Conceded on both A and B. They are facts and I do not deny them. However, I still feel that a preference for one outcome encourages elitism. I never said that elitism was avoidable. Even if people are not given public recognition, they will feel some kind of entitlement as a contributor. What I and apparently some others want to do is minimize a feeling of elitism, not just a practice of it.
I do not feel that I have demonized what you have said except when I called you an elitist. I expressed what I saw as potential consequences of your suggestion. Since the consequences are largely negative, I assumed that you had not thought it through. Your suggestion seemed careless, not made with ill will.
It is easy to feel attacked as a person when your ideas are attacked, but I do not mean you attack you. I am on the side of consideration and am the devil's advocate. No idea should go without criticism. Even when I called you an elitist, it was to demonstrate why elitism would exist even with counter-measures in place. I did not intend to belittle you personally.
There does not exist a measure to control everyone. The first measure lowers the desire to act elitist, however a feeling born of a feeling can be born of several things. Envy, for one. It is not possible to remove these feelings entirely. As for how to mitigate them, that works by removing an environment where they're lorded over people by those that have them.
The thing is, sir, OMF is essentially run for the users(as they have the vast majority of activity here as oppose to the staff). Contributions would be the nice thing to do, because then we are at least partially paying for our own play pen. To note, paying for is not running, so I'm not implying that they deserve a grand sense of entitlement.
Anyways, the issue is dealing with peoples feelings. An environment would exist where people are punished for acting superior - in other words they don't have the same entitlement to bragging. However, nothing can be done honestly about a system that garners envy - and I don't think one should be implemented. Why? Because people are giving money to a free service that they don't have to give money toward and their reward is an aesthetic. If people feel inferior(because this is less of a thing about those people being superior, if we're talking about feelings it's more times then not going to be a feeling of inferiority), that should be handled on a case by case thing.
If I'm being honest, once punishment exists for those that want to brag and act superior, there is no longer a reason or an environment for those feelings to exist within. They will, I'm not saying they won't, what I'm saying is "these people offered their money, and that is a hard thing to come by. I've lived off of vending machines back when one dollar was a treasure, it meant I ate that day. Suck it up." And yes, that's harsh, but it's not elitism. If a system is created that punishes those that feel superior, then the only ones creating that divide are those that feel inferior and yes, they should suck it up.
I'm against rewards for donations. I doubt Greg would do that eitherway. Would it be so hard to give some money for sth every one of us enjoys in one way or the other and not getting something in return despite that you can enjoy the page?
I'm not saying that people need to spend money on here of course, but if they decide to do then it shouldn't be with the intention to gain sth but because they simply care for this community.
Besides, I could see people bragging with their reward for donating, I don't say it will happen or get bad but just because the possibility is there I think it's better to avoid it from the start.
Rewards like a CT should be earned and not be simply paid for.
The old system including such things as people saying someone should get one, and that could/was easily abused by people getting friends to recommend them. So it was a system of popularity. Sure, there were other ways, I'm not denying that. But you're saying people giving honest to god hard earned cash and getting an aesthetic award is bad compared to getting an aesthetic award through popularity.