"You and I are not in disagreement. Machabees did not acknowledge that volunteering as a meal is suicide and you appeared to be coming to his defense on it. That's why I was confused."
yep, i find too he's making confusion between causes and solution chosen
to schematize it:
cause/ploblem --> desire to solve it
cause/problem ---(solution choosen)--> aim to solve the problem
solution choosen --> aim to fulfil the solution
as i'm understanding it the derise of death is the converted stress arising from the cause/problem
the conversion can happen thanks to the choice of killing oneself as solution
we all agree once given a problem the aim is to try to solve it
if one wants to add the concept of desire of death into it, then it's more into the solution choosen, than into the causes/problems
the choice of killing oneself as solution is like a door, if you keep it shut it won't matter the ammount of stress/problems you're facing, you'll have all the time to try to deal with them, and eventually solving them (and being still alive to enjoy the lack of problems)
"Here in America you could have your family go into poverty and debt trying to get cured and still die."
that's one downside of private health care, in other nations that's not an issue (or it's not an issue of the family alone)
i've heard the courage argument before, it can work both ways, it's like martyrdom, it's an interpretation/glorification of someone who died for any reason approved individually by the one interpreting
"I think that not just finding a person to talk to - but the Right person to talk to - whether that be a friend or a professional - is what most of them need - and sometimes the professionals are not worth it and just finding the right person or persons somewhere - and I mean face to face talking not online - is the best cure. ( and I am not talking romantic or anthing else just someone they can be honest with and who can deal with that )"
totally agree on that part, coming out of depression alone is a very hard feat (and very risky if it doesn't goes well)
just got an other example, what would you guys think of a sick person of an uncurable(or hardly curable) deadly disease who choose to don't cure themself and just let the disease go on until they die?
would it be suicide?
if suicide, to be more specific, would it be suicidal suicide or unsuicidal suicide?
i'm on the fence about it, given the intention is always an important part
the disease being deadly or likely deadly may even make it not a suicide
but if it's a suicide i'm more for it being an unsuicidal suicide, cause the aim is not having to do all the cures, if the aim was killing oneself they would do it and not wait for the disease to continue
unless they're sort of twisted and their aim is dieing And doing it slowly, in that case it's suicidal suicide
if the deadliness of the disease is so focal, what about same thing with an undeadly disease?
on this one i'm more to think it's suicide
Edited by Zeando, 20 May 2013 - 06:27 AM.