and do to some convoluted infrastructure I can't even do something like write a cron job that checks if it's up every 15 minutes. Regardless, I'm trying to get to the bottom of all of this with the server people.
If we do keep on getting issues, I'll definitely be looking into a better server. Due to cost reasons, I'm a little hesitant about that. I also feel a little wary about asking you guys to donate when I'm not sure what's going on at onemanga.com- if the old forums comes back up and zabi is alive, then that is something we'd want to consider.
Regardless, if we don't hear things about OM soon and we keep on having issues, I'll get a better server and open up donations.
Sorry about all this, guys. I know that this is annoying, but we'll get it sorted out.
Posted by Furinji Saiga on 28 August 2013 - 05:02 AM
I guess this pic that was posted earlier is indeed appropriate.
cred to Marcelle
Posted by Damanos on 22 May 2013 - 04:55 AM
Looks like Kishi saw people complaining that the Tobito reveal was the worst chapter ever.
So he was like "Hahaha, **** you. You think that's the worst I can do? Watch this."
This is just hilarious at this point.
Posted by Relinquisher on 22 May 2013 - 04:52 AM
Remember this moment everyone
Its the moment naruto became a complete joke
Remember sasukes character? nah throw that out the window
Remember naruto and sasukes fight to the death? apparently thats a friendly fight now, at some point
Remember how you thought the kage would be cool? nope, invent some random BS seal and trap the 10 tails in one panel
Remember how the 4th was supposed to have cool techniques? Nope, more kyuubi chakara
Remember how hinata was pretty much set up as being with naruto? Kishi says **** you and your shipping, relationships are a lie
so yeah safe to say im disappointed with this chapter <.<
Posted by Damanos on 27 November 2013 - 12:27 AM
"I'M ABSORBING YOUR ABSORPTION BY ABSORBING YOUR CHAKRA WITH MY CHAKRA BEFORE YOU CAN ABSORB THAT CHAKRA MADARA"
Posted by ArSoNiSt JoE on 19 September 2013 - 01:49 PM
Aight folks, the point of this thread is simple. Just record yourself saying something and link to it (Or embed it if it's a Youtube clip), let the rest of OMF hear what you sound like. I fully expect to hear some interesting voices and accents (That could lead to some eargasms) given how incredibly diverse the lovely members of OMF are
I strongly suggest using http://vocaroo.com/ to record your voice. It's an online voice recorder that is nice and fast, and you don't have to worry about uploading media files (mp3s,wavs) or anything. When you're done recording it generates a link that you can share to others that you wish to hear what you said. It's pretty convenient and easy to use.
Of course you could use whatever software you like to record your voice, just be sure to upload finished product and link to it for easy access for the rest of us.
Now this may sound weird coming from me of all people, but all OMF rules apply to this thread as well...and should be respected...so don't get any bright ideas
-No sexual references
-No racial slurs, name calling etc.
Beyond what's specified above, you can feel free to say...anything really. You can sing, rap, read poetry, do sound effects or just talk. Just have fun and be yourself
Alright, I think that should do for an intro Now I'll get the ball rolling
Posted by MAX_COLA_POWER! on 10 September 2013 - 03:11 AM
So the final boss of the Naruto series, a flower dedicated to Rin by the bitter half-tree virgin. Before you go bashing Obito again, this actually is a nice move. It'll be more symbolic when it gets knocked down, since Naruto, most likely, will do something Obito could never do to Rin, deflower someone...ZING!
Posted by Tainted Gene on 11 July 2013 - 12:29 PM
Posted by PlasmaWolf on 02 July 2013 - 02:40 PM
This post is quite lengthy and actually contains two individual, yet major theories, but both of them are connected to the glaring and longstanding threat of Juhabach and his Vandenreich organization. The first theory appertains to what one could call the "deficiency" of Bankai, and why many of them have yet to be seen, especially from some of the more "top-tier" characters in the manga. The second theory centers around Ginjou specifically, who he was, and what role he portrayed in the story. Whenever possible, I'm going to include translations from Ju-Ni, as they tend to be the most accurate. Anyway, chapter 363 is where I'll begin.
