I think FUG has plenty of influence. Remember back in season 1 on the floor of the tests, jinsung was pretty much in control of that floor and manipulated the whole exam to get ban and Rachel onto FUGs side, that's an impressive feat considering how pivotal irregulars seem to be to the tower. Especially considering every time someone mentioned Evankhell it was saying they need to avoid him or showing some kind of fear, hes like a top 100 high ranker, and FUG operated under someone like that's nose. Not even getting into all we have seen them manipulate and control in the rest of the series. I mean even the most recent ploy being with combining bam and the needle, it needed to be disrupted by one of the other 10 warriors, a man known for being the most knowledgeable in the tower.
Karaka shows the fanaticism of FUG pretty well, along with people like apple and others who talk about slayers being gods, i dont see how its not living up to its reputation in those senses.
How do you know hes the 12th? Can you link to where that was revealed?
Apparently it just appeared after the battle, it was found after the battle was completed, so it could be anything. Its just FUG's belief that by re-igniting that it has the capability to kill a guardian and thus also kill zahard because he is blessed by a guardian with his immortality.
When I was questioning FUG's influence, I was more referring to those people who aren't a part of FUG like the guy's who ran the Workshop battle and this new train admin guy. At least with the Workshop battle it seemed like a mutually beneficial trade up till the point FUG reneged. I want it to be shown more clearly why outside players would make a deal with FUG, if FUG garners a cult like following show it in the people not a part of FUG like it's been shown for people within FUG, that's why I took guy's like Jinsung, Karaka and Poken out of the mix. You're mixing up the name Jinsung and Hansung, Hansung is the genderbent guy from 2F and Jinsung is Bam's trainer guy from the Ha family, but I also remove Hansung and Augusgus from my scenario since they also seem pretty deeply entrenched in FUG.
I don't know that Phantaminum is the 12th but I'm just making an educated guess that he is since he entered after Zahard and the 10 family heads who are the earliest known irregulars to enter the tower. Unless there were more people I'm missing from that initial irregular group or Enryu entered before Phant, I think it's safe to say with what info we have that he is the 12th, so it's certainly not the right answer but it's the best one.
Side thought: I wonder if all or some of the 10 family heads are in a similar situation as Rachel in that Zahard was the one to open the tower and they followed the path he made?
Sure, there's no certainty of the thorn's origins but it's just a theory that's not at all far fetched so....
FUG's original plan was to fuse Bam with the thorn so that another person/slayer could wield the new weapon to defeat Zahard so I'm not sure whether the thorn was their master plan or if the irregular powering it was since only an irregular can kill Zahard since they're not bound by the same contracts that make Zahard and his 10 family buddies practically invincible. But Beta certainly also hyped up the thorn as something that was involved in the defeat of a Guardian which is tantamount to deicide in ToG so maybe it's both the irregular and the thorn.
Side thought: Whatever happened to Headon and his side scheming?
Edited by Urek Mazino, 13 February 2015 - 02:36 PM.