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#41 Abaroxa

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 09:32 AM

@Fulmine

How do you know they are innocents? And what we already know about them isn't good either. Guys who readily SOLD their families for money to buy a girl whose job is the so-called ''role-playing for money'' to begin with?

you kind of have a point here but is it wrong to assume they are innocent. When you meet new people do you start by believing they are "bad".
i can twist your point and compare it to people that fall victoms to gambling and addiction. Do you fully blame it on them?
some see casino owners that put no restrictions to its users and drug dealers that sell to children as thr problem. not saying they are but it's not so black and white.

Being the right-hand woman of a mafia boss and have a great hand in master plan to kill and raid people of a whole country isn't worse than playing with some perverted men who are bad enough to sell their families to begin with?

She was on the path of no return but I didn't see her playing with people emotions. Imo the extra part of emotional playing is thr same as torture.

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And that's the question: where do you get Komurasaki is doing those just for her personal gain? This chapter is just flagging at your face the situation isn't what it seems...

awh.. that's true.

What's the connection between the two?

The connection is that if she is willing to destroy so many lives then stick to it and dont throw that pain and suffering, she caused, away.

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 12:33 PM


but is it wrong to assume they are innocent.

It's not wrong, it's just hasty. We know next to nothing about them, besides...they sold their families to buy a girl.

 

 


When you meet new people do you start by believing they are "bad".

Depends on whether there's a reason to. Here? Kinda! Unless you believe those guys actually have back-up plan for their families who were sold, but in that case, what's so hard about also giving Komurasaki benefit of the doubt that she has her own reason?

 

So it's just the same thing I always say: you don't really know until you know.

 

 


i can twist your point and compare it to people that fall victoms to gambling and addiction. Do you fully blame it on them?

Victim? So the premise already has convoluted ''trick'' or specific condition involved, otherwise it's all on the gambler. You don't blame others when you yourself have no control. That's your responsibility. Do you think it makes sense to blame restaurants' existence when you yourself have no determination to not eat what your doctor tells you not to?

 

Anw, being addicted is one thing, selling your child to pay for debt and whatnot means you already cross the line

 

 

 


some see casino owners that put no restrictions to its users and drug dealers that sell to children as thr problem. not saying they are but it's not so black and white.

...That's not just being addicted to gambling anymore LOL

 

 


She was on the path of no return but I didn't see her playing with people emotions. Imo the extra part of emotional playing is thr same as torture.

Emotion or property? Those geezers went crazy because Komurasaki does not love them genuinely or because they have nothing left?

 

Moreover, I am under the impression manipulating and taking people's lives are worse than scam...but oh well...

 

So basically Robin is better simply because she didn't do the kind of crime you hate more, not because she's actually better...

 

 


The connection is that if she is willing to destroy so many lives then stick to it and dont throw that pain and suffering, she caused, away.

Why would saving Otoko throw those suffering away?


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Posted 09 February 2019 - 01:40 PM

I don't know why Oda has so many problems making different looking females.  Had to read this twice just to tell apart when the transition from Robin to Geishabitch happened.  :(  We shouldn't need to use the damn clothes to tell people apart...

 

edited to add:  Omg, reading it a third time Robins clone saves the kid on the same page geisha stands her ground... oh ffs my head hurts now...  thought the ninja appeared because he was confused too...  :glare:

 

 

 

 

The feeling of mysogyny is strong here. When Robin Hood steals from the wealthy and gives to the poor - it's all good (in fact he's a criminal, scum). But when a woman basically does the same (in the scenario you suggested), using her own skillset (deceit as opposed to thievery) - she's utter trash? Yeah. Double standards.

Your rant about Flower Capitol and Flower Country, and you use Washington of all places as an example: Washington State and Washington DC. Already proven that this is not a problem with your own example. And like others said, when spoken - the two sound nothing alike. Just because a translation uses the same words for a single kanji, doesn't mean the original uses the same verbal expressions for both - and by now I hope you understand that Japanese doesn't work like Western Languages.

Really liked the chapter. Orochi isn't a huge threat, but at least he isn't dumb. It's almost as if Oda is setting him up as a tragic character. Right all along about the current incidents being related to Kinemon's return (albeit fueled without any sources other than his paranoia), but with nobody believing in his convictions.

