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#661 Ultrafragor

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 02:24 PM


Omaeda has no real talent for anything besides his shunpô.

Nanao is different, she has the interest and the talent for Kidô. If she could learn that much from a book, she could learn that much more from a proper instructor.

 

I don't understand how you think it's different. Omaeda and Nano would both be people with talent in only one shinigami art.

 


Because Shunsui held her back by never allowing her to fight, remember?

That probably wouldn't have happened had her transfer request gone through.

 

Based on the attitudes of other characters we have seen grow and progress, Nanao just isn't very well suited for fighting. 

 

It's not that she has a deficit of usable ability, her ideas of how to fight are just stupid. She has a suitable attitude, but doesn't have a good sense of how to apply her skills towards attacking an enemy. 

 

You could try to argue she would get better with experience, but if we look at the nakama, that doesn't seem to happen.


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 03:15 PM

I don't understand how you think it's different. Omaeda and Nano would both be people with talent in only one shinigami art.


So does Hacchi, but it didn't stop him from becoming a powerhouse Kidô practictioner. To a lesser extent, the same can be said of Hinamori, who was acknowledged as a master at Kidô by Kira and Hitsugaya.

In Nanao and Omaeda's case, you comparing one who has talent to someone who doesn't. Omaeda has had tutelage under Sui-Féng, yet by his own admission, shunpo is the only thing he's good at (i.e. running away). That's why he said he wished he was multi-talented like Shuuhei and the other lieutenants.

Nanao has a gift at Kidô, which Shunsui and Lisa both recognized, which is why they gave her books on the subject. Chances are, she might've been better off in the Kidô Corp. where she could've learned more advanced spells (and combat tactics) than what was in those books.
 

She has a suitable attitude, but doesn't have a good sense of how to apply her skills towards attacking an enemy.


Because she lacks training and experience.

Imagine what might've happened had Tousen held Hisagi back, the way Shunsui did to Nanao. He'd still be that scared kid that Kensei found, and he'd still panic like he did during that field exercise where he, Renji, Izuru, and Hinamori were the only survivors. But Tousen helped him overcome his fear and under his guidance, Hisagi became one of the most capable lieutenants in the Gotei.

Instead, Shunsui stunted Nanao's growth by preventing her transfer, then coddled her by not allowing her to fight. Which is why I called it f*cked up.
 

You could try to argue she would get better with experience, but if we look at the nakama, that doesn't seem to happen.


I can easily counter with Hisagi, Rukia, and Sui-Féng, who were all in Nanao's position once. They were allowed to train and hone their skills under proper tutelage. Look what they each became. Especially in Rukia's case, because once Byakuya stopped holding her back....

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 04:11 PM

So does Hacchi, but it didn't stop him from becoming a powerhouse Kidô practictioner. To a lesser extent, the same can be said of Hinamori, who was acknowledged as a master at Kidô by Kira and Hitsugaya.

In Nanao and Omaeda's case, you comparing one who has talent to someone who doesn't. Omaeda has had tutelage under Sui-Féng, yet by his own admission, shunpo is the only thing he's good at (i.e. running away). That's why he said he wished he was multi-talented like Shuuhei and the other lieutenants.

Nanao has a gift at Kidô, which Shunsui and Lisa both recognized, which is why they gave her books on the subject. Chances are, she might've been better off in the Kidô Corp. where she could've learned more advanced spells (and combat tactics) than what was in those books.


Because she lacks training and experience.

Imagine what might've happened had Tousen held Hisagi back, the way Shunsui did to Nanao. He'd still be that scared kid that Kensei found, and he'd still panic like he did during that field exercise where he, Renji, Izuru, and Hinamori were the only survivors. But Tousen helped him overcome his fear and under his guidance, Hisagi became one of the most capable lieutenants in the Gotei.

Instead, Shunsui stunted Nanao's growth by preventing her transfer, then coddled her by not allowing her to fight. Which is why I called it f*cked up.


I can easily counter with Hisagi, Rukia, and Sui-Féng, who were all in Nanao's position once. They were allowed to train and hone their skills under proper tutelage. Look what they each became. Especially in Rukia's case, because once Byakuya stopped holding her back....


