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#361 Srki

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 02:08 PM

So how does Magneto beat Hulk?

As per usual comic version is much more bullshit.

By ripping his molecules apart. Or throwing him into sun. Or some other fun stuff.

When did you last read it?
The main cast (Komatsu and Rin not counted) and those relevant to this point of the story (around 40, 50 characters) can all lift thousands of tons easily. No, actually tens or even hundreds of thousands of tons.
 
I know. The thing is, there are also a good number of characters in Marvel who can't do that, like Wolverine or CA as you said. So I was talking about the average, common ground. Of course, since I'm noob at comics maybe there are more 100-ish dudes than I know that would compensate for the more human characters...it's just that from my newbie impression, in Marvel I can see a list of many 1-ton to 25-ton dudes that would lower the average while in Toriko, aside from comic relief and trivial characters, even at the start they are already at 20-30 ton tier. So physicality-wise it seems that Toriko universe, on average, is no pushover compared to Marvel at all.

Not really. Marvel has infinite amount of folks with infinite strength. So at average they are infinitely strong. Meaning that Toriko are indeed pushovers.

Welcome to magical world of "we tried to one up that other publisher for like fifty years".

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 02:13 PM


Then how does Goku survive in the vacuum of space?

He got saved, didn't he?


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 04:59 PM

Goku found a ginyu ship and left around the time of the planets explosion.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 05:09 PM

So movies do terribly wrong, eh? CA going toe to toe against God like Thor in Avengers...Hulk is beast in any film so that's consistent. Is Hulk stronger than most X-Men? Like Magneto or Jean Grey?

As mush a canon-only guy as I am, Marvel and DC are just too damn long (they start in 1960s or something?) to start reading now...and I just can't get into the style and art of western comics. Better watch movies. :(

 

 

that sounds kinda cool...

 

Actually no. Because the movies use a different universe from the comics (which have multiple universes in themselves...). So the movies and comics are pretty much 2 different things, just share the same characters, but not necessarily power levels.

 

And yeah Hulk is pretty hardcore, he is immune to telepathy after all in most cases afaik, and his strength is infinte. But like always Magneto also has very different power-levels (the movie magneto is pretty weak compared to some comic versions of him). So it all depends on which versions you pit against each other.

 

Oh yeah, Dragon Ball. Forgot that one. Goku can beat Superman, can't he?

 

Well no Goku is actually quite inferior to Superman

 

Actually, comparing the highest ceilings, indeed all, except DB, manga loses to Marvel but it's not like everyone in Marvel is that OP. Many in Toriko can take down Captain America, I think. At least physicality-wise Toriko is quite on par with Marvel, even better because 100 tons in Toriko is pretty trivial matter. Ability-wise...yeah, not as good.

 

Toriko is no where near Marvel, power wise (also not strength wise).


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 09:42 PM

Fight Ideas I came up after some thought.

 

 

Kirby vs Mario ( it was something that was brought up in the past as a tag team fight so I wanted to go with one on one )

 

 

Scarlet Witch vs Klarion the Witch Boy or Zatanna

 

Kenshin vs Wrath ( FMA Brotherhood )

 

Spider - Man vs Deathstroke / Slade



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:05 AM


Not really. Marvel has infinite amount of folks with infinite strength

That does not really explain regarding my post.

 

 


Toriko is no where near Marvel, power wise (also not strength wise).

How is it not physicality-wise?


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 05:54 AM

That does not really explain regarding my post.

It does. At average they are infinitely strong because of it. As such, they are infinitely stronger than Toriko on average.

Which means that Toriko is nowhere near being "on par" with Marvel.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 06:12 AM

It does. At average they are infinitely strong because of it. As such, they are infinitely stronger than Toriko on average.

Which means that Toriko is nowhere near being "on par" with Marvel.

It doesn't. This is not pure mathematical sense...


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 06:26 AM

It doesn't. This is not pure mathematical sense...

It does. It is.

I don't understand why are you trying to argue this.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 06:47 AM

It does. It is.

I don't understand why are you trying to argue this.

It's not. Does not make any sense to me.


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 06:58 AM

It's not.

Does not make any sense to me.

These two are not related. Just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean that it is not true.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 08:22 AM

That does not really explain regarding my post.

 

 

 

 

How is it not physicality-wise?

 

Well for once. Hulk could solo the whole Toriko-verse on his own. And then there is also Thor, Ironman (depending on his suit his physical powers are out of this world, he has a Hulk-Buster suit after all), Thanos, Apocalypse, Ares, Galactus, Red Hulk, She-Hulk, Red She-Hulk, Skaar, Wonder Man, Surtur, The Sentry

 

and probably some more^^


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 08:45 AM

Well for once. Hulk could solo the whole Toriko-verse on his own. And then there is also Thor, Ironman (depending on his suit his physical powers are out of this world, he has a Hulk-Buster suit after all), Thanos, Apocalypse, Ares, Galactus, Red Hulk, She-Hulk, Red She-Hulk, Skaar, Wonder Man, Surtur, The Sentry

 

and probably some more^^

Yeah, but not all of them and they are not more than half the Marvel universe?


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 09:16 AM

Earth 616 is just one planet. People that you are referring to are so utterly insignificant that it is literally impossible to describe it in English.

 

And even there you have number of fighters who are so powerful that you can could add 6 billion normals in the mix and still have average be more than enough to casually solo Toriko without even trying.

You simply lack sense of scale here.


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 09:51 AM

Earth 616 is just one planet. People that you are referring to are so utterly insignificant that it is literally impossible to describe it in English.

 

And even there you have number of fighters who are so powerful that you can could add 6 billion normals in the mix and still have average be more than enough to casually solo Toriko without even trying.

You simply lack sense of scale here.

that's why I said it was not mathematical sense average.


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 10:25 AM

Yeah, but not all of them and they are not more than half the Marvel universe?

 

what do you mean by not all of them? All of the ones I listed are for sure physically stronger than all Toriko characters and a lot of them also have other skills that put them above Toriko-verse power level.

 

And they are only a small portion of the Marvel Multiverse of course, but why does that matter?


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 10:34 AM

what do you mean by not all of them? All of the ones I listed are for sure physically stronger than all Toriko characters and a lot of them also have other skills that put them above Toriko-verse power level.

 

And they are only a small portion of the Marvel Multiverse of course, but why does that matter?

I mean not all Marvel fighters are at that level.


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 10:56 AM

@Raiden - ONSLUAGHT!!!!!


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 11:56 AM

I mean not all Marvel fighters are at that level.

 

Of course not^^ But one of these few is enough to take on every Toriko character, so how does that matter? And the ones who aren't physical stronger can either mind rape them or reality warp. Or melt the mwith some kind of special energy ray/bomb/field or any other hax power. ^^

 

@ of course o.o How could I forget about HIM!? Yeah he is so hax xD


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 01:14 PM

@Raiden

Would hope summer aka mutant Jesus be capable of taking most of toriko cast

juggernaut colossus I think could do the job though I do not know much about toriko?


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