 

 

 

 

 

But didn't she steal from a poor farmer and give the money to Orochi?  I could be wrong, we have so many new, pointless, and uninteresting people being introduced so fast I can't even keep up with nor have intention of memorizing them when most will be dead or arrested by arc's end.  Even if he wasn't poor though, he sold his family which makes HER responsible for slavery...   :psyduck:


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#44 Fulmine

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Posted 09 February 2019 - 03:18 PM

How the fuck are Robin and Komurasaki similar at all? The clothes and hair styles are different, the dialogue is obvious, and Robin has that distinctive nose (Enel, too, though he has those horizontal lines on it) whereas Komurasaki's lips are quite full

 

The Nami clones are the bad case but again, their clothes and hair style are always there to make a difference

 

 

 


he sold his family which makes HER responsible for slavery... :psyduck:

...so if I beat up my friend and take money to go buy a burger, the burger seller is responsible for my bully and theft? That's some new concept. The seller is at best a scammer when he takes the money and not give me my burger but the method of getting money lies solely on my shoulder duh...


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:48 AM

You and me both. That simply boils down to the fact due to Oda's inability to draw more than two different types of women that are ain't either Robin or Nami clones tbh.

Speaking about Robin, this the first time she has actually done something for a very long while irrc.

Also I am supposed to like or feel sorry for Komursaki after what went down this chapter? Cuz I don't, she's still a lying and manipulative little whore imo.

 

The last color spread with the girls did raise a few eyebrows in the forums...

 

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I don't think you were supposed to feel sympathy for the old guy she swindled...



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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:40 AM

It's not wrong, it's just hasty. We know next to nothing about them, besides...they sold their families to buy a girl.

They didn't sell their families. Lets be real here. They threw their fortunes away, the problem is their families depend on them. Same thing a gambler or a drug addict would do. I say she is something they wanted and she exploited their addiction/need for her.

 

Depends on whether there's a reason to. Here? Kinda! Unless you believe those guys actually have back-up plan for their families who were sold, but in that case, what's so hard about also giving Komurasaki benefit of the doubt that she has her own reason?
 
So it's just the same thing I always say: you don't really know until you know.

But in this scenario they were the victims.
There might be more to them since any wealthy family in a starving country reeks of corruption. Not to mention the fact that they probably turned their backs to the kozuke family when they need them the most. Yet this is just speculation, innocent until proven guilty.
Did we see Komurasaki scamming people. Yes. Then she is guilty.
 
 

Victim? So the premise already has convoluted ''trick'' or specific condition involved, otherwise it's all on the gambler. You don't blame others when you yourself have no control. That's your responsibility. Do you think it makes sense to blame restaurants' existence when you yourself have no determination to not eat what your doctor tells you not to?
 
Anw, being addicted is one thing, selling your child to pay for debt and whatnot means you already cross the line

 Ok.. you keep saying their families were sold. I have to re-read the chapter cuz I didn't get that.
 
 

Emotion or property? Those geezers went crazy because Komurasaki does not love them genuinely or because they have nothing left?
 
Moreover, I am under the impression manipulating and taking people's lives are worse than scam...but oh well...
 
So basically Robin is better simply because she didn't do the kind of crime you hate more, not because she's actually better...

Robin is better because she is better.
Komurasaki did manipulate the geezers into do what she wanted. She went up to them multiple times saying she needs this and that so she could sit settle down.
Robin had a big target in her head. She was betrayed multiple times. She decided to roll with top dogs like croco because she knew he needed her skills. They both distrusted eachother same away it happened with all the other pirates she affiliated with. In the end I don't recall her going against anyone directly or taunting an enemy. Some say if it wasn't for luffy grabbing her she would've lost her grip and fallen to a place of no return. I disagree because she never revealed what she read in that poneglyff.
 
 

Why would saving Otoko throw those suffering away?

Going with the idea that she's ruining families for an ultimate cause, then one more live shouldn't matter. Specially when she is so close to the finish line. (assuming orochi's death is her goal.)


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 11:45 AM


They didn't sell their families. Lets be real here.

Did you read the chapter? Well, to be precise the old dude who had the flashback did. But if Oda is using him to represent all 3...

 

 


But in this scenario they were the victims.

Yeah, so? That and their being bad are not mutually exclusive...

 

 


Did we see Komurasaki scamming people. Yes. Then she is guilty.

