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#81 Deathkingdome

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Posted 28 March 2020 - 12:27 PM

You know....primera me as first
Stark is unarguably the first:-P

I beg to differ. It´s clearly Barragan ;)



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Posted 28 March 2020 - 12:41 PM

I beg to differ. It´s clearly Barragan ;)

Last I check he didn't look like had a 1 on his skin

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Posted 28 March 2020 - 05:48 PM

In terms of ability, I think Barragan's is clearly the strongest.

Stark was strong, but at the end of the day Ceros are Ceros. Old-age and time, on the other hand, are heard to fight, and mainly defeat



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Posted 29 March 2020 - 02:51 AM

In terms of ability, I think Barragan's is clearly the strongest.

Stark was strong, but at the end of the day Ceros are Ceros. Old-age and time, on the other hand, are heard to fight, and mainly defeat

Just for fun Im gonna argue this as well. 

 

That probably is very true, but you know...if we look at Kubo's logic when Soifon did her two hit cool and it failed because she didn't have enough reiatsu to kill Aizen that way therefore one could argue Barragan's age power wouldn't be strong enough to kill Stark 



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Posted 29 March 2020 - 04:07 AM

Last I check he didn't look like had a 1 on his skin

I was joking, therefor winky emoji. I was just demonstrating how we did argue about the top 3 espada and who is number one. 



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Posted 29 March 2020 - 09:02 AM

Zero is zero



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Posted 29 March 2020 - 09:55 AM

Just for fun Im gonna argue this as well. 

 

That probably is very true, but you know...if we look at Kubo's logic when Soifon did her two hit cool and it failed because she didn't have enough reiatsu to kill Aizen that way therefore one could argue Barragan's age power wouldn't be strong enough to kill Stark 

But wouldn't Startk's Ceros die out before reaching Barragan? So a tie I guess?



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Posted 29 March 2020 - 12:34 PM

I was joking, therefor winky emoji. I was just demonstrating how we did argue about the top 3 espada and who is number one.

I know xD. Im having fun
 

But wouldn't Startk's Ceros die out before reaching Barragan? So a tie I guess?

possibly

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Posted 29 March 2020 - 05:31 PM

Just for fun Im gonna argue this as well. 

 

That probably is very true, but you know...if we look at Kubo's logic when Soifon did her two hit cool and it failed because she didn't have enough reiatsu to kill Aizen that way therefore one could argue Barragan's age power wouldn't be strong enough to kill Stark 

 

By Kubo's logic, you start counting with 0. By Kubo's logic the supposed strongest of a group can still fight like they're the weakest. We don't put a lot of stock in Kubo logic. "Espada Zero" my ass   :lolxg:


Edited by Blue22, 29 March 2020 - 05:31 PM.

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#90 WaffleCopter

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Posted 29 March 2020 - 05:51 PM

I can't remember which it was, but wasn't it stated that the Espada were ranked on reiatsu or destructive power? If that's the case, then I see it as more of bitter irony that the highest ranked Espada was just a big ball of reiatsu and destructive power with absolutely no fighting abilities outside of that. Of course they'd be taken down by a captain that's one of the most technically gifted captains, and another that lives to fight.

 

Still makes you raise an eyebrow that Yammy releases under the dome, when Ulquiorra said that Espada 4 and up weren't allowed to do that because the sudden reiatsu release would be so powerful that it'd destroy Los Noches.


Edited by WaffleCopter, 29 March 2020 - 05:52 PM.

"Sometimes it's cool to commit crimes."

 

seriously go read Kingdom

 

and listen to Andrew WK

 

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Posted 29 March 2020 - 06:05 PM

I can't remember which it was, but wasn't it stated that the Espada were ranked on reiatsu or destructive power? 

 

Was it? I could be wrong but I don't remember that ever being outright said. Then again, it's been years so I very well could be wrong lol. Still one of the dumbest twists this series has ever pulled.

 

Checks the wiki:

Oh. That's how I never heard that. It was in a databook.

 

Still makes you raise an eyebrow that Yammy releases under the dome, when Ulquiorra said that Espada 4 and up weren't allowed to do that because the sudden reiatsu release would be so powerful that it'd destroy Los Noches.

 

And then there's that. Starting to think Aizen was trolling Yammy when he gave him that rank XD


Edited by Blue22, 29 March 2020 - 06:08 PM.

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#92 Chillman

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Posted 29 March 2020 - 07:30 PM

I don’t think Yammy is the type to listen to rules.

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Posted 29 March 2020 - 07:39 PM

I don’t think Yammy is the type to listen to rules.

The point was more "If Yammy really was powerful enough to be the 0 Espada based on reiatsu alone, why didn't he destroy Los Noches when he released?"


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Posted 29 March 2020 - 10:42 PM

The point was more "If Yammy really was powerful enough to be the 0 Espada based on reiatsu alone, why didn't he destroy Los Noches when he released?"

Because as Blue said Aizen was totally bullshitting 



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Posted 30 March 2020 - 02:02 AM

Because as Blue said Aizen was totally bullshitting 

Probably.


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Posted 30 March 2020 - 04:09 AM

Guys, guys.... Since when were you under the impression that Bleach made sense?


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Posted 31 March 2020 - 01:48 PM

https://youtu.be/8qzH2W_G2MQ

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 02:07 PM

Guys, guys.... Since when were you under the impression that Bleach made sense?

https://www.youtube....h?v=oR7ML6P2D8M

I like this video on the topic



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Posted 31 March 2020 - 06:40 PM

https://www.youtube....h?v=oR7ML6P2D8M

I like this video on the topic

There's something EVERY SINGLE power ranking of the Espada topic leaves out when they do this topic:

 

Hollows are stronger in Hueco Mundo. The density of reishi in the air empowering and feeding Hollows is literally one of the very first observations the crew makes when they reach Hueco Mundo. Chad mentions that he feels the power it grants him before he even knows he has Hollow powers.

 

I have no idea if this would change that much since we don't see every Espada fight in and out of HM, though.


Edited by WaffleCopter, 31 March 2020 - 06:49 PM.

"Sometimes it's cool to commit crimes."

 

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Posted 01 April 2020 - 05:17 AM

Due to all this I found myself re-reading Bleach a couple of nights ago, and I reached a perfect example of what annoyed me in the last arc:

Hitsugaya, Byakuya and Kenpachi VS Gerard.

This fight had incredible moments, from discovering that Hitsugaya grew-up upon all the flowers melt, Kenpachi's Shikai, followed closely by Kenpachi's bankai and the reveal that it was Yachiru all along.

Bankai-Kenpachi almost defeats Gerard, but as Yachiru mentions his body still wasn't ready to handle that much power. Still, he cuts Gerard in 2 and forces him to "evolve" into his second form.

However, the trio unites, and what remains of Kenpachi just grabs Gerard, while Hitsugaya completely freezes him, and then Byakuya smashes him with bankai.

It would've been the perfect win, a perfect culmination.

 

Instead, Gerard revives, again, even more stronger, leaving the impression that our heroes growth (both in strength and team-play) wasn't important.

 

(I also read Urahara and Yoruichi's fight. How I missed that duo)






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