Upon intervening in Shunsui's fight against Starrk, Ukitake mentions Shunsui's lack of intent to use Bankai, then remarks that Shunsui's Bankai isn't something that should be used with so many people around (MS has "not something to use out in the open like this"). Shunsui responds with a facial expression signaling an affirmation of Ukitake's words, that despite his earlier claim of being prepared to use Bankai, it really shouldn't be used "with so many people around." Thus, a bit of hype and full of mystery, but I think there's a lot more to what Ukitake stated.
Is Shunsui's Bankai capable of affecting such a vast area of space that even the other Shinigami spread-out far across FKT would have been harmed by it? I don't think so (no one knows, obviously), at least not based on that scene. The only Shinigami who appeared to be anywhere close in proximity to their location was Yamamoto, but if there's anyone who has likely seen Shunsui's Bankai and would be capable of handling its ability, surely, Yamamoto should be that person.
That exchange between Shunsui and Ukitake was a bit weird, because if "so many people around" was the determining factor for not using it, why not just move, or warn your allies? If Shunsui's reaction was indicative that he understood it was too dangerous to use out in the open, what was the point of Ukitake even citing it? I believe it served as an underlying foreshadowing of future events, an inevitability for which Kubo (and the readers) could revisit that scene with greater lucidity.
I think the context of Ukitake's words in that situation had absolutely nothing to do with a "friendly-fire" drawback, but the looming (and known) threat of Juhabach and the Vandenreich. There has been a substantial amount of evidence since the final arc got underway supporting the possibility that Juhabach and/or the Vandenreich had been monitoring the entire Winter War:
1) In chapter 511, Juhabach states that he "knew all about" (BadKarma states "Know all about it") Yamamoto's stubbornness in having to rely on a human (the very panel of Yamamoto ordering Ichigo to fall back from chapter 393 is even emphasized). Juhabach deliberately refers to the battle between Yamamoto and Aizen, but how would he have known what occurred in such detail?
2) In the top-right panel from the same page of chapter 511, Juhabach claims that if Yamamoto had ordered Orihime to restore his missing arm, she would have done it. How exactly does Juhabach know about Orihime's powers, and that she would have been able to reconstruct Yamamoto's lost arm?
3) The recurring basis of the Vandenreich's "daten," as referenced by Kirge and Äs Nödt.
The means to achieve the goal of information-gathering regarding the enemy wouldn't have been difficult for the Vandenreich to pull-off. After all, that Schatten Beirech ("shadow region") ability allowed even the mooks to invade Soul Society, right into Yamamoto's personal office without being detected until they offed some fodder to get his attention. Juhabach/Royd suddenly appeared out of nowhere in chapter 493, already inside the Shakonmaku (spiritual barrier surrounding Seireitei) before any of the Shinigami could comprehend what had just occurred. I don't think it would have been too inexplicable for the Vandenreich to have spectated the entirety of the Winter War battles, especially when almost everyone on the battlefield was preoccupied, anyway.
As for the Vandenreich being able to accumulate all of the aforementioned knowledge, the targets were placed in certain circumstances wherein they could easily be spied upon: the last databook confirmed that Orihime was brought to FKT by the Tres Bestias in order to heal Harribel's wounds; Orihime also used her powers within Las Noches, and atop the dome (she even restored Uryu's amputated hand). Renji hadn't used his Bankai (on-screen) since the Szayel fight (meaning, before the time-skip), which he still had activated after the "special room" exploded.
Conveniently, Ryuken didn't appear at all during the Winter War conflict, despite the fact that Isshin had arrived to battle Aizen, even though Kubo confirmed during one of the pre-final arc omakes that Isshin didn't go with Urahara to Soul Society to complete the Reiatsu sword, because "certain things would be revealed to the Shinigami of the Gotei 13. [sic]" Isshin, who we now know randomly fled Soul Society without a trace (because of the Masaki/White ordeal), had also been in hiding to the point where he couldn't reveal his identity/existence to the Gotei 13, yet took a risk, anyway.