Again this does not refute my point in anw...

I did not say Komurasaki did not trick them. I said she might have done it for reasons...

 

 

 


Robin is better because she is better.

Nice logic LOL

 

 


Komurasaki did manipulate the geezers into do what she wanted. She went up to them multiple times saying she needs this and that so she could sit settle down.

I just said she scammed people. So there's no need for you to be a broken record

 

 


Robin had a big target in her head. She was betrayed multiple times.

This does not excuse what she did. Komurasaki on the other hand could still have done something to mitigate the fact that she indirectly threw those people outside of their houses (turned them into slaves or whatever)

 

 


They both distrusted eachother same away it happened with all the other pirates she affiliated with

Irrelevant to the point being discussed

 

 


In the end I don't recall her going against anyone directly or taunting an enemy.

And again, you think Robin is better only because she didn't do what you hate more

 

 


I disagree because she never revealed what she read in that poneglyff.

And? So she has a bit of conscience to not go all the way. That still does not change the fact she had a great hand in nearly demolishing a whole kingdom with millions lives....

 

 


Going with the idea that she's ruining families for an ultimate cause, then one more live shouldn't matter. Specially when she is so close to the finish line. (assuming orochi's death is her goal.)

Taking this at surface value: Otoko is apparently just not one of her target so why let her die?

Thinking deep a bit: if we go with the idea she has some ultimate motive that is masked so far, then why think saving Otoko is not just another step towards that motive?

 

And LOL what? You just said you find Robin better cause in the end she did not go full crazy and help Crococdiel all the way by revealing what's on the Poneglyph, yet Komurasaki seemingly does the same thing, not letting Otoko die, should be condemned? Not that they are similar because once again, Robin's ultimate goal does not excuse her action and she had no way to revert them. Komurasaki's might and she still has every chance in the world to correct it, assuming she didn't already. And then again, scamming is still way less than making millions lives go to waste...


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 12:28 PM

Did you read the chapter? Well, to be precise the old dude who had the flashback did. But if Oda is using him to represent all 3...

Just re-read the chapter and that sentence totally escaped my eyes. I thought you were saying it metaphorically in terms of ruining its family fortune.
Yes, it gives a new flavour to this discussion but does not change the fact that komurosaki was already half way through her plan.



Yeah, so? That and their being bad are not mutually exclusive...

Doing something wrong for a bad person does not make it right.



And again, you think Robin is better only because she didn't do what you hate more

And? So she has a bit of conscience to not go all the way. That still does not change the fact she had a great hand in nearly demolishing a whole kingdom with millions lives....

If I dive into this one I better be prepared. I will do a re read of robin backstory and her inputs in the alabasta arc.
I'll come back to this one in due time. But I stand on the fact that she was only affiliated with the people pulling the trigger and coming up with machiavellic plans to overturn kingdoms/governments.
komurasaki is the one coming up with this plans. As far as we know.
The same thing could have been said about pudding if she was the one behind sanji manipulation. We later found out she was being ordered by BM and that being controlled by her mother was bothering her. That's why we kind of forgave her.
Komurosaki better come up with a killer excuse.


Again this does not refute my point in anw...
I did not say Komurasaki did not trick them. I said she might have done it for reasons...

And LOL what? You just said you find Robin better cause in the end she did not go full crazy and help Crococdiel all the way by revealing what's on the Poneglyph, yet Komurasaki seemingly does the same thing, not letting Otoko die, should be condemned? Not that they are similar because once again, Robin's ultimate goal does not excuse her action and she had no way to revert them. Komurasaki's might and she still has every chance in the world to correct it, assuming she didn't already. And then again, scamming is still way less than making millions lives go to waste...

Robin reached her goal which was to get the poneglyph. Saving Luffy in the desert was a reckless thing but she didn't get caught. Imagine if she had given the antidote or saved luffy in front of crocodile. That would have sealed her chances of get to her goal which in turn led her to be a SH.

Yeah she had her reasons but after scamming those guys for enel-sama knowns how long you could have turn the other cheek. Just this once.
Imagine if her plan was to retrieve the kozuki poneglyphs. Now she has no chance of getting them. Not alone at least.



