I did say: "which i believe", thus making it clear that it is nothing but an opinion i have, which has not yet been proven or disproven, i think.
And baseless belief is what I'm saying
U realise that that part is adressed in @Tale 's quote, dont u?
I Simply did not want to adress it at that stage, thus doing it twice, i pretty much do so in my answer to said poster...
...I'm talking what that means for the part you quoted from me, not its veracity LOL
And you did do it twice, talking about how magma is stopped as if against a shield
since the splash is clearly armored againt in a far greater area than the swords conecting surface has face. Thus the magma fist, if only the sword was the reason for the defense would have simply moved forward and still hit shanks but in contrast it was completely stopped and not only on the connecting face between magma and sword.
Which doesn't address my question about its effectiveness. It just explains you think CoA can be like a barrier.
And no i dont challange the fact that CoA has not been shown to overcome all DF abilites....
Didn't say you did. Not sure why you felt the need to clarify such thing.
i dont see why Akainu would not let his element continue the attack beyond the range his arm has, if he has the option of doing so (would be stupid somehow)
Not to mention Shanks blocked Akainu out of surprise so it's not like Akainu would have known beforehand to manipulate his magma accordingly.
Moreover magma aint completely solid, its a mix between fluid metal/elements (because of high temperature) and solid ones.
So ur argument with wood is not helping imo since wood is "completely" solid on the outside face (if u discount the water within, which has little effect on its overall solid features, when compared to magma).
Again, already said
And what? CoA lets you hit Logia as if they are solid.
http://mangaseeonlin...575-page-5.html Not only with Shanks but also with Marco u see how Akainus magma splashes around, thus if not defended against with Haki it would DEFINATELY continue its path
And the part with being caught of guard is not valid enough for me too (in the sense we r discussing here) since just like with Shanks he was also caught of guard by Marco yet the magma still splashed.
...His attack vs Marco isn't the giant fist he did vs Shanks...it already had fluid, splashing magma before it hit Marco...
Also he was just attacked by Marco and Vista before so not the same caught off-guard as vs Shanks''
He even talks about armor.
Because that's what CoA is like? Hardening is not like an armor? O__o He was comparing their usefulness
That would also explain why Sentomaru and the Boa sisters had a "visual shield" that was greater than the point the attack Luffy used connected to, just as Ray-sans shield is greater than his hand
That's just pre-TS visual representation. Oda found Hardening post-TS or maybe a retcon. And that visual representation is exactly what I said: impact. It doesn't mean a shield. It's not just One Piece but in other manga, too. It's just a universal manga thing like sfx, spark near head that means the characters notice something and stuffs
sry but i am a bit confused with the coloured part, since i am unsure what exactly u try to point out with this.
If Hardening cannot block then why making a shield is any different? Hardening is also like an armor that should prevent the element to come into contact with your body in the first place but it didn't.
Which is why the question is whether Hardening cancels Hardening or CoA is useless period vs elements' properties. Whether it's in the form of armor or shield is not the point.