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#1 Athos

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:19 PM

There we go! Back in business.

 

I wish I could quote the last 5 posts, but the sad truth is that all of the data from the last two threads are out of my reach. Mmmostly. I mean, I guess I could always re-post my top 15 VNs since I made a copy of that, but next to the pages and pages of feedback from previous posters that we lost, it's hardly something to get excited about.

 

Not much else to say, since I haven't been able to finish my current VN-- mostly because of how utterly dull it is.

 

 

 

Anyways, talk about this obscure, uncomfortable, but sometimes awesome medium here.


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#2 Sanagami

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:23 PM

Lol, I was writing one up, and I decided to check if anyone posted this before I posted mine. D<

 

anyways

 

 

Yeah, I needed this a bit. D:

 

 

Sad that Athos lost all those amazing reviews. D:

 

Kara no Shoujo has been dark. Like, there is so much gore. It's quite good, besides the fact that the main character is a bit of loli lover ;P 

But yeah, I haven't completed it yet because there are so many endings which is a bit annoying.

I realize I really like the linear plot thing instead of the way too many branches sorta story.

 

So currently I'm sort of playing 5 games at the same times. I started Ever 17, but the config system annoyed me a lot so I've been playing it extremely slowly. It has been fine though, but I'm waiting for that ending which is probably about 30 more game hours later C:

 

I also started the Hanabira series, which is sweet. It's nothing special, but its not bad. It helps that its short.

 

And then Finally I'm going through Monster Quest, which is......the most weird VN I've played. But its strangely Addicting.

 

And then there's Kamidori which I'm trudging through slowly.

 

 

Yeah, I think I started too many, but I got impatient >_<

 

 

EDIT: A bit off topic, but look how epic WSJ Thread is compared to ours. Well, Athos :C :C :C


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:59 PM

Well, I think everyone needs SOME kind of an outlet for this kind of hobby. Reading a great story is fun and all, but we all know the best part of watching a movie is talking about it on the drive back home. I mean, hell, I thought -I- was feeling uneasy without a thread, but then I check my inbox this one night at 2 A.M. and... well, I'll just leave it at that.

 

I've never tried playing two new VNs at the same time...  I dunno, it doesn't feel right to keep track of all the names and events from two completely different settings. It sounds like it'd be difficult to feel invested in either of them.

 

With that said, Monster Quest and Kamidori really don't sound like games that would demand my undivided attention to follow the plot, and the Hanabira games are easily the closest thing to an interactive vanilla h doujin that I've ever played, so that really only leaves Kara no Shoujo and Ever17. Then again, it sounds like you've already finished Kara no Shoujo, so...

 

I can't even finish my own game... Shikkoku no Sharnoth feels so dull compared to the last one. The art looks gorgeous, and the characters are great, but the plot is so... so awful. And that DAMN MINIGAME WHY DIDN'T I CHOOSE TO SKIP OH GOD

 

*EDIT*

 

Don't worry too much about it-- that's how it's always been. Not to say it's easy to make it look like that, but I don't think recovering it was as complicated as it looks.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:05 PM

Sorry, Spammy, I couldn't find your top ten list >_> I tried D:

But I failed.

 

Anyways, I've recovered this. All of it is Athos' stuff, but even then I couldn't get all of them.

 

 

Little Busters!

 

- 40% comedy, 50% drama, 10% minigames.

- Little Busters hits a landmark for me as the first Key VN I ever played, and the second I ever watched after AIR, but it'd be a lie if I said I didn't jump into it with some amount of prejudice.

- It's a story about a group of friends playing games and doing stupid stuff together to forget about their sad childhoods. There's more to it of course-- I mean, it's Key. Of course there's more.

- The visuals are modest. I remember there being this one particular CG that was so utterly awesome that I honestly considered changing my notebook's wallpaper for the first time in 4 years. Oh, and the backgrounds look pretty. ...someone told me that while I was playing, I dunno.

- The soundtrack is... good. I feel compelled to say this, because the main -and probably only- reason as to why I didn't just drop the game halfway through was because of this damn tune playing on the background every time I load the game, like a promise of more important things to come. It's no exaggeration to say that this song was the biggest thing I took away from this entire VN.

- The plot is... well, objectively speaking, pretty decent. The main plot, that is. I never really got into the side routes, mainly because they were clearly added for the sake of having different heroines to pick from, and they're all essentially the same tired formula. Just... girls with extravagant issues waiting for the protagonist and his hidden B rank trauma-healing skill to save them. There isn't anything necessarily wrong with that, but the problem is that the game outright forces you to go through each and every one of the heroines before continuing with the plot, and while I did kind of see what they were trying to do, I still found it very frustrating.

- The main cast, however... is actually pretty solid! It's a shame I didn't like the protagonist all that much, but the core 5 characters of the story are all funny, smart and endearing-- specially the guys. Not to mention the seiyuus are freaking committed. This really helps to emphasize the moments Key has always been good for, that being the sad scenes. Great stuff.

- By the way, there's no porn.

- ...yeah.

 

I honestly can't recommend this game, because I'm afraid the story didn't do a whole lot for me. It's not bad, by any means-- it's just that I've already read it. There is stuff to praise, however, and this is by no means a poor game. I'm actually kind of curious about how will they go around adapting it. We'll see.

 

 

 

Katawa Shoujo

 

- 80% drama, 20% comedy.

- Now this was... different. I only played this because someone made a review of it on TGWTG (which I have yet to watch), saying it's apparently a 4chan's favorite. A good enough reason as any to pick something up, I'd say.

- The premise isn't too complicated. You get one heart attack, and all of a sudden they're sending you to a specialized school filled with disabled teenagers who can't adapt to society for one reason or another.

