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One Piece Theory: Is Shinobu a Traitor?


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#1 darthfury78

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 05:12 AM

Given what we know, it would seem that Shinobu was responsible for the planned invasion gone bad. What is your thoughts about Shinobu as a traitor?



#2 trafalgarlawisop

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 09:08 AM

Age has not been kind to her :cry:

 

On a serious note, I don't think its her. Toki is about to die but we still know jack about the extent of her abilities (apart from jumping herself and others in time) or the void century :hmm:

I wonder if she is the traitor a la Doctor Strange and elected the only possible future where Oden's dream of opening Wano would be fufilled even if it meant betraying her husband :devastated:. She could have left instructions to Hiyori to follow that plan and how the future would play out.



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 03:07 PM

I've seen a lot of people discussing it to be Kanjuuro, and the evidence is very solid imo.

- Jack found Zou and had info on Raizo. If this is because of the traitor, it likely narrows down to the ones that time-travelled: Kanjuuro, Kiku, Raizo, Kinemon and Momo. Raizo has no business selling himself out in this manner, and Momo is obviously cleared. Leaves Kinemon, Kiku and Kanjuuro.

- The traitor was likely present when the alliance made their plan to rally 4000 warriors from Wano and confirmed that Hiyori was alive, of which Orochi had detailed information. That's known to all of the retainers present on Wano though (ch. 955).

- However, the traitor was NOT present (or didn't have time to report to Orochi) when they updated the number to 4200 (ch. 955). The update was shown to be known to Kin, Kiku and Shinobu, while Kanjuuro did specifically NOT know about it in chapter 958.

- Yasuie is never captured despite running around Wano for 20 years, until his identity is revealed to Kanjuuro and Shinobu. He's captured almost immidiately afterwards.

- The girls going to the bath was found out. This info was also known only to Shinobu and Kanjuuro.

- Kanjuuro wasn't on Doffy's star list in Dressrosa, while Kin was.

Kanjuuro is the best bet imo.

 

 

The old hag with the clone-fruit definitely played a role in the past too, but since she's confirmed dead, the traitor from the present day is probably also the traitor from the past, especially if it's one of the time-travellers.

 

EDIT: Had one of the chapter numbers wrong.


Edited by Oben, 04 February 2020 - 03:16 PM.

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#4 Abaroxa

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 05:29 PM

Inu and Meku lost limbs against the beast pirates so I doubt it was them. Also they were away during kaido first moves on wano.

Shinobu was basically proven innocent on chap 970. Although she knows the true deal between oden and kaido she never revealed the story which is odd; still innocent though.

Ashura is innocent because we saw kaido trying to recruit him on Luffy vs kaido chapter.

by @Oben
- However, the traitor was NOT present (or didn't have time to report to Orochi) when they updated the number to 4200 (ch. 955). The update was shown to be known to Kin, Kiku and Shinobu, while Kanjuuro did specifically NOT know about it in chapter 958.

Kiku can still be the traitor if you think about the fact that she can only report on special circumstances. Something like every second day or only when she is alone.

Kin is basically the leader and strategist of the red scabbards. If it's him then it would basically be the clone wars where palatine was the leader of both sides.

It can't be denjiru because he hasn't been presented in any meetings. Therefore he couldn't have revealed the secrets Orochi now knows.

My bet is raizo or kanjuro.
Why raizo? Because why would the beast pirates chase him specifically and not kinemon. Kinemon is the leader while raizo is just a fighter. Raizo fruit is nothing special as far as we know.
It's odd...

Kanjuro is definitely the biggest suspect. Specially after what @Oben said.

by @Oben
- However, the traitor was NOT present (or didn't have time to report to Orochi) when they updated the number to 4200 (ch. 955). The update was shown to be known to Kin, Kiku and Shinobu, while Kanjuuro did specifically NOT know about it in chapter 958.

- Yasuie is never captured despite running around Wano for 20 years, until his identity is revealed to Kanjuuro and Shinobu. He's captured almost immidiately afterwards.

- The girls going to the bath was found out. This info was also known only to Shinobu and Kanjuuro.

- Kanjuuro wasn't on Doffy's star list in Dressrosa, while Kin was.

Kanjuuro is the best bet imo.



#5 Oben

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 06:03 PM


My bet is raizo or kanjuro.
Why raizo? Because why would the beast pirates chase him specifically and not kinemon. Kinemon is the leader while raizo is just a fighter. Raizo fruit is nothing special as far as we know.
It's odd...

 

Yeah, confirming that Raizo was on Zou is something only he could do. If it were Kanjuuro or Kin, they'd have to guess whether Raizo made it (since they shipwrecked before arriving). It does however clear Kiku to some extent, since she'd naturally assume all four arrived at Zou. (btw, Raizo doesn't have a DF as far as we know.)

 

But he (and Kiku) both helped to bust Luffy out of Udon, which shouldn't be in Kaidou's or Orochi's interest at all.

 

Overall, there's four things that were probably revealed by the traitor (Zou, bath, 4000 warriors, Yasuie), and only Kanjuuro checks 4/4 (+ bonus points from the 4200) without taking huge unknowns / stretches into account. Raizo, even if we count Zou, can only get 2/4 either.



#6 Enbima

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Posted 06 February 2020 - 05:09 PM

Bold prediction: the traitor is the one with the least damage on his body.
Kiku.

To be effective In combat, a warrior must not feel for his enemy. Close your heart to their desperation. Close your heart for their suffering. The road ahead is long and unforgiving. No place for a boy. You must be a warrior.

- Goku to Gohan.

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 02:35 PM

Anybody notice how kanjuro’s drawn animals are always weak and almost incapable for the job at hand such much so that they look like they are gonna die after the job is done?. You think he does that on purpose?

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#8 Abaroxa

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 01:25 PM

Anybody notice how kanjuro’s drawn animals are always weak and almost incapable for the job at hand such much so that they look like they are gonna die after the job is done?. You think he does that on purpose?


^True. Cant forget how his fruit can easily be used to deliver letters.

The only thing with kanjuro is the fact that he stayed in imprisoned when he was in dressrosa. Wasn't DD working with kaido, he even knew about Momo.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 01:17 PM

Sooo... with the new chapter, it seems less likely that it's one of the retainers, or Shinobu. Kanjuuro still has the best argument going for him overall, but he is in the pot as well, and wasn't even last in line.

 

So who is reasonably left, assuming that there isn't some cop-out like another surveillance fruit? Toki? :huh:


Edited by Oben, 14 February 2020 - 01:17 PM.

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#10 D.Hyuga

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Posted 15 February 2020 - 10:09 AM

^

Kinemon's wife.



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Posted 15 February 2020 - 08:22 PM

The traitor is momo unknowingly. If the old kurosomo lady touched momo, then there is a chance they planted something on him. Why else old they take a 8 year old for a battle other than to reveal this.

Momo unknowingly..
 

^
Kinemon's wife.

Also like this one.

#12 Zeta42

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Posted 20 February 2020 - 04:55 AM

What if present-time Shinobu isn't the same Shinobu as the one from 20 years ago? What if they are two different people, and the Scabbards are idiots who looked at her and thought, "Oh, she just aged in all those years we haven't seen her"? Then fake Shinobu can be the traitor while OG Shinobu was truly loyal.



#13 Enbima

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Posted 20 February 2020 - 07:14 AM

Nah man those eybrows are special

To be effective In combat, a warrior must not feel for his enemy. Close your heart to their desperation. Close your heart for their suffering. The road ahead is long and unforgiving. No place for a boy. You must be a warrior.

- Goku to Gohan.

 stop dreaming





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