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#41 D.Hyuga

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 04:53 PM

Or Hawkins let him escape.


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Posted 13 November 2018 - 07:18 PM

Yep, Hawkins is playing his role well, but I definitely feel he is just waiting for his moment to turn on Kaido.  I don't buy Hawkins unable to capture Law without his powers active.  While he is "going after" Luffy and the others, he is showing them the ropes.  Now Law knows about their seastone capabilities, for example.   


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Posted 13 November 2018 - 07:49 PM

Or Hawkins let him escape.


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Posted 13 November 2018 - 11:40 PM

With Law's power, swapping Luffy out of prison is easy. Unless Kaidou put a Calamity there to protect the jail...


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 09:14 AM

You can see Nail isn't that deep inside of Law so he probably just took it off asap, blocked Hawkins attack, Room and shambled away


And Hawkins couldn't follow him with CoO because?

I didn't mind Hawkins failing the first time, but this is the second time he has lost law...... he needs to stop failing...
 
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Posted 14 November 2018 - 01:27 PM

And Hawkins couldn't follow him with CoO because?
I didn't mind Hawkins failing the first time, but this is the second time he has lost law...... he needs to stop failing...

This is assuming his intention isn’t to fail.
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Posted 15 November 2018 - 04:18 AM

Hawkin choosing whoever is the winning side, that’s why he successfully dodge kaido
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Posted 15 November 2018 - 07:53 AM


And Hawkins couldn't follow him with CoO because?
Wait has it been confirmed that Hawkins is a CoO user? 

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Posted 15 November 2018 - 11:17 AM

will there be a chapter this week?



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Posted 15 November 2018 - 11:26 AM

will there be a chapter this week?


Nope, remember it said was going on break on the last page. No new chapter until next week

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Posted 15 November 2018 - 02:20 PM

Wait has it been confirmed that Hawkins is a CoO user?


No but I am old enough to remember when a NW captain without haki was considered garbage by you lot....
 
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Posted 15 November 2018 - 02:35 PM

No but I am old enough to remember when a NW captain without haki was considered garbage by you lot....

Having no CoO =/= having no haki at all, he could have CoA/CoC, moreover his CoO might just be real weak when it comes to its range i.e. ...



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Posted 20 November 2018 - 08:56 AM

Having no CoO =/= having no haki at all, he could have CoA/CoC, moreover his CoO might just be real weak when it comes to its range i.e. ...

If usopp has haki, which he doesn't, it would be easily enough to follow law with the range he showed. This means you are telling me the weakest sh has better haki then Hawkins. (Ignore that arguement if, like me, you don't believe usopp has haki, he clearly doesn't and you are insane if you think the weakest sh has haki)

Ok so then we can both agree either Hawkins has garbage haki(weaker then fodder priest satori), which makes him a disappointment of a NW captain, or he forgot how to use it and that makes him a disappointment of a NW captain.


There seems to be a theme of kiadou being a really understanding captain. Jack screwed up rescuing dd, then he screwed up getting the ninja, then he screwed up killing an elephant and lost a ton of ships. Then he got cut by fodder. Yet kiadou has not demoted him or burtilized him or even really acknowledged his failure.

Hawkins has failed to capture luffy and zoro, failed to capture law twice, he told kiadou the sh were in the castle which kiadou blew up, only for luffy to be no where near the castle.

Why is kiadou so forgiving and reasonable? Even bm, who's crew is her own children, killed opera, threatened to kill peros if he lied about the cake, and demoted snacks for losing a single battle.......

So from where I am standing kiadou the insane monster is really forgiving. Where bm the character many people thought wasn't even evil..... is the more harsh one.

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Posted 20 November 2018 - 03:18 PM


If usopp has haki, which he doesn't, it would be easily enough to follow law with the range he showed. This means you are telling me the weakest sh has better haki then Hawkins. (Ignore that arguement if, like me, you don't believe usopp has haki, he clearly doesn't and you are insane if you think the weakest sh has haki)
I wont start arguing whether what Usoop showed is haki or not, but lets pretend he does use haki in that moment. Why u consider that even though Usoop is among the weaker Shs or not does have nothing to do with how good he is as a certain aspect? Each Sh specifys at certain things, with sometimes there being similarities among them, other times they r totally different. We dont expect Usoop to use red hawk, yet fire attacks are among his abilties, just like Sanji uses fire. That Usoop has a  great range with whatever skill it is, does not mean that Hawkins needs to have such range with CoO if u ask me.