Meanwhile, the Quincy who's openly aided Shinigami in the past (contrary to his claims/the implications that he despises Shinigami) is nowhere to be seen? I may be the only one who holds this line of thought, but it's almost too coincidental and suspicious for Ryuken to have not emerged, even when Urahara's group was the only remaining challenge to Aizen. Simply put, I think Ryuken was intentionally kept as far away from the battlefield as possible given the risk of him being identified by the Vandenreich (who don't appear to realize he exists, or Juhabach doesn't believe it's information worth sharing).
The Vandenreich having used "surveillance" during the Winter War would also serve as a perfect explanation for why Shunsui, Ukitake, Yamamoto, Aizen, Urahara, Yoruichi*, Isshin, etc. ALL refrained from using Bankai, even when it became a matter of life or death: they simply couldn't risk the Vandenreich seeing what their Bankai were capable of, as it would only further empower Juhabach down the road. Yamamoto even reinforces this very notion during chapter 509; he hypothesizes that because he never displayed the full power of his Bankai 1,000 years prior, Juhabach (Royd) couldn't steal it.
*Yoruichi, especially, is an infamous and key example for never having used Bankai or even displaying her Zanpakuto in combat. It's been widely speculated by the readers that the sword shown in the background of this page, was, in fact, her Zanpakuto. It would make sense for Yoruichi not to use her Zanpakuto if her preference is unarmed, close-range combat, but even so, why store it away (assuming it's her Zanpakuto) in a secretive, underground hideout? Again, it's rather dubious even excluding whatever combat predilection Yoruichi holds.
In regard to the other Captains who did or didn't display Bankai, there is a reasonable answer for why. Chapter 532 leaves open the possibility for a Shinigami to be rendered incapable of using Bankai if their body is injured too much. That was a slash from Aizen roughly twenty years ago; the Aizen who dealt this strikingly similar wound onto Shinji was considerably much stronger. Rose and Love were stuck in a situation much the same as Shinji. Of the four Visored Captains, however, only one wasn't damaged to the point of being unable to use Bankai (Kensei), and he ended up using Bankai.
Of course, all of this insinuates that Juhabach and the Vandenreich were utterly expected to show-up at some point, which there is also plenty of proof to back-up:
1) In chapter 488, Mayuri confirms the enemy as being an group of Quincies... and not a single Captain is shocked or surprised (Mayuri even states that it should be plain enough to realize). It's important to note that the Quincies were believed to have been wiped-out by the Shinigami around 200 years ago, with the obvious exception of Uryu; and yet, Shunsui, Ukitake and Unohana, in particular look as if they've known all along the Quincies would re-emerge as a threat.
2) Mayuri not only knew of Juhabach's existence, but a very intimate detail that Yamamoto "failed" to kill him. It's not meant to belittle Mayuri's intelligence, but if he knew about what occurred 1,000 years ago, then it shouldn't be too unusual to find out that Shunsui, Ukitake, Unohana and others have all known about it, as well. In spite of Mayuri's words, the expression on Yamamoto's face is clearly one of guilt: perhaps it was in the back of his mind, but he was well-aware that Juhabach was likely to return as a danger.
3) In chapter 537, the reader learns about the Auswählen/Ausscheren ("Selection"/"Holy Selection" in most translations) and an old legend detailing a Quincy King who had been sealed. It would take 999 years for the King to regain his heart, mind, and power. This was told from the perspective of Isshin, who almost undoubtedly shared it with Urahara and Ryuken if not outright being told of it by either of them, in the first place. So, from the very onset of the series, Urahara, Isshin and Ryuken were more than likely aware that Juhabach was already in the process of fully regaining his strength (as Masaki and Katagiri were stripped of their powers and killed six years, earlier).
