He also lost his arm to Big Mom, right? He has had pretty awful luck when it comes to dealing with the Yonkou, lol. Hopefully Oda doesn't waste his character given he has such an interesting fruit. I'd really hate for him to become like Law and be Luffy's ally instead of someone that wants to become PK, but I guess that would depend on how it is written maybe.
I think u underrate the yonkous a bit. Half the SH crew was a goner on the plateau of WCI right before the Tamate Box exploded. Luffy was beaten, CC+Bege captured, an the G66 was also already dealt with. Only Jinbei, Sanji (at least partly), Nami and Chopper+Beges fodder remained and since Luffy was pretty much fodder to BM and taken out by a single clash with BM, in which she did not even put much effort into, i doubt the ones remaining would have made any difference had it not been for the explosion.
To the SN part:
Well they could ally in Wano, going separate ways afterwards again. There is no need for all of them to become part of the fleet, i definitely cant see Kidd or Apoo to become fleet captains/allies, they r far to ruthless/cruel for that.
While i believe that at least 2 SN might become permanent allies (i bet its either Bonney (RA connection), Bege (Crew/Vito=fanboys of germa, Lola+Chiffon relation to Nami) or Drake (needs to have a reason the defected from the marines)), that does not need to mean that they wont be enemies in the beginning. Zoro is seemingly an enemy for Hawkins, with noone else, except Luffy around. Since the SHs got training no other SN received most likely, at least not for 2 whole years, and Luffy has taken a huge step ahead in WCI, making him top commander lvl already, I cant believe Luffy + Zoro are needed to deal with Hawkins + crew. Hawkins vs Zoro seems legit to me consequently, especially since he uses sharp .... fingernails in his vodoo doll form?, which aint something that works well for Luffy.
Meanwhile Sanji (+his group) does the same, meaning beat, with Drake + crew or Apoo +crew (am a huge fan for Sanji vs those 2, since both seem to be CoA users, with Drake possibly being an awakened (thus extremely tanky/durable) ancient zoan user) and Brook (teamed up with Sanji) vs Apoo, since Apoo is just such an epic stepstone for Brook that the latter might make a huge step powerwise and his variety in abilites itself.
Nami and Chopper i clearly see to be able the deal with the rest, since Nami now got a huge powerboost imo. And Chopper wont want to fall behind,they certainly will have to go all out, or even need help from time to time but they might be able to do it.
Yeah, I want X Drake to stick with Kaidou (his fruit aligns with Kaidou's crew) and fight against the eventual Supernova team up. I also want Kidd to become Luffy's top rival. I don't want all the Supernova to be buddy buddy either.
For me at least Drake hugely depends on why he defected the marines. E.g. had it been for their very own injustice (speaking of WG/marines) or some other good reasoning, leading to Drake wants to see the WG dealt with/their reign to have an end, he certainly would fit the SHfleet well, since he is a powerhouse already, has a lot of insight in Kaidous territory/dealings as well as the maines' and does seem to be another "thinker/strategist" like Jinbei and Sanji (although the latter fell largely behind since TS....). Thus i rather see Apoo remaining a permanent enemy of the SHs than i see Drake to be that.
Also see Apoo to ally with other SNs i.e. Urouge + Hawkins to fight / defeat the SHs. Could also happen (and i would like that one too) that the Kaidou underlings later on ally to take down the yonkou SH. Meaning Drake+Hawkins+Apoo (again + possibly Urouge, since Oda will introduce him somehow, that would be an ez way to do it) vs the SHs.
Kidd wont be a true rival, unless he gets allies as well that is, the SHs r destined to stand atop. They will beat ANY SNcrew 1vs1, thus some others need to ally in order to become a true threat to the SHs.
I mean honestly the places were Kuma send them was exactly what each and everyone of them needed in order to get the knowledge they needed to become far better. I highly doubt that several SN had anything close to such progress. Surely Drake who is longest under the flag of a yonkou might have had a huge powerboost by being trained i.e. by a calamity, but does a calamity equal Ray-sama or Mihawk-san, all i see is calamities being equals to Iva, or better say around Iva, dont know which one is stronger, i guess THE top commander>Iva, but the other 2 top commanders might be very similar in strength to Iva? Then we have a nami that now has Zeus under her and we have Brook who already endured the wrath of a yonkou personally, i truly dont see the other SNunderlings to have had the chance of progressing like that.
Drake does seem to be ruthless according to the spoilers as well though.
Was wrong when it comes to Hawkins though. Could have sworn he will meet Sanjis group after him being shown last chapter. So huge grain of salt when it comes to my personal opinion of matchups.
Edited by capu, 19 July 2018 - 04:12 AM.