But for real. I like OP.
So do i, starting to think its gonna be a past tense (did) soon though...
More op. More fights, more crew interactions, more dramatic scenes, more villians, more df more arcs
See thats the problem. It's been less fights for at least 7 years by now. ONLY Luffy get's fights, when in the past the entire crew got focus..., crew interactions are a goner as well, since most of the time only 3-4 members are around...,more DFs lol, Oda started to reinvent the same abilities at least a decade ago. No need for more DFs if they do exactly the same the last 10 did already...Logia were a thing with the old admirals, but Oda has no sense for the power of an earth or wind logia... preTS lightning was a beastly logia DF, so where the fruits of the admirals, but since TS we got swamp...buja....not....well we also got gas, but it was a weakling/non fighting char who got it so...
But has anyone ever wished there was more flashbacks?
I would hope not, sadly i know many (even in this forum) enjoy flashbacks, dont ask me why, i did not like a single one so far. Although 2-3 were decent admittedly (mayhaps?, at least i'd say Laws was ok, well thinking about it, no more decent ones come to mind, so perhaps its just this one that was decent..).
Ok so all that being said I really dont care at all about anything that happened in this chapter.
Me neither, once more an entire chapter wasted...after the last one being this rubbish i hoped Oda would try to make up for it, but then we get this shi* chap...i fear we now get a thorough Oden life representation with like 20 chaps wasted, just to show us how Kaidou puts him into a pot and boils him... ohh my if i would be told how many chaps this is going on for now, i would skip that number of pages, without reading...
1 it never stops amazing me how real creatures are treated in OP. "I saw a mountain move. Weird... moving on...." "oh no a mountain god" freaking ridiculous. That is an actual thing, it is an adult white boar. Why.... why do they act this way? I am just at a loss for words at how stupid these people are. It isn't a "mountain god" it is a damn animal. The white boar isnt a harold of the gods it is a baby animal. Is oda making these people morons for the surprise reveal at the end or is everyone in op just a moron?
definately the latter...they all r morons...i mean just take a look at the main character... he is even worse than the "ordinary" moron...
2 oden looks.... freaking hilarious. The dude is wearing a skirt. He has a comically oversized knot on his back and a dish on his head. I am sure he looks like the coolest guy in Japan so good for him. But he looks like a clown in all western societies.
see this is why i like ur posts we agree on a lot! i wonder when we will see the next crossdressing samurai...NOT. Those japanese folks totally got some screws loose.
I have been reading OP for over 10 years and I’m sure you have read it for a long time too. Yet it seems you only read this for fights scenes and instant gratification.
No u misunderstand, first off even if fights are what some people, might enjoy most, that does in no way mean they dont enjoy a good plot. Thing is plot sucks and aint moving forward at all currently. Instead we deliberately get crying wusses Oda wants us to care about, instead of a tag-team event with the entire crew having their reason/justification as to why they r crewmembers (because they are funny, needed each with his own skillset, in order to protect thir captain from foes he himslf cant beat (Usoop's words)) we only get the same old shit centering Luffy. Instead of a battle being planned through we get the same old tactics from morons. Rush in, fight, win... there aint anyone who actually plans a battle in op (only at MF with Sengoku, and he retired....and like the lucky shot Law had with crippling Kaidou, by beating DD (and thats where the "plan" already ended, at the very beginning of what people could call a plan)). Begin a war with the strongest thing alive and dont think it threw....thats how stupid op is! Where is the so called character development most Oda defenders always speak off? Learn from ur mistakes is also maturing, yet that is exactly what OP lacks...
To readers who actually invested time and money into this series, the world building and character development are important too. I’ve been waiting to see Wano for years
What makes u think that only those who invest money or only those who dont enjoy fights are capable of enjoying world building and character development? Pretty biased view dont u think?
