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#261 azer_moli

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Posted 30 November 2016 - 01:13 PM

I was under the impression that the Socialists were preparing to wash their hands of Hollande, given his unpopularity. That said, do the Socialists as whole not carry any traditional incumbent advantage going into 2017? 

 

What sort of impact has Trump's election had on French politics? Has it made French people wary in transforming their growing populist sentiment into political change, or are they becoming more receptive to the National Front?

 

 

Today, I read an article saying that Hollande had all the cards in hand to be the candidate for the Socialist Party. In a way, in the last couple of months, there were less unemployed people and Hollande has made some good cultural moves. And to be fair, there's no one to really go after him. Some names are coming up, but for now, it's quite vague... 

 

So far, not much. Most of them are waiting to see what will come out of it. Only Marine Le Pen was really happy about it. I haven't seen any change so far that would make people vote for Marine Le Pen because Trump won in the US. 

 

The whole thing about Fillon being the Right wing candidate was a big pile of bullshit: anyone was able to vote for electing the candidate of the right wing. Anyone. Whether you were a member of the Républicains (right wing party), of the Parti Socialist or even a communist. People voted to eliminate Sarkozy. And then Juppé was eliminated despite having the support of most of the young people because he did some bad things in the past. 

 

Now, onto Fillon himself, let me give you some examples for his program (I'm taking that from the official website):

- Suppressing the tax on big fortunes

- Going back to 39 hours of work a week instead of 35 for state employees only

- Adoption allowed only for heterosexual couples

- Thinking of having a uniform for students (I've seen in England that it's totally useless)

- Controlling abortion (won't be so easy to have the right to abort for a woman, which is totally a political thing to decide, you know)

- Making a European Treasure to put together all the debts of the E.U. countries once the Central European Bank can decide on a global economic strategy 

- Evaluate the universities depending on how well students get a job after their studies, and of course, deciding on how much money you give them depending on this evaluation (great for Humanities, isn't it?)

 

Now, of course, there are also a damn lot of good promises. I mean, he's to be elected after all. 

And I remember seeing worse things, but too lazy right now to go on reading through his whole program and I start to confuse everything, so I'll stop here. 

Honestly, it will be the same as Clinton/Trump: a choice between the plague and the cholera. In the end, no one who makes you want to really vote for them. 


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Posted 30 November 2016 - 11:22 PM

France is for worse in an extremely tight monetary union with Germany primarily. What is Fillon's plan to address the French high unemployment rate and low aggregate demand? How can he possibly push for serious reform if power is concentrated within the ECB?

 

- Making a European Treasure to put together all the debts of the E.U. countries once the Central European Bank can decide on a global economic strategy 

 

Just reading this makes me livid. Debt mutualization is a moral hazard monstrosity the likes of which would cripple Europe.


 

I really would like to sit down one day and engage with someone who will challenge my hard Euroscepticism on an economic and a civic government front. Too many Europeans in my circles are either Eurosceptics of various extents or pro-EU simply due to a vague, inexplicable notion of "promoting multiculturalism."

 

I would also like to understand the political mindset of Europeans when it comes to economic and national sovereignty. Perfectly understandable that the racist, xenophobic elements of the far-right antagonize the average tolerant Westerner. But have the long-ago regimes of Hitler and Mussolini truly traumatized Europe to the point of complete political aversion to any sort of regionalist, basic desire for total, unadulterated self-autonomy?

 

Maybe it's not relevant to me, as a born and raised American who will soon be a Canadian. But I would like to open my world.


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Posted 01 December 2016 - 05:30 AM

I really would like to sit down one day and engage with someone who will challenge my hard Euroscepticism on an economic and a civic government front. Too many Europeans in my circles are either Eurosceptics of various extents or pro-EU simply due to a vague, inexplicable notion of "promoting multiculturalism."

 

I would also like to understand the political mindset of Europeans when it comes to economic and national sovereignty. Perfectly understandable that the racist, xenophobic elements of the far-right antagonize the average tolerant Westerner. But have the long-ago regimes of Hitler and Mussolini truly traumatized Europe to the point of complete political aversion to any sort of regionalist, basic desire for total, unadulterated self-autonomy?

 

Maybe it's not relevant to me, as a born and raised American who will soon be a Canadian. But I would like to open my world.

 

I think a united EU has tangible benefits. Right now, we have 28 European countries (soon less) who are various sorts of, well, small. For instance, every European country right now runs its own military complete with its own Airforce and Navy (those with a shore), which costs way more money than it would if united, and is extremely overcomplex. Sure, you'd have some problems with a multilingual army, but it would be far easier to get to the NATO 2% (or more) if paying and organinizing it from a common ground. The same thing can be said about foreign policy - wouldn't Europe be stronger if it could act with its own voice? A fractured, regionalist Europe as you call it, would (as for example SE-Asia) only be a playball of superpowers, because their particular interests will always collide and can be abused easily. The EU barely found a united stance against Russia over Ukraine, where we should have had a much more concise position and strategy.  You can see, I want my EU as a superpower if possible ^^ This, of course, comes with a prize. In Germany for example, foreign policy is for a large part economic policy, and I highly doubt you could build an efficient political Union without a monetary union, and a monetary union without a fiscal and economical union. Since we want a common market anyway, that should follow from that direction too.

 

I need to stop here, but I can post more later.



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Posted 01 December 2016 - 04:34 PM

Apparently Hollande won't run for re election, which surpises me a great deal.  



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Posted 01 December 2016 - 05:17 PM

Apparently Hollande won't run for re election, which surpises me a great deal.  

 

Really? I haven't heard good things about that guy. :shrug:


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Posted 01 December 2016 - 05:43 PM

Really? I haven't heard good things about that guy. :shrug:

 

The thing is that he decided it for himself, he wasn't thrown out / overvoted or something. Which is a hard decision.






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