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#1 Lorenx1

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 01:06 AM

Just might be a good idea to allow us to do if we want a fresh start on a topic.
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Posted 03 August 2016 - 02:36 AM

If I understand correctly, I'd say it's not for person that just created topic to choose whether close or delete it, as others have posted there.

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 03:00 AM

However, there's a similar concern that I have. Running Social Groups I'd really like the ability to edit posts in locked threads. In an RP I'm running I have a locked/stickied info/guide thread that I edit regularly and having to unlock/re-lock it each time I edit is a pain.


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:47 AM

Just might be a good idea to allow us to do if we want a fresh start on a topic.

 

If you want a thread closed or deleted, you can just report it and ask us to do it. It's not that long or complicated. Then you can do a fresh start on the topic.


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 12:18 PM

However, there's a similar concern that I have. Running Social Groups I'd really like the ability to edit posts in locked threads. In an RP I'm running I have a locked/stickied info/guide thread that I edit regularly and having to unlock/re-lock it each time I edit is a pain.

 

AFAIK there is a trend that if a user is granted his own subgroup (subforum etc.) he gets moderator previliges over his "unit". Other than that, if it's about one topic which you update, why not leave it open with caution that no discussion takes place there? And in an event of such, ask the moderator once in a time to delete unwanted posts?



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 03:14 PM

I can delete posts myself in SGs. It's just that I'd rather the thread remained locked. Your solution works but it's just roundabout.


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 05:04 PM

I just don't know why members don't have the freedom to close their own thread. It's just an extra step of micro managing
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Posted 03 August 2016 - 05:08 PM

I just don't know why members don't have the freedom to close their own thread. It's just an extra step of micro managing

 

Really, you think that not allowing users to close their own threads is micro-managing?  It's like you've never been on a forum before.  I've never heard of a board system that allows users to close threads after they've been posted in.  That has always been a moderator+ level ability.

 

And we wouldn't allow it here for the simply fact that far too many of our users would abuse it to get the last word in or claim ownership of a conversation or whatever.  Plus, it would just clutter up the place if people could just close threads randomly.


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#9 Lorenx1

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:20 PM

Really, you think that not allowing users to close their own threads is micro-managing?

Asking me won't change my answer. It's a solid yes.

It's like you've never been on a forum before. I've never heard of a board system that allows users to close threads after they've been posted in. That has always been a moderator+ level

What are you talking about? Plenty of forums give members the option to close their own thread, lock their own thread and even delete their own thread.

Yes Mods have the ability to do it. But that doesn't mean it's impossible to allow members to do it. The real question is have you been in other forums lately? I don't know why you want to make it look like such an insane or impossible idea.

Not to promote or advertise, but Manga Mavericks allow me to lock, delete, or close my own thread. And even before MM, other forums have been allowing me to do it aswell. For example, a writing forum also allows me to delete my own threads. It's practically a default option.

And we wouldn't allow it here for the simply fact that far too many of our users would abuse it to get the last word in or claim ownership of a conversation or whatever. Plus, it would just clutter up the place if people could just close threads randomly.

In manga Mavericks I had a thread for progress story. Because it was used for discussion and chapters, it was getting harder to find the chapters. I did it effortlessly without asking permission. (One example of many from multiple forums) The only time I had to ask an Admin to do anything for my threads was to move them to a different board.

Deleting a thread is definitely possible without clutter.

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:51 PM

If you don't want to. That's fine. I'm not gonna fight. But it's not a crazy feature. It's a default for many forums out there.
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Posted 04 August 2016 - 12:02 AM

Thanks for the suggestion. My personal view on forum management is that the members collectively create the community. A topic is the product of the userbase as a whole, and thus does not belong any more to the creator of the thread than to any of its participants. Consequently, closing and deleting threads falls under the purview of moderators who are tasked with maintaining the board as a whole. 



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 12:10 AM

I think members should have the right to delete a thread. Especially if it's for self created content.
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Posted 04 August 2016 - 02:30 PM

I think members should have the right to delete a thread. Especially if it's for self created content.