Taking this at surface value: Otoko is apparently just not one of her target so why let her die?
Thinking deep a bit: if we go with the idea she has some ultimate motive that is masked so far, then why think saving Otoko is not just another step towards that motive?

Damn. Good point

Edited by Abaroxa, 12 February 2019 - 03:25 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2019 - 02:00 AM


Doing something wrong for a bad person does not make it right.

Assuming it's something wrong. Unless you go full legal (only government and official related departments can handle crimes and citizens aren't allowed to just get revenge as they see fit), which I would agree in real life matters but in this context I think is pretty weird considering this is a pirate manga plus specifically in this case the island is rigged with pirate control and you yourself can even tolerate Robin, this is merely retribution. If they are that kind of bad people, that is.

 

Again, this is nothing compared to Robin or motherfucking Luffy releasing a bunch of criminals for the sake of his own brother. We know with Buggy and gagforce Oda will turn most of those prisoners into harmless shit but that's us, readers with knowledge, not Luffy who has not broken the 4th wall.

 

 


But I stand on the fact that she was only affiliated with the people pulling the trigger and coming up with machiavellic plans to overturn kingdoms/governments.

Planning the dirty things and actually getting your hands dirty are just separated by a fine line. You have full knowledge of what you're going to cause regardless.

 

 


We later found out she was being ordered by BM and that being controlled by her mother was bothering her. That's why we kind of forgave her.

Sure, Pudding. But that's not what happen to Robin LOL

 

 


Robin reached her goal which was to get the poneglyph. Saving Luffy in the desert was a reckless thing but she didn't get caught. Imagine if she had given the antidote or saved luffy in front of crocodile. That would have sealed her chances of get to her goal which in turn led her to be a SH.

 

Yeah she had her reasons but after scamming those guys for enel-sama knowns how long you could have turn the other cheek. Just this once.
Imagine if her plan was to retrieve the kozuki poneglyphs. Now she has no chance of getting them. Not alone at least.

This is irrelevant. We're talking about the morality and ethics, not how well they achieve their goals. As I said, by your own logic, Komurasaki is actually not without conscience since she tried to save Otoko just like Robin didn't fully cooperate with Croc at the end. Whetherr that will ruin her plan or not does not matter.


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Posted 13 February 2019 - 03:14 AM

Not the best chapter. I kind of wish the chapter would have focused a bit more on Sanji's fight as that was getting really interesting, but the story cut away just as it was escalating. Would have been more interesting than some of the stuff we got. I did like that Robin was smart enough to at least use a clone to go searching in the castle, but it looks like it only bought her a little time before being found again. It still made me wonder if she could have changed the appearance of her clone some to help disguise her maybe. Still, I'm guessing she will escape as the battle in the castle starts up. Maybe Nami and the ninja woman will be able to get her out in the chaos.

 

Also it looks like it is confirmed Komurasaki is Momo's sister. A bit disappointing as I haven't really found Komurasaki that interesting yet and I think Momo's sister could have been more interesting if used differently. Plus the whole idea that their mother wouldn't send her forward in time too and she ended up as a prostitute seems kind of weird. I would bet that they will probably explain away why she scammed men out of their money and find a way to redeem her, but I dunno. Maybe Oda can make her more interesting later but so far her story feels like one of the weaker parts of Wano. I'm more interested in Kyoshiro so far and how he fits into things rather than Komurasaki.

 

I do like that Orochi fully believes the legend and is worried about it while everyone else thinks he is crazy. It is a nice little aspect to his character as he probably saw Oden's wife send the samurai into the future or something happened when he fought Oden that made him believe. So I am interested in seeing what exactly happened when Oden died. Also I want to see what special abilities his mythical zoan has too still.


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Posted 13 February 2019 - 05:55 AM


9 Red Scabbard have extraordinary strength and Kin'emon was the leader? You mean the guy who was utterly shocked by Zolo cutting Pica?
Well he could have been the leader because he was the brain of the group not because he was a powerhouse.
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Posted 13 February 2019 - 07:33 AM

Well he could have been the leader because he was the brain of the group not because he was a powerhouse.

 

You mean that "brilliant" guy pachah1.png

 

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 07:53 AM

Assuming it's something wrong. Unless you go full legal (only government and official related departments can handle crimes and citizens aren't allowed to just get revenge as they see fit), which I would agree in real life matters but in this context I think is pretty weird considering this is a pirate manga plus specifically in this case the island is rigged with pirate control and you yourself can even tolerate Robin, this is merely retribution. If they are that kind of bad people, that is.