It seems like the kind of growth you're talking about is being boosted up by another person and not just reaching your own potential.

Even with Byakuya holding Rukia back, her power was still at a Vice Captain's level. Which is why she got promoted. So, from that, it could be said Nanao is as strong as she'd ever be because the thing that is denied from her is recognition, not power or talent. The same as Rukia.

You can't argue guidance would solve any person's issues, guaranteed, because we still have Omaeda.

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 04:52 PM

It seems like the kind of growth you're talking about is being boosted up by another person and not just reaching your own potential.


They're one and the same. That's why the master/apprentice sempai/kohai relationship is so important. In many cases, reaching one's potential takes the guidance of someone more experienced.
 

Even with Byakuya holding Rukia back, her power was still at a Vice Captain's level. Which is why she got promoted.


Yes, but no one knew that (including herself and the readers) until he stopped holding her back.
 

So, from that, it could be said Nanao is as strong as she'd ever be.


No, we absolutely cannot.

Case in point: Mayuri never suspected Nemu was capable of taking down an Elite Guard (and neither did the readers*), until she did it. But she had to stop cowering under him and act on her own volition to do it - because she was also being held back.
 

You can't argue guidance would solve any person's issues, guaranteed, because we still have Omaeda.


I never said it was guaranteed to happen. I said it might have or could have happened.


*note: That excludes myself, because I predicted Nemu was actually one of the strongest lieutenants (in the 'Rank the Lieutenants' thread on the old site) years before it was finally proven fact.

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 02:15 AM

A lot of more info on the novel. All credit belongs to sectjackal on tumblr.


