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#21 Fulmine

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 11:55 AM

It isn't directly stated anywhere, I think, but he was countering Ichi's Minority World without injuring himself here:

http://www.mangastre...251-page-9.html

Then Ichi said he already learned to control his minorities here and praised his mimicry abilities:

http://www.mangastre...51-page-11.html

http://www.mangastre...51-page-12.html

The implication was that he was copying Minority World. 

Would that mean Midora only controlled his minorities so that Ichiryuu's power is ineffective?


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Posted 23 January 2016 - 12:06 PM

Would that mean Midora only controlled his minorities so that Ichiryuu's power is ineffective?

 

Yeah, but I think the implication is that Midora would eventually have mastered MW completely. I'm not sure if continued observation of Ichi would be a requirement, though.


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Posted 23 January 2016 - 12:52 PM

Yeah, but I think the implication is that Midora would eventually have mastered MW completely. I'm not sure if continued observation of Ichi would be a requirement, though.

Well perhaps but for now he would not have that

 

Anw, I need to reread Toriko to remember the order of arcs and whatnot. I'm sure they should be able to reach Gourmet World and Aizen/Uchihas can just illusionate Bambina into seeing his lover LOL. And when you have Caesar, Vegapunk, Aizen, Urahara, Mayuri, Kabuto and Orochimaru it's not far-fetched to have Big3 team learn Toriko's science and technology fast.

 

What concerns me is the cooking and all the Food Techniques. Big3 may not need that to fight but they need it for certain challenges. They should be able to learn them though, or is that a given?


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Posted 23 January 2016 - 01:45 PM

They should be able to learn any science and related abilites in any universe but the real problem with this is how far do these illusions go...

Like KS is pretty story breaking, but how far could it take aizen how would it affect the stronger GW creatures. I'm not a Big bleach guy in not sure if you can break KS by sheer willpower alone......same with genjutsu, irk really.....

But bambina would have to see KS to be affected I think, if aizen reached for his sword, bina might think it's a game and rip off his arms lol

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 02:34 PM

I think KS and genjutsu could face problems in that they might not be able to create illusions convincing enough to fool high-level Gourmet World creatures. I'm assuming that Aizen and genjutsu users craft the contents of the illusions themselves. Without them having knowledge of how the world looks like from the point of view of GW creatures, one would expect there to be telltale signs that something is wrong or even inconsistencies between the contents of the illusion and the input from their senses.

 

Imagine Aizen or a genjutsu user traps Guinness in an illusion. If Guinness uses Guinness Search, he could notice something is wrong if:

  • certain details are missing from his sensory input. For example, if he is seeing an enemy in front of him, but because Aizen or whoever don't know or (more probably) can't even imagine what Guinness experiences during Guinness Search, he doesn't receive information about that enemy's DNA and so on by sniffing, Guinness could infer that something is wrong.
  • there are inconsistencies. He can't see, hear or even smell Aizen normally but is getting information about his DNA and so on.

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 02:54 PM


Like KS is pretty story breaking, but how far could it take aizen how would it affect the stronger GW creatures.

 

GW creatures have higher senses to compensate. 


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Posted 23 January 2016 - 06:17 PM

I think KS and genjutsu could face problems in that they might not be able to create illusions convincing enough to fool high-level Gourmet World creatures. I'm assuming that Aizen and genjutsu users craft the contents of the illusions themselves. Without them having knowledge of how the world looks like from the point of view of GW creatures, one would expect there to be telltale signs that something is wrong or even inconsistencies between the contents of the illusion and the input from their senses.
 
Imagine Aizen or a genjutsu user traps Guinness in an illusion. If Guinness uses Guinness Search, he could notice something is wrong if:

  • certain details are missing from his sensory input. For example, if he is seeing an enemy in front of him, but because Aizen or whoever don't know or (more probably) can't even imagine what Guinness experiences during Guinness Search, he doesn't receive information about that enemy's DNA and so on by sniffing, Guinness could infer that something is wrong.
  • there are inconsistencies. He can't see, hear or even smell Aizen normally but is getting information about his DNA and so on.

 
There's still Izanagi, which can swap illusion and reality, and Izanami, which I still haven't entirely understood, but it's probably useful :lol:
Also, noticing wouldn't necessarily mean they can escape it. I guess if Guinness notices inconsistencies, he could just nuke the entire surroudings, but against ever regenerating Aizen or Edo Tensei, that might be useless.



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 06:40 PM


Also, noticing wouldn't necessarily mean they can escape it.

 

True. I was thinking that they'd be able to fight around it if their senses exceeded the illusions. For example, Guinness could rely on smell alone.

 


I guess if Guinness notices inconsistencies, he could just nuke the entire surroundings, but against ever regenerating Aizen or Edo Tensei, that might be useless.

 

Again, true, but that doesn't mean that he can't easily stop them from catching him or God. 