Again Komurosaki better come up with a killer excuse.
maybe what she did isn't as awful as I've been portraying given the op-verse and specially because of the state of wano and its history.
I know that she didn't kill or force anyone for her gains. She did scam people and they had the choice of simply leaving the capital which for them is the same as dying. This can be a indication that they see everything outside flower capital as trash. I can theorise on their lack of loyalty towards the kouzuki family, perhaps even a betrayal.
 

Again, this is nothing compared to Robin or motherfucking Luffy releasing a bunch of criminals for the sake of his own brother. We know with Buggy and gagforce Oda will turn most of those prisoners into harmless shit but that's us, readers with knowledge, not Luffy who has not broken the 4th wall.

Zoro has an awesome quote about this. Don't remember exactly when he said it our how he said it. Something like "Don't thank me or my crew we didn't intend to save and help you, you were on the path to our goal". He said this as someone was thanking the SH's. The SH's crew are mostly like this, they will help someone as long as it benefits them (excluding nami and chopper helping the kids in PH and some others). So far it has worked in their favour as they have gone mostly against corrupt and bad people. This means they are on the right side of morals most of the time.
 
 
 

Planning the dirty things and actually getting your hands dirty are just separated by a fine line. You have full knowledge of what you're going to cause regardless.

Was baroque work a group thing were all weighted on the final plan or was it croco planning and assigning different roles to each member.
Yeah robin knew what croco was doing but wasn't the fate of alabasta outside of her capabilities. 
 
 

This is irrelevant. We're talking about the morality and ethics, not how well they achieve their goals. As I said, by your own logic, Komurasaki is actually not without conscience since she tried to save Otoko just like Robin didn't fully cooperate with Croc at the end. Whetherr that will ruin her plan or not does not matter.

I think it matters a lot.
zoro quote: "When I decided to follow my dream, I had already discarded my life."
The day she decided to follow her plan, she had already discarded her morals and ethics.
You are still labeled immoral regardless of the outcome. You might as well get it done.

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 08:40 AM

You mean that "brilliant" guy https://www.narutoforums.org/styles/nf/s...
 


but it worked
 

Not the best chapter. I kind of wish the chapter would have focused a bit more on Sanji's fight as that was getting really interesting, but the story cut away just as it was escalating. Would have been more interesting than some of the stuff we got. I did like that Robin was smart enough to at least use a clone to go searching in the castle, but it looks like it only bought her a little time before being found again. It still made me wonder if she could have changed the appearance of her clone some to help disguise her maybe. Still, I'm guessing she will escape as the battle in the castle starts up. Maybe Nami and the ninja woman will be able to get her out in the chaos.
 
Also it looks like it is confirmed Komurasaki is Momo's sister. A bit disappointing as I haven't really found Komurasaki that interesting yet and I think Momo's sister could have been more interesting if used differently. Plus the whole idea that their mother wouldn't send her forward in time too and she ended up as a prostitute seems kind of weird. I would bet that they will probably explain away why she scammed men out of their money and find a way to redeem her, but I dunno. Maybe Oda can make her more interesting later but so far her story feels like one of the weaker parts of Wano. I'm more interested in Kyoshiro so far and how he fits into things rather than Komurasaki.
 
I do like that Orochi fully believes the legend and is worried about it while everyone else thinks he is crazy. It is a nice little aspect to his character as he probably saw Oden's wife send the samurai into the future or something happened when he fought Oden that made him believe. So I am interested in seeing what exactly happened when Oden died. Also I want to see what special abilities his mythical zoan has too still.

Don't think we will see the end of Sanjis fight.

I'm more inclined into komurosaki being kinemon daughter. Was Odin a samurai?

Orochi believes the legend but as far as we know he hasn't made any preparations for it.
Kaido is preparing for a war with the rest of the world, still has is crew on alert.
Orochi trusts too much on kaido. I wanna see a betrayal in the series.

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 08:47 AM


Still, I'm guessing she will escape as the battle in the castle starts up. Maybe Nami and the ninja woman will be able to get her out in the chaos.