Rukia and Renji invited Gotei members to have some sake (like a tea party) where they announced they were getting married like this,
Rukia’s face gets redder and redder from anxiety when Renji, finally, stands up straight nervously with her next to him. She deeply thanks everyone for coming and Renji spills it with a “We- we are getting married!” declaration and there’s shocked silence for a moment until Rangiku, Hanataro, Kiyone, and others congratulate them, people aren’t surprised by them getting together (I think this part is translated? But I’ll put it here because I found it really cute and humorous how it was written.)
Rukia goes to Byakuya’s place to inform she’s going to do the marriage enrollment, Chiyo appears again (Rukia’s servant & friend from Makoto-sensei’s last novel The Death Save The Strawberry) to help her
Iba takes care of Komamura’s dog, Goro. I haven’t seen any confirmation on the wolf cubs’ relation to Komamura (I sort of skimmed here a bit sorry)
Renji and Rukia run into Iba & the doggos on their way and they get friendly here
Rukia and Renji are packing and looks to be getting a mansion/house to live in together in the first central ward area due to the upcoming establishment of marriage (this is before the ceremony)
Everyone’s fave forgotten shinigami Ryuunosuke Yuki & others appear here for a short bit to help with moving and duties (he’s confirmed alive at least? they don’t do anything important)
Ryuusuke & other members give them some device box from Urahara-san that flashes into white smoke, Urahara greets them which Rukia & Renji try to reply to and are surprised by being congratulated for their marriage. It is a recorded voice mail. They also receive a gift from him with the device. (He’s being shady about some technology gift they must keep a secret? Don’t quote me on this part.)
Renji & Rukia have a meal at Byakuya’s place in silence which makes Renji nervous and they look to get a kimono because Byakuya asked about his dress earlier with Rukia. Later all three go to get their marriage papers officialized and announced as an official couple, the two get emotionally happy over this on finally being married.
The wedding ceremony section:
It starts with Orihime at a park by the train station where she and Renji&Rukia meet up
Rukia asks how the shop is prospering since Orihime works as a regular employee at a bakery’s cake store called “ABCookies” ever since after high school graduation three summers ago
Because Orihime relied on distant relative’s living expenses, but since they would only give assistance until high school graduation, she had to look for work.
Just from the air that Renji and Rukia seem more intimate than before, Orihime wonders happily with a big smile - “Oh, you two started dating, isn’t it?!” Orihime’s intuition is sharp although dull many times (?)
Rukia is taken aback by the suddenness that she’s laughing nervously and stumbling for words. “Inoue, Renji and I… We entered today… ah……. ah oh yeah um… entering… We entered to get married.” sort of thing. Orihime is really happy to hear this that she’s begun to cry tearfully with a shining smile
Wondering if Rukia has told Ichigo yet, Rukia tells her she wanted to tell her female best friend first of the news before heading over to see Ichigo
Riruka works at Yukio’s enterprise company, works as a designer in the apparel department
Jackie Tristan too works at the same company but she flies all over the world to developing countries as charity, so they rarely see each other in person
Orihime calls Riruka and talks about Rukia getting married and the ceremony is approaching in a couple of weeks, she wanted to make a wedding dress for her at first. Riruka yells that it’s not possible for a beginner to do in two weeks in which Orihime thinks over again with the suggestion of a wedding veil instead. They agree and order the materials.
Ichigo is a university student coming home from afternoon class (doesn’t mention what field/career)
Tatsuki does karate
All the human friends are gathered at Kurosaki Clinic including Tatsuki, Keigo, and Mizuiro and the two Kurosaki sisters
The later four’s careers aren’t mentioned
They’re all eating cakes Orihime brought from ABCookies and working on the veil progressively together and it takes them hours until completion
Orihime liked flowers since a long time ago. They are putting texture of strawberry flower petals on the hem of the veil. In the language of flowers, it means happy family which she says would be perfect as a motif on the veil for the loving couple which everyone sewed some petals on then put the gold embroidery through.
(Ichika isn’t really mentioned in the novel but it’s a speculation on connecting the dots where her name comes from with this info drop)
Uryu is a medical student in medical school. He’s mended his relationship with his father but does not answer any more questions about it.
Chad’s sparring partner is named Daniel (安堂ダニエル) a heavyweight Japanese champion, he leaves after getting the call
Yuzu says Orihime acts as a mother so she is very happy when she’s around. Karin agrees when asked and says she’s reminded of her mother, Masaki, and looks at the large poster in the room when they talk more about it fondly.
Orihime wears a pink dress made of fluffy chiffon material at the wedding ceremony (putting this here for the colorists/editors)
After the ceremony is done with Renji and Rukia being wed, there’s a feast.
The girls including Orihime and Rangiku all excitedly take pictures of Rukia and with Rukia by putting their faces together behind the camera
(A lot are camera happy haha)
Kyoraku borrows Rukia for a moment and they leave to have some privacy because Kyoraku has a story to tell her and gives a gift wrapped in cloth to her
Rukia is really surprised it’s the 13th squad’s haori and gets overwhelmed by emotions
Ukitake had told Kyoraku he wants to retire one day so he originally tailored a haori to give to Kaien but then he lost his life
Kyoraku did not give it to Rukia until today because he was waiting for her heart to grow (to strengthen her heart for leadership). Also hands her an envelope with a heavy banknote inside, Rukia tries to not accept but Kyoraku tells her it is from Ukitake and pleads for her to please accept
Rukia swears an oath to herself that it won’t be too far in the future she will be captain with the haori, she just needs more time
Four hours after the reception, the humans are now leaving to head home and they give gift bags.
(This is for a friend whose headcanon was on point, so this is for them in detail)
There is a message from Isshin given to Rukia. Isshin tells he is the uncle to Kaien. At the time of his nephew’s death, he was the tenth captain so it was a shock. Of course, he had heard the circumstances from Ukitake, and thought Rukia needed a helping hand/comfort most, so he visited the 13th barracks many times but when he saw Rukia’s painful profile/look, he could not call out anything.
Renji tells Rukia to remain and he’ll escort the humans to the senkaimon so that they can head home because he is a part of the 6th squad.
What follows after are the last few pages with Renji + Ichigo and Ichigo + Orihime which are translated
After the Ichigo and Orihime sketch page is the postscripts, credits and ads of old Bleach novels and the new novel coming out
Hisagi’s 2017 novel will reveal the mystery of the world, the Fullbringers and Arrancar, the Soul King, and the great aristocrat houses

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Ah, I love how the whole Karakura nakama and the twins also helped make the wedding veil-so much love and warmth was put into it, I'm sure Rukia will always cherish the veil. This novel is so warm and light. I'm really loving it.