The problem with that has already been stated a few times here. Users would abuse this to say derogatory or discriminatory remarks towards others and get away with it due to lack of evidence/mods having too many threads set up for perma-deletion that it would likely accidentally have been wiped without having been read. Even though this community is nice, there are still some people who just like to be mean while on the internet.

 

 

Really, you think that not allowing users to close their own threads is micro-managing?  It's like you've never been on a forum before.  I've never heard of a board system that allows users to close threads after they've been posted in.  That has always been a moderator+ level ability.

 

And we wouldn't allow it here for the simply fact that far too many of our users would abuse it to get the last word in or claim ownership of a conversation or whatever.  Plus, it would just clutter up the place if people could just close threads randomly.

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I can delete posts myself in SGs. It's just that I'd rather the thread remained locked. Your solution works but it's just roundabout.

perhaps a moderator only mode would be helpful in your situation?


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 03:43 PM

perhaps a moderator only mode would be helpful in your situation?

 

Go on...?


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 04:20 PM


What are you talking about? Plenty of forums give members the option to close their own thread, lock their own thread and even delete their own thread.

Yes Mods have the ability to do it. But that doesn't mean it's impossible to allow members to do it. The real question is have you been in other forums lately? I don't know why you want to make it look like such an insane or impossible idea.

Not to promote or advertise, but Manga Mavericks allow me to lock, delete, or close my own thread. And even before MM, other forums have been allowing me to do it aswell. For example, a writing forum also allows me to delete my own threads. It's practically a default option.

 

I've been frequenting internet forums for years now, far longer than I like to contemplate.  Never had a system that allowed users to close or delete their own threads.  Could be that I spent too much time on gaming forums, where crap like that is locked down hard, but as Greg said, once you put the thoughts out there in a thread, it's no longer yours; it belongs to the community at large.  It's similar to the same reason we refuse to do mass deletions of users posts or delete accounts.  There's an element of accountability there, as well.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 05:51 PM

Go on...?

No I was just saying it sounds like a good idea. If they code it to work that way it would certainly make things easier. It doesn't really sound like it would be that hard for them to do. (that said, I kinda suck at all things coding so .-. there is that to consider)


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 07:18 PM

I've been frequenting internet forums for years now, far longer than I like to contemplate. Never had a system that allowed users to close or delete their own threads. Could be that I spent too much time on gaming forums, where crap like that is locked down hard, but as Greg said, once you put the thoughts out there in a thread, it's no longer yours; it belongs to the community at large. It's similar to the same reason we refuse to do mass deletions of users posts or delete accounts. There's an element of accountability there, as well.

These are ideas are very extreme. Also I don't know what forums but plenty of forums allow one to delete threads. I promise you that there is one forum you ran into (if not half) that allow it.

Anyone should be able to have to delete their own content if it is coming from them. It has nothing to do with "accountability" . If someone quits too, they should have the option.

I understand for controlling misbehavior which is why I'm not fighting it. But you won't even allow someone to delete their own threads bulk is not disruptive at all. Sure a community can be pissed off. But it should be a right.

The community can control a topic. No denying that. For a forum just to talk about manga and anime, then fine. But you are talking about owning other people's content just because a community is happy. We are talking about GFX sections, story galleries, art galleries, poems etc.

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 08:45 PM

Regardless of how common is, it's not a direction we're looking to go in; sorry.



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Posted 04 August 2016 - 10:19 PM

You're talking about trying to own someone else's content.
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Posted 05 August 2016 - 01:17 AM

And you're asking for the right to own someone else's content.

 

As an SG owner, I have moderation rights to hide and delete other people's posts and threads. That doesn't give me the right to abuse that kind of power. I just overhauled an entire RP and I merely hid the old threads in case another use wants access to them again. Because that's the responsible thing to do. If I make a thread, and a user I don't like (and believe me, there are a lot of users I don't like) gets the upper hand against me in a discussion, does that give me the right to delete the thread or, to an extreme, that user's posts? Because if members are given the right to delete their threads, the next thing people are gonna ask for is the right to delete individual posts.

 

It's a snowball effect kinda thing. I don't know about you, but I don't want people to have the right to censor content that violates their safe space. Because that's what this will end up being.

 

Now, mods...

 

About that editing locked posts thing? :^)


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