And yes i too have been waiting to see Wano start for more than a decade, its the arc i always was most interested in. And Oda fuc*s it up hard. Nothing noteworthy happended so far, for as long as this arc has been going its the most boring by far. Shogun is a completely waste of a samurai character, and it aint funny that Oda choose to make him a clown! Its the biggest dehype with which Oda ever managed to fuc* up and entire arc! All other characters we got to know are morons/weaklings as well. Good thing another yonkou joined...NOT! With the allies the SHs currently have, they still have 0 chance vs Kaidou and his crew alone (after all Kaidou 1shotted Luffy...), then Oda decides to throw in even more, i mean another yonkou, really? Congratulations, if u dont critizise this too, then u dont understand how terrible Oda just fuc*ed up the character developement, by giving each character less screentime because a few hundred important ones just entered the fray... and u speak about world building, laughable, Oda just destroyed a lot of world building by having 2 out of 5 main antagonists be at 1 place...
Like in this flashback we already see that Denjiro has Wado Ichimonji on his back
That this is Wado aint certain, it has similartites but there are differences too. youtubers have analysed this and found enough differences to doubt those 2 to be the same.
We get a flashback with a prominent member of Rogers crew. That is significant.
Why a flahsback?, just let Kinemon tell us the story and safe space! Needless dragging of the plot! Same with the GR flashback, we already knew every single detail that we got during that senseless chapter, yet u enjoy world building? perhaps confuse it with retelling the same old shit again, over and over? Kinemon could have told us all the important info in 1 chap, now we will have like 10-20 chaps with most likely less plot-content...
I know Oda has skipped a few fight scenes and it could be frustrating, but if only read this for fights and drama every chapter better to just read or watch Dragon Ball.
A few? really? EVERY SINGLE FIGHT except Luffys where skipped, unless they where 2paged skirmishes at best, non exist where a non-Luffy-SH had to go all out! and even some of Luffys where skipped, i might add. 8 years the last all out SH (entire crew) battle took place, and u complain about some skips? dude start reading op for real!
R u fuc*ing serious? Its time us and not u people get to enjoy the story again, and let me tell u, i have been reading op for more than 18 years! disregard this boring ... well world building and character devolopement (which for someoone smart is easy found to be nonexistant in current op story!) and stop doing senseless/stupid things grow the fuc* up and let luffy for once not do the same mistakes he already did back at alabasta! where is ur character development? Tell me what has changed? Did Luffy not rush Kaidou just like he rushed everyone else preTS? Tell me what has changed? Answer is nothing, Chopper, Luffy, still retards... what development u speak of? Usoop, still a coward...where is ur so called development? Sanji, still getting an orgasm about every single woman (even female animals by now) he sees, where is ur character development? Start reading OP for real and stop defending Oda for the shi* he does lately!
Ohh wait thre acutally was char development, Zoro gave away Shuusui for no reason.... yet refused to take the 2nd gen Kitetsu... that pretty contradictory...
no wait its simply bad writing when one remembers the respect Zoro had for Ryuma... but Odalovers dont care....about writing a shi* story, destorying the entire former attitude of a char needlessly...
OP has its critiques, but you are just fishing for things to hate on. Oda doesn’t care about Western Society opinion on clothes. This is a Japanese manga. He is wearing old Japanese attire, you are from the West but read manga so why do you care so much about his clothes? Just to let you know, not everyone around the world dresses like a they are from the West. This is 40 years ago flashback. As for his hair, yeah it is goofy looking and I’m sure Oda did that on purpose just like he does for many goofy looking characters in this series. Not going to tell you how you should think about a character design but it seems you are just mad he doesn’t have thin nose and boring hair style. Not everyone has to have a thin nose and typical anime face. You just hate on everything you can find to hate on, don’t you?
So u dont think wearing a plate for a hat is stupid? Tell me which japanese people did wear a plate on the head???? NONE!!! This is not describing the samurai era at all, its simply looks stupid and Oda choose that for himself, not because its japanese fashion! Although i dont really care for looks, i just wanted to show u how little basis there is for ur line of arguementation.
Funny we finally get to see Wano and perhaps get more info on the void century, the actual One Piece and many important things that have been lingering on in the series and you just complain we don’t get to see a big fight. For someone who has read this for so long, isn’t that a bit dense?