4) Urahara and Aizen are usually the first characters to know practically everything that ends up taking place in the story. In chapter 224, Urahara tells Renji that his (Urahara's) Bankai isn't capable of training others or lending power. I think that was obvious hype on Kubo's part, but ultimately a ruse to distract from the Vandenreich dilemma without actually having to acknowledge it for several more years. Urahara just made up an excuse to get out of demonstrating his Bankai, because using it would be too perilous with Juhabach amassing knowledge and power.
5) In chapter 45, Rukia mentions to Ichigo (after learning from Urahara) that all of the surviving Quincies hate Shinigami, yet that would go beyond Uryu or Ryuken. So, who was Urahara referring to? Uryu eventually remembers Soken's desire for the two races to work together and realizes he doesn't hate the Shinigami. Ryuken became close friends with a Shinigami over twenty years, deliberately chose to restore Uryu's powers with the expectation that he would then assist the Shinigami, and his "genuine" rejection of the Quincy lifestyle was more plausibly a result of Juhabach's actions rather than anything specific done by the Shinigami.
The second theory (or rather, the second part of the general theory) pertains to Ginjou. I used to think there was a great possibility that Ginjou is part-Quincy, but after much thought, I am pretty much convinced of it. Ginjou is definitely part-Quincy, with a large quantity of evidence illustrating how subtle, yet apparent, it was.
Disclaimer: The Ginjou fanboy runs strong within me, take with a grain of salt~
1) Ginjou never experienced a soul suicide.
In chapter 433, Ginjou ultimately summarizes the power of Fullbring as being antithetical to that of a Shinigami/Human hybrid (Cnet and Molokidan offer more clarity), but it wouldn't make any sense in retrospect of Urahara's "soul suicide" speech (as Human and Hollow souls balance each other out, while the opposite of a Shinigami soul is a Quincy soul). Therefore, according to what the readers have been made privy to since then, Ginjou would have only been accurate if he explained that a Shinigami/Quincy hybrid would be required for the Fullbringers to pass along their powers.
On that same page from chapter 433, Ginjou claims there was another person born from a Shinigami/Human hybrid aside from Ichigo. Now, while Ginjou was under the influence of Book of the End at the time, I don't see why he would lie when the only benefit would be to better sell his story to Ichigo, the latter of whom was already mostly sold, anyway.
I don't believe Ginjou was lying, nor being wholly honest, but admitting a "half-truth" about his own heritage. I can't find the exact link (maybe someone else is able to), but Kubo provided an interview at the 2012 Jump Festa where he described that Ginjou was conceived as a direct parallel to Ichigo: a similarly-styled name (kanji), power, and character design all acting as a purposeful contrast to the Strawberry.
However, Ginjou was, at the very least, a Human/Hollow hybrid in light of his Fullbring power, but we also know he was given a Shinigami badge (which signified that he was permitted by the Gotei 13 to fight in the Material World). It's never been explained how Ginjou managed to acquire Shinigami powers in the first place (even Soifon's claim doesn't fully add-up), but there is one very logical answer which Kubo might expected the readers would gloss-over: that he was actually being candid about himself - even if only slightly - when he affirmed the existence of another Shinigami/Human offspring.
So, a Human/Shinigami/Hollow succeeded in surviving for that long without exploding? I find that hard to believe. I can already foresee some of the responses... "The soul-balancing dilemma was only a counter to Hollowfication..." says one reply. That is true, but Ginjou described his own unique makeup quite succinctly: he already possessed the DNA of a Hollow, as it was originally passed on from childbirth after one of his parents was attacked by said Hollow. If he was the person born of a Shinigami/Hollow, he would have eventually died just from having a "tainted" soul.
I can imagine another type of reply... "How come the other Fullbringers didn't experience a soul suicide, then?" In a nutshell, the other Fullbringers were never in danger of a soul suicide as they possessed equally-balanced souls (Human and Hollow). Yes, the other Fullbringers did receive a sizable portion of Ichigo's Fullbring which was stated to have merged with his latent Shinigami power, but we don't have an iota of proof that Ginjou's transferring of Ichigo's Fullbring attached the properties of a Shinigami's soul onto the Fullbringers.