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Posted 23 January 2016 - 08:08 PM

They were able to sense, a miniscule power up from toriko half way across the planet (which happens to be twice, tree times the size of our planet? Maybe 4)

 

Their senses are on point, also......to put in perspective the minimum amount things that have to go their way in order to even reach guinness...

 

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 08:32 PM

Bach can create all those items since he is god

 

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Posted 23 January 2016 - 11:27 PM

Sugar one-shot 8 Kings.


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Posted 24 January 2016 - 12:15 AM

Sugar one-shot 8 Kings.

 

Assuming she doesn't faint from their sheer presence. 



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Posted 24 January 2016 - 12:26 AM

Assuming she doesn't faint from their sheer presence. 

One Piece CoC barrier will help a bit :lolxg: . Plus Komatsu was fine so...


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Posted 24 January 2016 - 03:29 AM

Komastu was shaking in his boots from Hercules 1000 year old foot print

 

Plus Hercules lung are powerful enough to suck in an entire plantets oxygen.



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Posted 24 January 2016 - 07:18 AM

But none of the 8K will use their planet-breaking attacks. Sure they could, but by the setup, they're at least as concerned about their own/the ecosystem's wellbeing as they are about defeating the invaders.

 

That's also the biggest chance the invaders have - send Logias + Edo Tensei + Aizen & Yhwach and hope nobody from Torikoverse annihilates Earth :mellow:

 

Without proper previous knowledge, they'll all just run into death against the Four Beast, maybe earlier. If they could coordinate with previous knowledge, they might have a chance - spare Issho until 100G mountain for example so that he can set off the gravity, or spare the Shinigami to go against Moon.


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Posted 24 January 2016 - 02:35 PM

Bijuu should be some high level beasts in Toriko. Maybe CL 100-200?


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Posted 24 January 2016 - 06:07 PM

the turtle was level 100 and it blew up a small country.



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Posted 24 January 2016 - 06:16 PM

The effect of Zebra's Voice Missile and Thunder Noise;

http://www.mangainn....ter-128/page_18

And here's Salamander Sphinx tanking Voice Missile, Voice Cutter and Thunder Noise:

http://www.mangainn....ter-136/page_14

http://www.mangainn....ter-136/page_15

http://www.mangainn....ter-136/page_16

This was just the start of the fight and the Sphinx is only a Capture Level 90+.

 

To be fair, Zebra might have used Thunder Noise multiple times against Mount Turtle and the hordes of beasts outside the prison, which might explain why the effect is so exaggerated. Voice Missile is the more powerful attack, though, if we go by calorie consumption.  

 

It also took a 10-Hit Nail Punch from Toriko and later a 15-hit Nail Punch plus a Voice Missile (which made it cry):

http://www.mangainn....ter-138/page_10

http://www.mangainn....ter-138/page_18

 

Toriko could destroy a chunk of iron ore this big with a 15-hit Nail Punch prior to that:

http://www.mangainn....pter-110/page_2

http://www.mangainn....pter-110/page_3

http://www.mangainn....pter-110/page_5

http://www.mangainn....pter-110/page_6

 

It took many more attacks besides these, but while admittedly beaten up, was still relatively fine afterwards:

http://www.mangainn....ter-141/page_21

 

It's hard to quantify its offensive power since everything took place within the Pyramid and I'm not sure how strong Sound Wall and Fork Shield were at that point, though it could break both.

 

As for the 'limbs' of the Four Beast, their max capture level is 150.

Toriko was able to push back, momentarily, at least ten million tons of water with an 18-Hit Nail Punch.

http://www.mangainn....pter-151/page_7

 

Gaoh tanked a 30-Hit Kugi Punch from Toriko:

http://www.mangainn....pter-197/page_9

http://www.mangainn....ter-197/page_10

http://www.mangainn....ter-197/page_11

http://www.mangainn....ter-197/page_12

And Toriko had powered at least three times since his 18-Hit Nail Punch on Death Falls.

 

And then there's this:

http://www.mangainn....pter-196/page_4

The combined firepower used against the 4 Beast could destroy an area the size of the United States. It's a bit ambiguous because I'm not sure if all of that was used on Mount Turtle or split between them, but it's still a hell of a tanking feat, considering that Mount Turtle was unscathed. 

 

Don't have time to post offensive feats for the 4 Beast, but if I'm not mistaken, their durability/endurance far exceeds that of the Bijuu. (Need to check their feats first).

 

Just to get started for tomorrow, though, Mount Turtle is implied to have casually destroyed Ice Hell. Not easy to get an idea of how big it is, but it's pretty big. 

http://www.mangainn....apter-70/page_3

http://www.mangainn....pter-196/page_3


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 01:14 AM

the turtle was level 100 and it blew up a small country.

Which turtle and what country?


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 12:59 PM

Which turtle and what country

 

The one zebra fought in the four beast arc Mount Turtle

 

It destroyed Ice hell just by swimming past it and it destroyed.

 

Then it nuked a county. I'm too lazy to look for the page.  :(






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