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#781 Chillman

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:04 PM

Why do you need to know its mechanics if you know its abilities?

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:06 PM

You do recall Kyoraku's Bankai abilities, yes?  Shunsui would have violated Starrk so hard that his reincarnation would regret wanting to push Kyoraku into Bankai.

 

You wish

 

The first one won't work consdering Kyoraku could only hit a distracted Starrk to slow him down enough.

Thats not including the soul wolves which would completely render it the first game useless.

 

The 2nd game is the only one that would work but it isn't instant 

 

the 3rd game is complete suicide because Kyoraku not going to outlast Starrk in a reaistu game

 

so that only leaves the 4th game which won't work on a long range fighters.

 

 

Soo no Sayian his bankai wouldn't really much.  :^_^:


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:41 PM

You wish

 

The first one won't work consdering Kyoraku could only hit a distracted Starrk to slow him down enough.

Thats not including the soul wolves which would completely render it the first game useless.

 

The 2nd game is the only one that would work but it isn't instant 

 

the 3rd game is complete suicide because Kyoraku not going to outlast Starrk in a reaistu game

 

so that only leaves the 4th game which won't work on a long range fighters.

 

 

Soo no Sayian his bankai wouldn't really much.  :^_^:

 

 

Lille could teleport, probably had more reiatsu than Starrk after that auschwalen, and he's a sniper. 

 

Literally everything you said applies to Lille, who got hit with everything and only survived Shunsui's last act because he was nigh-indestructible/immortal. 


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:45 PM

As soon as Starrk hits Shunsui he'll get hit by the first two dans.

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 08:22 PM


had more reiatsu than Starrk

 

probaly 

 

but not definatly, Starrk was killing off Hollows just by being near them.

 

And while Lilie was worried he wasn't in any immediate danger from the game. 

 

even if he has more reiastu than Starrk it wouldn't matter, Kyoraku would have to outlast Starrk. 

 

 

 


and he's a sniper.

 

He didn't have wolves which could attack for him.

Also despite being a sniper he did rush Kyoraku which got his hit by the 4th scene.

 

That doesn't sound like something Starrk would do.


 

 

 


As soon as Starrk hits Shunsui he'll get hit by the first two dans.

 

would he or would the wolves take the damage since he is splitting his soul.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 08:45 PM

probaly 

 

but not definatly, Starrk was killing off Hollows just by being near them.

 

And while Lilie was worried he wasn't in any immediate danger from the game. 

 

even if he has more reiastu than Starrk it wouldn't matter, Kyoraku would have to outlast Starrk. 

 

 

 

 

He didn't have wolves which could attack for him.

Also despite being a sniper he did rush Kyoraku which got his hit by the 4th scene.

 

That doesn't sound like something Starrk would do.


 

 

 

 

would he or would the wolves take the damage since he is splitting his soul.

 

splitting souls means he also take damage.



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 03:51 AM


It could open up a situation where Starrk holds the upper hand. His reiatsu auto-deletes weaklings. No Shinigami gets to do that.

This has not been established well enough for us to make judgements. This feat of Starrk's was supposed to show his motivation and also how strong he was. That being said, I think some Shinigami could "auto-delete" low-tier Hollows with their presence or reiatsu-flexing alone. It's just we haven't seen strong Shinigami going against such weaklings. Put Kenpachi in Hueco Mundo and let him go on a stroll; see how many weak Hollows he would delete with his reiatsu.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:03 PM

I've started to read and watch Bleach again and damn It's was great when Bleach was still going.

 

One thing I'd like to point out: Byakuya's senka, I completely forgot how OP this shit look like back in the days.(afterwards he barely even used it...)



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:50 PM

Byakuya probably retired the move after a Vice Captain blocked it.

 

Though, when he attacked Zommari, he moved behind Zommari to attack. It still didn't work, though.


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 01:40 PM

Byakuya probably retired the move after a Vice Captain blocked it.

 

Though, when he attacked Zommari, he moved behind Zommari to attack. It still didn't work, though.

Renji got any stronger from that point and onwards, he just act as Ichigo's shadow...

 

After Zommari blocks it, well that is probably the point he realise that he wouldn't hit any  "strong" foe with this trick.



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Posted 19 January 2017 - 02:03 PM

Renji got any stronger from that point and onwards, he just act as Ichigo's shadow...

 

After Zommari blocks it, well that is probably the point he realise that he wouldn't hit any  "strong" foe with this trick.

 

Can't really tell. 