2) Ginjou's peculiar Fullbring "absorption" ability. No, that is not to say Ukitake, Yumichika, or any other character with an "absorption-style" ability is automatically part-Quincy, but Ginjou's power was noticeably distinctive. Ginjou demonstrated the skill to take another person's power while adding it onto his own, which even altered his appearance and combat abilities. If I recall correctly, there has been only one other instance in the manga where a similar sequence of events was exemplified, when Kirge used Sklaverei to absorb Ayon altogether, not only strengthening his overall power but subsequently transforming his entire apparition.
3) The brief exchange between Isshin and Urahara in chapter 474. Isshin assumed Urahara was heading-out to join the fray, but Urahara responded with his usual humorous and nonchalant attitude by telling Isshin the fighting was practically finished, and by labeling Isshin as "useless" for that situation. The scene is mostly played for laughs/comedic effect, but I felt there was an obvious underlying predicament that the two of them wanted to avoid, although neither of them confirmed what it was.
Isshin was instantly (and understandably) bemused by Urahara's choice of "useless" (even thinking of the word to himself for added effect), and seemed to try and validate Urahara's decision by claiming if they didn't help Ichigo with his battle... "he would learn the truth" from Ginjou (Urahara finishes the sentence for Isshin, but it's essentially indicative of how synchronized their mentalities were). As he exits the shop, Urahara informs Isshin that it's okay, as Ichigo "would have learned, anyway..." which Isshin appears to corroborate with an emphatic facial expression.
So, what topic were the two discussing ostensibly over the heads of the readers? The "surveillance" program involving the Shinigami badge? Perhaps that's what Kubo wanted to convey, but I don't think that was it, at all. Chapter 474 was entitled "beLIEve," deliberately styled in a format highlighting the "lie" portion of the word "believe." The "lie" featured in the chapter was seemingly what Ukitake had initially told Ichigo about the purpose of the Shinigami badge. Although, it is eventually revealed in the following chapter that it was never exactly a "lie" so much as Ginjou wanting Ichigo to believe it was.
However, underneath the title of chapter 474, the "Bleach" wording is right in-between Ichigo's recap of the previous chapter with the sentence, "The enemy that I should really be fighting?" The whole chapter had revolved around Ginjou attempting to mess with Ichigo's mind and turn him against Soul Society, while Urahara and Isshin contemplated the ramifications of their confrontation, but why would Isshin and Urahara care so much about the badge issue?
For a character such as Urahara who has his fingers in every development within the manga, the badge subplot was absolutely trivial for him to be involved with, likewise for Isshin. The role of Isshin throughout the story has been to act as a bridge between Ichigo and the Kurosaki/Shiba family lineage: Isshin is introduced into a particular quandary whenever the main subject is Ichigo's origin, to which the Shinigami badge has practically no correlation. The badge dilemma was about underscoring elements of trust and willpower, which had nothing to do with Ichigo's ancestry, but everything to do with Ginjou's (which I'll touch on, later).
So, the very first line of dialogue after the title illustration was Ichigo repeating what Ginjou had uttered at the end of the previous chapter, that there was another enemy whom deserved Ichigo's undivided attention. The so-called "lie" (Ginjou's words) about the badge unfortunately overshadowed the real lie, which was who Ichigo needed to oppose; not the Shinigami, but their counterparts, the Quincies (who, in hindsight, were already preparing for a showdown with Soul Society, apparently for quite a while).
Therefore, it does come across as a bit more logical that Isshin would be worried about Ginjou spilling the beans to Ichigo regarding his Quincy lineage, as that was ultimately Isshin's "specialty" in relation to the plot (which he wouldn't deliver on for another 54 chapters). In other words, what Urahara stated to Isshin about him being "useless" as the fighting had almost ceased was precise: Isshin was of no use in terms of combat strength, as his significance would come at a later time (when Ichigo verily needed to hear about his family's history).
