Oda never said what grade Shanks's sword belongs to. Just its name, Gryffon.
MIght be wrong here, but i think when the swordsranks where once more explained a few chaps ago did Shanks' sword not have been pictured there alongside WBs naginata and Zoros Shuusui (which indeed would still not make it one of the 21, but it would still be one of the ranked ones)? Might have falsely taken a leap here true that, still does not mean that there aint the possibility of the sword itself having special abilities like the ones i proposed. Just like the kitetsus are special by being cursed, Shanks sword might be special by being heat resistant+specially durable and that was the point i was trying to make, which is why i tried to seperate the sword from the user (failed obviously though, should have not talked about Shanks, but imagine preTS Zoro with Shanks sword, sword still untouched by magmas effect, while Zoro is a goner, that was what i wanted to propose at that point).
Saying it just means Shanks would block it either way is literally giving him feat he doesn't have
I did say: "which i believe", thus making it clear that it is nothing but an opinion i have, which has not yet been proven or disproven, i think.
And how many times will you continue not quoting the most important part of my post (the last sentence) then read what you quoted out of context LOL?
U realise that that part is adressed in @Tale 's quote, dont u?
I Simply did not want to adress it at that stage, thus doing it twice, i pretty much do so in my answer to said poster...
And no i dont challange the fact that CoA has not been shown to overcome all DF abilites.... so i dont really get what u have a problem with...But the elements part (the one left out was adressed at my answer to Tale as said and will be adressed further, since u seem to disagree with my stand)
And what? CoA lets you hit Logia as if they are solid. So of course the sword would stop the whole fist. If I throw a big chunk of wood at you and you use a staff to block do you ask why the wood didn't phase through? O__O Not to mention Shanks blocked Akainu out of surprise so it's not like Akainu would have known beforehand to manipulate his magma accordingly.
U realise that Akainus attacks like the one where he attacks the entire frozen see (meteor shower thing) is also shaped like fists,i dont see why Akainu would not let his element continue the attack beyond the range his arm has, if he has the option of doing so (would be stupid somehow), be he caught of guard or not, his DF is exactly that and "onepiece defined element".
Moreover magma aint completely solid, its a mix between fluid metal/elements (because of high temperature) and solid ones.
So ur argument with wood is not helping imo since wood is "completely" solid on the outside face (if u discount the water within, which has little effect on its overall solid features, when compared to magma).
http://mangaseeonlin...575-page-4.html Here u clearly see that while attacking akainu has "fluid" magma around him far beyond his normal body shape! Once more signifying its fluid+solid characteristics.
http://mangaseeonlin...575-page-5.html Not only with Shanks but also with Marco u see how Akainus magma splashes around, thus if not defended against with Haki it would DEFINATELY continue its path vs Shanks IF ONLY Shanks' sword were the reason why Shanks was able to defend against Magma/Akainu, that for me makes it highly likely that it is indeed Shanks' haki, which shields him from Akainus attack, so ur statement the sword is the reason for it is pretty much disproven for me, because Marco does not use a sword, yet he blocks Akainu pretty similar (talking about how the endresult is pictured, not how it's done, since sword defense =/= foot defense) to how Shanks does it.
Why u ask, because just like the magma that splashes around when Marco defs, exactly that magma would not splash around 90° but move straight ahead to Shanks, since his sword would only protect Shanks at the face it connects to the magma, the rest would simply continue to flow toward Shanks.
And the part with being caught of guard is not valid enough for me too (in the sense we r discussing here) since just like with Shanks he was also caught of guard by Marco yet the magma still splashed.
The elephant foot bounced back from hitting his hand because his hand is too hard/tough thanks to CoA. It's not that there's a shield, like Barty's barrier, separating his hand and the elephant. You misunderstand the visual. That thing around the hand means there's an impact. Now if you mean the CoA ''layer'', well, Hardening should be one and yet Luffy's still affected. That's why I'm wondering whether Hardening cancels out Hardening
To bolded: Thats what i am unsure of myself, since post TS is done differently,or rather say the frequency of the usages are extremely different imo. But when it comes to ur argument that its not a shield, i would say the exact opposite (talking about the invisible arnament, which was why i said before Shanks, Ray-san use haki different from how Luffy does). To me the way Ray-san explained it its exactly that. He even talks about armor. The difference is that Shanks, Marco and Ray san generate that armor NOT ON their body like Luffy does, but on an area they choose. That would also explain why Sentomaru and the Boa sisters had a "visual shield" that was greater than the point the attack Luffy used connected to, just as Ray-sans shield is greater than his hand, and just as Shanks shield is protecting him from a greater AOE that his sword has a face to protect him from, since Sakas fist is clearly far bigger than the connecting surface he has with the sword, and because without a bigger AOE the "fluid magma" would still continue its path like presented before.
But as i said, its just how i understand it, u might be right and i misunderstand the visuals given, but so far i still think that it is the way i think it is, otherwise especially Ray-san haki explanation would need to be disregarded on a too big scale for even Oda, who did it with certain intent, to justify.
sry but i am a bit confused with the coloured part, since i am unsure what exactly u try to point out with this.
Boo and when Luffy hit Trebol
Ahh true thx.
Edited by capu, 09 October 2018 - 02:24 AM.
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