 


Ok so then we can both agree either Hawkins has garbage haki(weaker then fodder priest satori), which makes him a disappointment of a NW captain, or he forgot how to use it and that makes him a disappointment of a NW captain.
I might confuse u with another here, but werent u one of those who delibaretly claimed that haki aint all and that there r countless ways to be awesome without it? 90% of Hawkins overall power might be based on his cards, it was implied that they play a big role with him and thus with his overall power. We might have seen shit when it comes to what they r truly capable of (i.e.: card that blocks all properties/advantages a DF grants u).

 


There seems to be a theme of kiadou being a really understanding captain. Jack screwed up rescuing dd, then he screwed up getting the ninja, then he screwed up killing an elephant and lost a ton of ships. Then he got cut by fodder. Yet kiadou has not demoted him or burtilized him or even really acknowledged his failure.
What has that to  do with Hawkins being able to use CoO/haki in generel?

 


he told kiadou the sh were in the castle which kiadou blew up, only for luffy to be no where near the castle.
he had a certain intend at doing that, even Jack agreed that Hawkins made a good call, by not repriminding him for what he did. One of Hawkins main upsides is that is can think unlike most SHs e.g.

 


Why is kiadou so forgiving and reasonable? Even bm, who's crew is her own children, killed opera, threatened to kill peros if he lied about the cake, and demoted snacks for losing a single battle.......
because he does not need to care, he stands at the top of the foodchain...noone actually ever was a threat to him as far as we have seen.  

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 06:04 AM

If usopp has haki, which he doesn't, it would be easily enough to follow law with the range he showed. This means you are telling me the weakest sh has better haki then Hawkins. (Ignore that arguement if, like me, you don't believe usopp has haki, he clearly doesn't and you are insane if you think the weakest sh has haki)

Ok so then we can both agree either Hawkins has garbage haki(weaker then fodder priest satori), which makes him a disappointment of a NW captain, or he forgot how to use it and that makes him a disappointment of a NW captain.


There seems to be a theme of kiadou being a really understanding captain. Jack screwed up rescuing dd, then he screwed up getting the ninja, then he screwed up killing an elephant and lost a ton of ships. Then he got cut by fodder. Yet kiadou has not demoted him or burtilized him or even really acknowledged his failure.

Hawkins has failed to capture luffy and zoro, failed to capture law twice, he told kiadou the sh were in the castle which kiadou blew up, only for luffy to be no where near the castle.

Why is kiadou so forgiving and reasonable? Even bm, who's crew is her own children, killed opera, threatened to kill peros if he lied about the cake, and demoted snacks for losing a single battle.......

So from where I am standing kiadou the insane monster is really forgiving. Where bm the character many people thought wasn't even evil..... is the more harsh one.

 

I wont start arguing whether what Usoop showed is haki or not, but lets pretend he does use haki in that moment. Why u consider that even though Usoop is among the weaker Shs or not does have nothing to do with how good he is as a certain aspect? Each Sh specifys at certain things, with sometimes there being similarities among them, other times they r totally different. We dont expect Usoop to use red hawk, yet fire attacks are among his abilties, just like Sanji uses fire. That Usoop has a  great range with whatever skill it is, does not mean that Hawkins needs to have such range with CoO if u ask me.

 

 

 

I might confuse u with another here, but werent u one of those who delibaretly claimed that haki aint all and that there r countless ways to be awesome without it? 90% of Hawkins overall power might be based on his cards, it was implied that they play a big role with him and thus with his overall power. We might have seen shit when it comes to what they r truly capable of (i.e.: card that blocks all properties/advantages a DF grants u).

 

 

 

What has that to  do with Hawkins being able to use CoO/haki in generel?

 

 

 

he had a certain intend at doing that, even Jack agreed that Hawkins made a good call, by not repriminding him for what he did. One of Hawkins main upsides is that is can think unlike most SHs e.g.

 

 

 

because he does not need to care, he stands at the top of the foodchain...noone actually ever was a threat to him as far as we have seen.  

 

 

Usopp's haki



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Posted 21 November 2018 - 10:15 AM

@captain kidd has stated numerous times he dont believes this to be CoO, but rather soemthing eye/sniper related (iirc).