4) The blatantly expedient timing of Ginjou's introduction into the manga and the aftermath of his death. In chapter 424 (the start of the Fullbringer arc), it is stated that Ichigo is in his third year of high school (Japanese high schools only have three years), while the school year, itself, usually begins in April. We've recently learned that the final arc takes place in the middle of June, meaning from the beginning of the Fullbringer arc up until the current point in the manga, no more than two-and-a-half months have passed.
So, Ginjou just magically appears to target Ichigo after all that time, and shortly after his death, the Quincies spring right into action? It seems way to fortuitous even for a shounen manga. And I'm not referring to Ginjou showing-up out of nowhere after a 17-month time-skip, but becoming a prominent figure only a couple of months before the "final conflict" arises and the manga delves into its final story arc.
Alright, moving onto Ginjou's stated objective...
In chapter 476, Ginjou says (via inner-monologue, suggesting it's less-likely to be a fallacy) he wanted to exterminate the Shinigami who he felt had betrayed him. For the sake of things, assuming Ginjou was being forthright, what exactly was the betrayal he spoke of? The "official" story appeared to be that Ginjou killed a bunch of people, stole Shinigami powers and ran-off. Ginjou's version seemed to imply that whatever nefarious actions he carried-out against Soul Society, they were done as a part of that "goal" to wipe-out the Shinigami who he believed had deceived him. It's almost akin to the "chicken or the egg" causality dilemma where the reader isn't aware of which reasoning was a product of the other.
In chapter 476, Hitsugaya explains that a "majority" of the Captains agreed on a plan to learn about Ginjou's whereabouts by using another substitute Shinigami to "smoke" him out, thereafter killing both Ginjou and the other substitute. The implication from Hitsugaya in that chapter as well as in chapter 461 was that Ginjou first appeared as the "original" substitute Shinigami long before Ichigo did, but the timeline is completely unknown and left up to the reader's speculation; nevertheless, the reader is left with two opposing versions of what really happened, perhaps even more if the possibility that both sides were correct is taken into consideration.
Anyway, one of the most ridiculous lines uttered by a character in this series was Riruka's now-infamous remark that Ichigo had "saved" Ginjou... by killing him. I don't know how you would go about "saving" someone by killing them in the heat of battle, but I did give it more thought. There are animal owners who would sooner put a beloved pet "to sleep" than see it suffer in pain; I'm not saying Ginjou was a pet (not a literal one, anyway), but the only rational conclusion I could garner from that scene was Ginjou turned out to be a miserable person deep down (because of his past), and needed "rescuing" from someone.
So, Ginjou the Quincy. I didn't forget about that, but it would re-enter the fold around this point. In chapter 537, Isshin stated that Juhabach's blood flowed within all Quincies, which would certainly encompass Ginjou, presuming he was a Quincy. Ginjou would have been as much of a "ticking time-bomb" as any other Quincy whose powers could literally be sucked right out of their bodies at any given moment... potentially leaving them permanently damaged, or dead. It's no secret how Juhabach treats his minions; he outright treats them like tools, discarding them to a painful death once he's through.
Juhabach's "finger explosion" ability deserves a quick dissection, though.
There have been three occasions when Juhabach pointed his finger towards one of his lackeys, thereupon causing them to explode. The first two were Luders and Ebern in chapter 485, while the third was Royd in chapter 510. The distinction between the first two instances appeared to be that their bodies literally erupted, spattering blood and body parts everywhere for the poor Vandenreich janitors to later clean up. In the case of Royd, that was closer to an actual vaporizing, where most of his body was flat-out disintegrated sans his legs/feet.
I don't think Juhabach was using a special ability of his, per se, but wittingly forcing a soul suicide onto Luders and Ebern (although, technically it would be more along the lines of a soul homicide). *rimshot*
So far as we know, Ebern was one of many Arrancar/Quincy hybrids, leaving him and the others with an unstable soul structure from the onset of their "creation." The soul suicides of White and Tosen (in retrospect) appeared very analogous to the end result of Ebern and Luders' blowups. In any case, I perceive Ginjou as having been caught in sort of a "catch-22" situation, where he was damned for doing basically anything, and whose fate involved a forced death at some point in the future (not identical to the others, but close enough for a possible juxtaposition).