We r 60 chapters into the story of Wano, considering its lentgh, we never have had this little information in an arc that was meant to give us some. U wanna wait for another 200 chaps until we finally get to hear about the poneglyphs again? i dont! we got literally no info about the content of BMs stones either, Brook is still carrying them in his head or what? again where is the plot moving like at all currently? Orochi could have been attacked when he moved to Onigashima and the capital could have been taken over by now, instead we got NO PLOT PROGRESS AT freaking ALL! U finally understand how much OP sucks currently? Its nothing but senseless dragging of a plot!
This series has been around since the 90’s. There are many mysteries that need to be shown. There are more important things than fights. If you want instant gratification and drama from action scenes, go read a manga for 12 year olds. Or go watch the Avengers or something. Fights don’t give us the information that we need as readers. One Piece is a long series and it’s a long process. Oda isn’t going to throw his masterpiece out the window for a few cheap action scenes. Just to please casual readers who don’t even support the series financially, even though they have the means to. Sure it’s been frustrating having a few scenes skipped over, but overall I’m not going to complain to much. If Oda gives us a few answers to things we’ve been waiting to see and know for literally years.
Another post like the one before.... Tell me where is ur so called plot moving to in the current flashback??? How can the current plot go onward when the flashback is about things that happened 40 years ago? Why can only a flashback present us such information instead of i.e. a scabbard? How is info the reader gets helping the SHs, who dont know about said flashback?
BTW u dont seem to know this but op is actually an adventure AND ACTION manga....Oda simply gives a fuc* about the action part lately, which is what makes many fans furious, since its a complete change of what the manga was about for more than a decade..
But the fights are clearly and indisputably being cut short. Oda even admitted to thay in an interview. Now I have been reading op long enough to remember when sanji zoro and luffy would all get fights worth reading. In the last 3 arc only luffy got a fight worth reading.
EXACTLY but those wannabe plot lovers/ world building / character development folks, unlike us, dont grant others the room for us to have fun, they insist on telling us they r cut short (when its the other way around), or we should read something else, those selfish ignorants.
Even just critizism aint no longer applicable without others complaining about how little we actually know about the manga, when we can directly underline our view by arguements and the actual route the manga is taking compared to how it once was...
Now this may come as a surprise to you. But OP is an action adventure manga.
they completely ignore the action part, for them its ONLY an adventure manga...i dont recall how often i told some, thats its an action manga too, yet they still bring the same old world building/character development arguements...fun fact for them there is ZERO character development within the SHs... they really seem to lack proper reading skills....
Ok. So. Now own to your substantive comments.
1 how is he ruining his pacing.... oh I dont freaking know... maybe because he did something like this
3 chapters ago- It is time to attack kiadou let's go!!!!!
2 chapters ago- oh no the boats were destroyed in a vicious attack last night, want to see how it happened?
1 chapter ago- oh but before we can see any of that here is a man in a skirt.
So over the course of 3 chapters we went from going to attack wano, to skirt man flashbacks. If that isnt a break in pacing I dont know what is...
Hush now our "critics" cant deal with arguements. They will only tell us how much the plot will be moving because of something that happened x years ago, with no SH getting bored by it, since its a flashback they dont see, thus without consequence in the current plotline, but hey they dont mind...its plot for plots sake they want and thats what they get...
You know how I know he can do that? BECAUSE THATS WHAT HE DID FOR THE FIRST 500 CHAPTERS OF OP!
So get out of here with that "oda can either tell a good story or have fights he cant do both" nonsense.
Sadly it stopped as soon as the TS began, then all that was left was Luffy (rest of the SHs where simply standing by, doing nothing fightingwise (onscreen at least)), as useless side characters, that in the end stopped to matter as soon as their arc was done (preTS Croc,Vivi, CP9, Moria, DD, all still matter, anyone here thinks Hodi will ever matter again?, or how about Katakuri?, a great char, but put on the sideline for Luffys show...CC? will Oda truly reintroduce him? I doubt he cares for one of the only chars that made WCI worth reading...)... BTW is Sanji still considered a nakama? I mean does Oda do so? Then why does he not get to do anything, i mean really ANYTHING?
Edited by capu, 27 October 2019 - 11:41 AM.