Also it turns out strawberry flower isn't Orihime's favorite flower-she just likes them in general and specifically picked that one for the veil because of what it means(happy family) since she found it perfect for the newlyweds. I saw that some people were peeved that she put her favorite flower on Rukia's wedding veil, and called her selfish for this but everything's been cleared now.

Anyways, I'm really looking forward to the Hisagi novel.
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Posted 31 December 2016 - 03:29 PM

http://tenshiscave.t...ith-you-i-ch1-2

 

verduistering of BA made a summary of Spirits are Forever With You 1, in case anyone is interested.


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Posted 31 December 2016 - 08:13 PM

I like this Kenpachi.



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:44 PM

http://missstormcall...you-part-4-full
http://missstormcall...you-part-5-full

Part 4 will be divided into 3 parts.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 02:26 PM

http://missstormcall...you-part-6-full

 

Here's a more detailed summary of what Urahara gave the couple,

 

 

 

Basically, he sent Renji and Rukia a wedding gift through the Shinigami stationed in Karakura (Ryuunosuke) before they even announced it to him, and he pretty much predicted their actions and thoughts throughout his recorded message (which would replay on loop if they didn't close the box). It was a small space warp machine using the same technology that they used in the battle at Karakura for the fake Karakura Town. This was to allow them to teleport items to and from their home and their barracks - he got them one each I think. 

And actually it was old technology apparently, but Yamamoto had gotten angry at Urahara for inventing it, asking what would happen if the enemy used it to attack and corner them. So Urahara advised them to use it secretly. But just as they were having doubts, he assured them that Kurotsuchi had many of it scattered around the Seireitei, Nemu had used it to enter the Shinigami Women Association room, and Oomaeda had paid lots of money to get one from Kurotsuchi so he could teleport between his home and the barracks. 

He ended his note saying that he had troubled them a lot in the past, so if they needed anything to let him know and they could discuss. (They were very suspicious of what he meant by "discuss", being the former head of the Tech Development Bureau!) Anyway, after that, Rukia reflected on how grateful she was for receiving this from him, as he had always appeared at their toughest time in the battle and found a way to turn things around. When his message started to loop, they quickly shut the box and expressed annoyance. Ryuunosuke also expressed annoyance, saying that he had admired Urahara until he started actually interacting with him. 

Turns out Urahara became a big hero as the Seireitei publication reported about his feats in the battles, and all shinigami who didn't know him admired him from afar. Rukia guessed Ryuunosuke must have been the subject of a lot of pranks by Urahara. But still, there was no one more dependable than him in a battle. But Renji reflected that if Urahara was not being respected, it meant that there was peace, and that was a good thing.
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 04:30 PM

http://tenshiscave.t...ver-with-you-ii

 

verduistering is a godsend with these summaries.  I guess those "multiple mouths and hands to cast Kidou" that ancient summaries of "SAFWY" actually refers to the Gigai he took control of.


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It swallows the falling star"
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Kurosaki Ichigo and Ishida Uryu

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 05:30 PM

http://missstormcall...you-part-6-full
 
Here's a more detailed summary of what Urahara gave the couple,


Wow, so on top of everything else, Sandal Hat even knew RenRuki was gonna happen and even knew when to send the wedding gift without having to be told about it. Can Kubo possibly make him more of a Stu?

It would've been nice had he at least explained how or where Urahara was getting any of his intel from, but I suppose there's no use hoping at this point. The unofficial answer will remain 'just because'. He might as well be Batman.

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 05:38 PM

We need more Don Kanoji stories.

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 04:44 PM

http://missstormcall...rt-7-full#notes

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:03 PM

I don't know if Aizen was mentioned, but I would like to share certain details (about Isane and Kiyone) from the novel that haven't been shared before as far as I remember. Suharu forwarded them to me, so make sure to thank her (even though she's not as active on the forum as she used to be):

There was one of Isane and Kiyone talking. Kiyone was vice captain of 4th div, and it turns out it was at Isane's request. Naturally, there were emotional reasons - Unohana was to her as Ukitake was to Kiyone (I thought this parallel drawn out by the novel was very touching), so they would be emotional support for each other. But she also revealed that Kiyone was a genius at Kaidou, which was why Yamamoto had put her in 13th division... without her, Unohana was having to make visits to Ukitake too frequently, so Kiyone's healing ability for Ukitake spared her from having to do all that.