It's therefore my interpretation that Riruka's "Ichigo saved him" comment was an indirect reference to Juhabach, as Ginjou was no longer a slave, nor a pawn, nor alone (despite already assimilating with the Shinigami based on the kimono he was wearing on the second page, Ginjou feeling "alone" is even more odd). If I had to guess, I'd say the very reason Ginjou became acquainted with the Gotei 13 in the first place was out of an obligation to Juhabach/the Vandenreich (in which he didn't have much of a say).
I don't like to use this word too much in such a setting because it's not exactly befitting for a complex character like Ginjou but I think Ginjou was, perhaps, a "spy" for the Vandenreich. As I've posted before, Soifon claimed that Ginjou was a murderer who stole Shinigami powers, but from his "friendly" portrayal until his villainous reveal, Ginjou didn't appear to actually have Shinigami powers (at least, not until he merged his Fullbring with his Shinigami badge). If (assuming what Soifon said is true) Ginjou did steal Shinigami powers, what did he wind up doing with them? Also, did he provide the Vandenreich with material and/or information relating to the Gotei 13?
I ask these questions because of Ginjou's final words before his death:
"Ichigo... If you had become a substitute Shinigami before me... would our point of view be the opposite now? Would you have become... like me? Say, Ichigo... If we had been the opposite... In that case, we would--"
"We would" what? I suppose the surtext was meant to signify how Ginjou didn't trust the Gotei 13 enough while Ichigo did, which is perhaps symbolic of how the two ended up the way they did. I disagree, and feel Ginjou was alluding to his entire purpose in life, as a mere puppet and conglomeration of various souls (identical to Ichigo), but one who was rejected time and time again, because every group treated him like a pawn. Ginjou's final aim as described struck me as bizarre, too...
In chapter 475, Ginjou told Ichigo he didn't want to kill him (anyone's guess if he was being truthful), but assuming Ichigo even did end-up turning against Soul Society and joined Ginjou's side, what next for Ginjou? I wonder, was he seriously considering taking on the entire Gotei 13? He wouldn't have stood a chance, even with Ichigo and/or the other Fullbringers fighting alongside him. So, to match an army, one must join an army... and part of Ginjou's objective was to make sure Ichigo distrusted Soul Society to the point where he would no longer align with them.
If Ginjou had been successful in "turning" Ichigo, there would have been a place for Ichigo to return to (i.e. the Ice Palace/the Vandenreich), but ultimately I think Ginjou would have been another lamb for the slaughter. Ginjou appeared to have been the precursor to Juhabach, which might sound bewildering, but given the relatively small amount of time that had passed in-between the Fullbringer and final arcs (in-universe), I'd say it's very likely. Anyway, that's about it, looking forward to thoughts and/or criticisms.
Posted by Deathkingdome on 29 May 2013 - 03:52 AM
No Sakura you can´t catch up to Naruto and Sasuke.
Posted by Damanos on 04 December 2013 - 12:56 AM
Mask is the best Stern Ritter. Fact.
Posted by alekos23 on 06 November 2013 - 03:46 PM
credit to Mist Puppet in NF
Posted by azer_moli on 01 October 2013 - 02:46 PM
I felt like taking a pic yesterday, so I might as well share it ^^
Posted by Danny on 07 October 2013 - 05:19 PM
The adventures of Zolo
Posted by alekos23 on 05 October 2013 - 04:21 AM
Posted by clydu91 on 27 September 2013 - 09:26 AM
Special delivery from NF :
Posted by Furinji Saiga on 04 September 2013 - 05:48 AM
it seems this is most appropriate
Lucy X Barty confirmed
Poor Godpachi, it seems GOda has forsaken your BartyXCavy ship to it's doom.
Miss Coquine is gonna have a field day with this chapter.