 

After that fight, he started off fighting Tsukishima with Shikai, we didn't see the beginning of his fight with As Nodt (though, he wan't really trying to beat As Nodt so he wouldn't try to use an insta-kill move) and we didn't see the beginning of the fight with the five Stern Ritter.

 

So, after Zommari, all of his enemies were too strong to use Senka on (though, he may have been able to manage it on one of the five SR he fought after coming down from the RR)


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 02:16 PM

Can't really tell. 

 

After that fight, he started off fighting Tsukishima with Shikai, we didn't see the beginning of his fight with As Nodt (though, he wan't really trying to beat As Nodt so he wouldn't try to use an insta-kill move) and we didn't see the beginning of the fight with the five Stern Ritter.

 

So, after Zommari, all of his enemies were too strong to use Senka on (though, he may have been able to manage it on one of the five SR he fought after coming down from the RR)

Might have been pointless to either show it or make Byakuya use it, I guess Kubo did want to make a longer fight or probably just quits on trying to find a utility for the move itself.

 

Besides Senka was just a Slash Step with a insta-kill move except that he never actually killed anyone with it besides Zommari.



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Posted 19 January 2017 - 02:30 PM

Might have been pointless to either show it or make Byakuya use it, I guess Kubo did want to make a longer fight or probably just quits on trying to find a utility for the move itself.

 

Besides Senka was just a Slash Step with a insta-kill move except that he never actually killed anyone with it besides Zommari.

 

That's not what he used on Zommari.

 

Also, it doesn't kill. It seals spiritual energy flow and kills the source of a konpaku's spirit energy. 

 

 

 

It was forgotten for the same reason Yoruichi, Sui-Feng, and Kirinji didn't instantly kill every enemy they faced.


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 02:49 PM

That's not what he used on Zommari.

 

Also, it doesn't kill. It seals spiritual energy flow and kills the source of a konpaku's spirit energy. 

 

 

 

It was forgotten for the same reason Yoruichi, Sui-Feng, and Kirinji didn't instantly kill every enemy they faced.

might be I can't really re-call how he defeated Zommari.

 

2. You're right, It was explained back in the SS arc that it didn't kill but just seals spiritual energy.



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Posted 20 January 2017 - 03:46 AM

Senkei does kill its a sword to chest, It doesn't kill instantly.

 

splitting souls means he also take damage.

 

the wolves that attack would take damage.


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Posted 20 January 2017 - 09:08 AM


It was forgotten for the same reason Yoruichi, Sui-Feng, and Kirinji didn't instantly kill every enemy they faced.

 

Byakuya was an order of magnitude faster than Ichigo. That's really the only reason why it worked. Yoruichi's enemies were either other shinigami or people on her level. Soi Fon and Kirinji didn't fight anyone that far below them, IIRC. And if they did it was just as easy, if not faster, to mass-pwn them.


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Posted 20 January 2017 - 09:33 AM

Byakuya was an order of magnitude faster than Ichigo. That's really the only reason why it worked. Yoruichi's enemies were either other shinigami or people on her level. Soi Fon and Kirinji didn't fight anyone that far below them, IIRC. And if they did it was just as easy, if not faster, to mass-pwn them.

 

Kubo's portrayal of speed is vague, but it seems like Sui-Feng and Yoruichi should have insta-d everyone except Kirinji

 

(I guess they technically would since the only people they fought were Barragan, BG9, Askin and Chrysalis Aizen; all people who were physically invulnerable)


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Posted 20 January 2017 - 01:32 PM

It was forgotten for the same reason Yoruichi, Sui-Feng, and Kirinji didn't instantly kill every enemy they faced.


'Maken-ki!' is the only manga I've seen where anyone actually uses their speed the way you'd expect (i.e. with common sense). Which is the reason Yan-Min became one of my favorite characters from that series. In the instant it takes the victim to realize she's there, and that they're under attack, it's already over.

She's what Sui-Féng could've been, 'cuz she fills the exact same role: an unarmed combat specialist, who's reknowned for her speed and doubles as a covert ops agent. Except you actually get to see Yan-Min doing covert ops.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 04:40 PM

Soi Fon most likely does that 

 

its just when we see her she is fighting off people like BG9 who can keep up with her.


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Posted 20 January 2017 - 05:02 PM

Soi Fon most likely does that 

 

its just when we see her she is fighting off people like BG9 who can keep up with her.

 

Well then it's pointless.

 

Why give a character powers you will never let them use? Oh, yeah. TO create an army of jobbers to prop up your 4 or 5 favorite characters.


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