Honestly i am guessing that the Shogun and his forces will be taken down pretty soon. I mean if Hawkins and Kyoshiro turn on Kaidou/the Shogun not only will they themselfs be huge possible powerups for the SHH alliance but also their crew/underlings. Currently the enemy consists of fodder, 11 Ninjas, Drake, Page1 and the Shogun himself (and mayhaps Hawkins), i  can totally see that to be roughly equal,  a little stronger (thus justifying a progress amongst the SHs if need for an all out, prolonged battle is there) or weaker to Zoro (who is in the vincinity after all), Sanji, Robin, Brook, Nami, Shinobu, Law (is his crew around as well?), Hawkins (+underlings), Kyoshiro (+underlings) and Komurasaki. I simply dont see how this confrontation is not going to happen, after how careful Oda put them all together and after how he already made there to be several battle fronts, which already escalated. 

 

The downfall of the Shogun would be huge news and the followers (even those in doubt) would understand that the prophesy was real after all and that the Kouzoki indeed have returned. Moreover since news of the attack on Kaidou has already spread (attack in Kuri vs Jack, attack at capital by Sanji vs mafia, attack of Zoro vs several and the paper which got distributed by Usoop and others of the incoming event at onigashima (or however the residence of Kaidou was called)) this would further their resolve and thus the number of folks allying with the SHsHMINKS,NINJA etc..

 


Also it looks like it is confirmed Komurasaki is Momo's sister.

I am still hesitant to the claim of it being confirmed, she could just be the daughter of some government official under the Kozouki, who got slain during the rebellion after all. Moreover a "distant" relation like aunt 2nd grade (dont know the term in english) is still within the scope of possibility as well imo. No need for her to actually be the sister, but as u said there r several things hinting at that to be the case.

 


Plus the whole idea that their mother wouldn't send her forward in time too and she ended up as a prostitute seems kind of weird.

One of the problems i have with the sister "theory".

 


I'm more interested in Kyoshiro so far and how he fits into things rather than Komurasaki.

Somethign just came to mind. What if he is the actual witching hour boy (or rather say his 2nd in command, doing what he does because of his order). Yakuza where once a opposite force of the WG caring for the ones that needed help, him being an outward ally of the Shogun but in reality opposing him where possible and garthring the "leftovers" thus forming an independant army right under the Shoguns eyes and having Komurasaki as his ally could turn out pretty well.

 


I do like that Orochi fully believes the legend and is worried about it while everyone else thinks he is crazy.

Same here. Finally a "smarter" character who does not underestimate his enemies immensly. I mean we had Moria, Croc, DD, CC, CP9, BM (to a point, since essentially the SHs still where nowhere close to actually defeat her for real), all vastly underestimated their opponents which let to their downfall. 

 

Quick question since i have heard different interpretations by now: Did the Shogun actually defeat Oden or was it done by Kaidou?     

 

You mean that "brilliant" guy https://www.narutoforums.org/styles/nf/s...

 

can't see the image...

 


Zoro has an awesome quote about this. Don't remember exactly when he said it our how he said it. Something like "Don't thank me or my crew we didn't intend to save and help you, you were on the path to our goal".
I think what u referring to happened at DR but aint sure either.

 


I'm more inclined into komurosaki being kinemon daughter.
Interesting idea. I would certainly like it more than her being Momos sister.

 


Was Odin a samurai?
On some instances he was referred as such iirc.

 


Orochi trusts too much on kaido. I wanna see a betrayal in the series.
I think the betrayal part will happen within the SNG fleet later on (as to say by none of the current allies, except maybe Law, then again he aint part of the SNGrand fleet (at least as of yet)).

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#56 Fulmine

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 10:58 AM

Well he could have been the leader because he was the brain of the group not because he was a powerhouse.

that's even less impressive given how the dude helped nothing in Dresrosa...unless he was too scared to get involved


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Posted 13 February 2019 - 11:34 AM

but it worked
 

 

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@capu

Its jut Kinemon "disguised" as DD...


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Posted 13 February 2019 - 01:31 PM

 

Should I remind you which manga you're reading again?



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Posted 13 February 2019 - 03:30 PM

Robin is officially becoming Wano arc's MVP.

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 07:16 PM


Orochi trusts too much on kaido. I wanna see a betrayal in the series.

 

Orochi is Macbeth character, Oda is probably trying to copy Kurosawa with his adaptation.






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