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Posted 21 November 2018 - 10:53 AM

Usopp's haki


You either don't read my posts or are new here neither of which I say with any anger in my voice. Welcome to OMF.

Thank you capu, ya I have said many times that the fandom as a whole is greatly misinterpertating that scene and that usopp has unlocked some type of "snipers vision" or some other unrelated move. I have 100s of paragraphs of debate dedicated to this point if you care I can give you the highlights of my arguement.
 
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Posted 21 November 2018 - 11:25 AM

You either don't read my posts or are new here neither of which I say with any anger in my voice. Welcome to OMF.

Thank you capu, ya I have said many times that the fandom as a whole is greatly misinterpertating that scene and that usopp has unlocked some type of "snipers vision" or some other unrelated move. I have 100s of paragraphs of debate dedicated to this point if you care I can give you the highlights of my arguement.


I'd rather believe the whole of the fandom. Based on what we know so far it's only logical to assume it's just an early manifestation of CoO rather than some entirely new 'snipers vision' which has never even been eluded to....
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Posted 21 November 2018 - 06:14 PM

I wont start arguing whether what Usoop showed is haki or not, but lets pretend he does use haki in that moment. Why u consider that even though Usoop is among the weaker Shs or not does have nothing to do with how good he is as a certain aspect? Each Sh specifys at certain things, with sometimes there being similarities among them, other times they r totally different. We dont expect Usoop to use red hawk, yet fire attacks are among his abilties, just like Sanji uses fire. That Usoop has a great range with whatever skill it is, does not mean that Hawkins needs to have such range with CoO if u ask me.
I might confuse u with another here, but werent u one of those who delibaretly claimed that haki aint all and that there r countless ways to be awesome without it? 90% of Hawkins overall power might be based on his cards, it was implied that they play a big role with him and thus with his overall power. We might have seen shit when it comes to what they r truly capable of (i.e.: card that blocks all properties/advantages a DF grants u).
What has that to do with Hawkins being able to use CoO/haki in generel?
he had a certain intend at doing that, even Jack agreed that Hawkins made a good call, by not repriminding him for what he did. One of Hawkins main upsides is that is can think unlike most SHs e.g.
because he does not need to care, he stands at the top of the foodchain...noone actually ever was a threat to him as far as we have seen.


That is just a cop out. If I told you akainu has worse CoA then sanji would you just accept that and say "well ya different guys can specialize in different things"
From rey's explanation for haki he said "not doubting ones self, that is strength" and we all know haki comes from will power. So your arguement is that usopp is stronger in the "not doubting one's self department then a NW captain?" And besides, I am not talking about Asia or fodder priest's island levels of coo, all Hawkins needs is to be able to see a few 100 yards ahead of him with coo. That really shouldn't be too much to ask right?

You are right originally that was my stance but i have since changed my mind. Back when CoO's future sight was... well it was enel and the priests and even luffy/boa sister's future sight which could be beat by moving a little faster I didn't care about CoO. But now apparently there is CoO that is so good you cant even touch the user if yours isn't at least near his. CoA can be.... well you don't need emperor level CoA as long as you have a good DF, magellan's comes to mind, but CoO apparently cant be beat unless you also have comparable CoO.

Well my whole point of saying "Hawkins is a disappointment" and ignoring all the "lol Hawkins + law" theories is that I am looking at this objectively and thinking to my self "if I was kiadou, why the hell haven't I punished Hawkins and jack for disappointing me?
 
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Posted 22 November 2018 - 02:49 AM


That is just a cop out. If I told you akainu has worse CoA then sanji would you just accept that and say "well ya different guys can specialize in different things"
From rey's explanation for haki he said "not doubting ones self, that is strength" and we all know haki comes from will power. So your arguement is that usopp is stronger in the "not doubting one's self department then a NW captain?" And besides, I am not talking about Asia or fodder priest's island levels of coo, all Hawkins needs is to be able to see a few 100 yards ahead of him with coo. That really shouldn't be too much to ask right?

I really dont see ur problem with Hawkins sucking at CoO (or haki in generel) in the instances we've seen. First off we know that even Luffy does not use it at all times, we even know that he does not do so always during a fight (remember CoO Luffy at SA, FI, PH vs. CoO Luffy pretty much nonexistant at DR). The situations we've seen might just be him comparable to CoO Luffy at DR.