And their conversation also confirmed that Yachiru had not been seen since the battle with Gremmy. Isane then confirmed that Yahiru was Zaraki's zanpakutou... at least, she described the moment when she last saw Yachiru. She had just been healed by Isane, but her bones were still not fully mended. And suddenly, Yachiru charged into the battle scene with Zaraki and Gremmy, after Gremmy erected the platform, saying, "Finally, finally, I can have the privilege of being called by Ken-chan." Presumably that was when Zaraki went into shikai to deal with the meteorite. When I read that, I felt it was so touching... the relationship between Zaraki and Yachiru.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:40 PM

But she also revealed that Kiyone was a genius at Kaidou, which was why Yamamoto had put her in 13th division... without her, Unohana was having to make visits to Ukitake too frequently, so Kiyone's healing ability for Ukitake spared her from having to do all that.


I know it seems like I'm being johnny-rain-cloud, but I can't be the only one who finds it irksome that we're having to be told all of this in a novel, instead of the manga itself. In hindsight, no less. 'cuz I would've much preferred to read about this, rather than the all the 'just as planned' malarkey with Aizen, the Fullbringer arc, and the Thousand Year Blood War combined.

Isane then confirmed that Yahiru was Zaraki's zanpakutou.


And then, there's this, which raises more questions than it answers. 'cuz it means:
  • Zaraki made his own zanpakutô his lieutenant, effectively holding the position himself. And... no one in the entire Gotei realized this, except 1 or 2 people?
  • His zanpakutô was also president of the Shinigami's Womens Association, meaning Zaraki held that position too (by proxy).
  • And his zanpakutô had such free-will, that it could project itself to everyone and act entirely of its own volition. Up to (and including) harassing Byakuya by pestering him for candy, and digging secret bases (for the SWA) around his estate?
Un-friggin-believable.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:47 PM

He might as well be Batman.


How do you know he isn't?

Kubo's announcement will be his new work will be called Tide; not as strong as bleach but does its trolling in a more colorful fashion! - arcane_chaos

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 03:16 PM

How do you know he isn't?


At this point, if Kubo released a novel revealing Urahara lives a double life in Gotham as a caped vigilante... I'm just gonna nod and go with it.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 03:22 PM

At this point, if Kubo released a novel revealing Urahara lives a double life in Gotham as a caped vigilante... I'm just gonna nod and go with it.


Urahara did get ninja training and has elite hand-to-hand combat skills. So.... :shrug:
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:22 PM

I don't like these filer style "was secretly a kido genius unparalleled by any other" reveals.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:39 PM


I know it seems like I'm being johnny-rain-cloud, but I can't be the only one who finds it irksome that we're having to be told all of this in a novel, instead of the manga itself. In hindsight, no less. 'cuz I would've much preferred to read about this, rather than the all the 'just as planned' malarkey with Aizen, the Fullbringer arc, and the Thousand Year Blood War combined.

 

I mean, it sucks for western fans, but for the japanese, it's not much different than buying a star wars comic, novel, or watching a tv show, to get more info than from the movies.


 


And then, there's this, which raises more questions than it answers. 'cuz it means:
Zaraki made his own zanpakutô his lieutenant, effectively holding the position himself. And... no one in the entire Gotei realized this, except 1 or 2 people?
His zanpakutô was also president of the Shinigami's Womens Association, meaning Zaraki held that position too (by proxy).
And his zanpakutô had such free-will, that it could project itself to everyone and act entirely of its own volition. Up to (and including) harassing Byakuya by pestering him for candy, and digging secret bases (for the SWA) around his estate?
Un-friggin-believable.

 

That's less a novel complaint, and more of a story complaint.


 

I don't like these filer style "was secretly a kido genius unparalleled by any other" reveals.

Kaidou, as in, healing kido, but fair enough I guess. Though being a lieutenant/seated officer, she had to be good at something, and I kinda doubt she's a sword, hand-to-hand, or flash step fighter.






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