Nontheless i dont really think that thats the explanation for Hawkins. Simply because the SHs are one of the main pillars of the world currently, does not mean that all the SNs are anywhere close to that, for me the aint only a huge gap between the captains and their 2nd and thirds, no the biggest gap i see when comparing the SN crews with one another, truly lies within the crew itself, and how each and everyone of them specialises, while still having a lot of battles experience and knowledge of the power of numerous powerhouses (chopper, nami, brook, ussop know about nearly all shickis and their lvl, they all have seen an admiral "fight"). I said numerous times that i believe that the SHs have taken a huge leap when compared to the other SNs, not only where some of them trained by people belonging to the top of the world (Ray-sama+Mihawk=certainties when it comes to haki and knowledge, Iva is among the upper (most likely not top) echelons as well).

Furthermore why i believe that this situation was clearly Usoops haki awakening is because in WCI (?) we got to know that haki blossoms/awakens/strenghtens when in dire situation, Usoop fearing to forget all about Luffy, clearly put him at the edge and beyond it, therefore i dont see why it could not have simply been the state of fear/anger/focus/sole concentration that led to Usoop facing a sitation in a way he simple unlocked it.

Kaidou vs Hawkins could have simply ended with Hawkins saying: "ok cards tell me i die if i fight, so i better bow my head and give up on roaming solo by going under kaidous wing". Hawkins in generel, since his databook tells us how calm he is etc alongside the possible usages/advantages of his DF, might simply be someone that never really used/trained his haki since his DF was simply enough for most battles he had been in, unlike with the SHs, whom either have DFs of weaker caliber (Brook is theexception here imo) or have been in so many dire situations that they unconsciously trained their haki far more often, like Luffy did in ID, MF, and the many close to death batltles the Shs simply had had. It is highly doubtful that any other SN has had this many high caliber fights imo. Moreover sucking at CoO still =/= sucking at CoA, while as Kata put it CoO / FS needs calmness (which would mean hawkins should know how to use it when simply going for character traits) it is highly possibly that he learned of the existance of such an ability only just a short (relatively short when compared to Luffy, Zoro, Sanji) time ago, thus he unlike the SHs Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, who got real insight what possible appliances are and how u train it, Hawkins simply needed to figure a lot out by himself, which takes far longer and which in the end leads to ur lvl at that skill being far worse than the one of others.

Moreover i still believe that Hawkins DF/cards are simply this op at times that he really does have a lower need for haki then the other SHs do in generel, would be different if Hawkins had faced roughly equally powerful foes like the SHs did and on a similar constant bases, but because his character traits are so different from the SHs, who rush into every battle, Hawkins would choose running from a far more powerful enemy than he himself is, if the situation allows it, thus he would also not have had enough changes to be driven to the edge and thus train his haki.

 


You are right originally that was my stance but i have since changed my mind. Back when CoO's future sight was... well it was enel and the priests and even luffy/boa sister's future sight which could be beat by moving a little faster I didn't care about CoO.
Well i might be extremely wrong here (skypia is my least favorite arc after foxy thing), but i got the impression that CoO is the main colour the sky poeple lean to in generel, but well this is just a "theory" i somehow stick to since Rays explanation that people tend to lean to one colour or another.

 


but CoO apparently cant be beat unless you also have comparable CoO.
Well if u simply are so fast (both at speed and reaction time) that u simply follow the evasion move of the FS user and hit him there u still should be fine imo. Kata was more than special it was not only the FS that put him ahead but also the timespan he was capable to seeing into the future, i doubt that there are more than 5 people in op with equal mastery of CoO, 3 i could actually see though, Mihawk being titled (according to databook that was originally intended:) as the "clairvoyant" seems a given.

 


Well my whole point of saying "Hawkins is a disappointment" and ignoring all the "lol Hawkins + law" theories is that I am looking at this objectively and thinking to my self "if I was kiadou, why the hell haven't I punished Hawkins and jack for disappointing me?
I understand u well, but since i dont see Hawkins to have FS CoO and atop of that Law having a pretty decent/wide range with his teleportation "jutsu" i would not blame him that much. A point i think  u underrate is that he might have been surprised both times that Law iseven able to teleport and the 2nd time that he got such a range with it (first time he might have thought it was due to speed).




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