- The visuals are gorgeous. Not only are the CGs detailed and beautiful, but there's a LOT of them, too. Good to know, of course, because--

- There is no voice acting. Man, I don't think I've read one of those since Tsukihime. The soundtrack is pretty decent. There is something very particular about the main song, because it starts off as dramatic and foreboding, but then you hear an acoustic guitar playing and it's all happy again. Threw me off more than a few times.

- Then there's the plot. Damn, what a contrast from Little Busters. I'll be honest, I had heard of this game before, but I always decided against it because of the premise. To be fair, it didn't really betray my expectations. I mean, in the end you're still helping girls to overcome their traumas through the power of love and casual intercourse, but the thing about that is... it has surprisingly little to do with their disabilities! They have issues, of course, but these are way too subtle and delicate to solve by just being the one guy in the whole world who understands them. The game actually punishes you for treating them like helpless little girls waiting for someone to save them. On that note--

- The game difficulty is freaking merciless. I couldn't manage to get a single good end in this game without going through the bad one first. You get one choice wrong, and you're out. You think it's a simple issue of spending time with the character and favoring her over the rest, but in reality it's a delicate tango of giving them space and securing information about their issues before even attempting to "save" them. ...with some exceptions. Whether this comes off as realistic or imaginary difficulty is up to you.

- The h scenes are all relatively short, but in good taste. The game is clearly playing favorites given how disproportional the number of scenes per character is, but it's usually in accordance to the character's personality. Anyways, I liked them.

 

I have no issues recommending this game. It surprised me by playing with my expectations, and I like being surprised. With that said, this is the closest thing to a dating sim that I've ever played, so I wouldn't suggest it if you're looking for a complicated plot.

 

 

 

Utawarerumono

 

- 40% action, 40% comedy, 18% drama, 2% ******* *******.

- Ah yes, Utawarerumono. What a nostalgia trip. I'm only adding this here because I never made a formal review of it, and because I actually re-played it recently as I was reading Little Busters. Yes, I've officially reached a point where I can play two VNs simultaneously. Of course I'm just talking about playing the mindless rpg game while putting the other one on autoplay, but dammit, I'm counting it.

- Yes, this VN comes with an integrated rpg minigame. I'll come back to that later.

- Very standard setting. You wake up in a different world full of furries with no memories and a mask that cannot be removed. Wait, what was that last one again?

- The visuals are nothing extraordinary, but they get the job done. The videogame graphics are clearly outdated by today's standards, though you really should've expected that if you're playing a 2002 eroge.

- The soundtrack is rather humble, and I'm afraid the most vivid memory you'll keep from this VN is that damn battle music from the rpg minigame.

- The plot is... Hm. How do I put this. This isn't a Visual Novel. This is Breath of Fire with porn. And better dialogue. And a proper main character. Seriously, this really should be just another rpg game, and I wouldn't take another look at it... if it wasn't for our beloved masked protagonist, Emonzaem-- Kiritsug-- Hakuoro. About that--

- The characters are all fun to watch, and although they often stick to their archetypes, they will actually make their own decisions when push comes to shove. The game's greatest strength, however, is the protagonist, and a good protagonist is always a good thing. He's clever, composed, reasonable, badass, and unpredictable, all in the same package. Good stuff.

- Oh, and this is just me, but the author has a fantastic sense of humor. Watching the characters fool around between fights can turn out to be unexpectedly rewarding, and I really appreciate a game that can still make me laugh after all these years.

- There are h scenes, I guess. Only a couple of them are actually relevant to the plot, but other than that, they're usually awkward and unsatisfying.

 

All in all, a fun little eroge. A great game for casual players, and I'd recommend it to anyone... if it wasn't for that got. Damn. Minigame. That stupid, pointless, broken, unbalanced, sad excuse of an rpg engine that tortured me at every... single... point of the story. I played the game again thinking I had it figured out, and it was STILL a fight for my life at every turn. I don't even want to think about what it was like the first time. I remember comparing it to blind chess at one point.

 

Listen to me, do not. I repeat. Do NOT play this game in hard mode 3 right off the bat. If you want to get any enjoyment out of this, stick to normal mode and have fun. It's not worth the effort. NOTHING is worth the effort.

 

 

Remember 11

 

- Second game I've played done by KID, known for their cheap soundtracks, clever settings and glorious mind screws.

- Ratios are something like 10% action, 10% comedy, 30% drama and 50% Science Fiction Goodness.

- It's about a... how do I even-- It's about a plane crash. ...and body swapping.

- Visuals are modest. Couple of FMVs. Nothing fancy, though.

- Soundtrack is terrible, but adequate. Sad scenes are sad, creepy scenes are creepy.

- The plot is... really good. Takes some time to get going, but by god, you better don't stop paying attention.

- Characters are a mixed bag. Much like Ever17, most of them are fine, but there's always this one guy that gets on your nerves. Doesn't really matter, I mean, the story is mostly about the protagonists, and they are both very fun to follow.

- No h scenes. Sorry, nothing to see here.

- Finally... the game... *sigh* Look, this is not a bad game. In fact, it's a great game. However, it has one major flaw, and it's that ***** ** ** **** ******. Hell, there isn't even * **** ******! Freaking Saya no Uta had a **** ******, and that game was DESIGNED to be **********! What gives?!

 

 

Don't play this game. Seriously, don't... ok, maybe if you have this crave for mystery or science fiction like I do, you might be able to get something out of it, but I have no intention of recommending an unfinished game. Stay away from it.

 

Demonbane

 

- 60% action, 20% comedy, 20% drama.

- ...this is one of those games where you know exactly how the entire thing's gonna go roughly 5 minutes into it.

- Zanmataisei Demonbane is about magic, violence, fighting spirit, giant robots, H.P. Lovecraft, and gratuitous fanservice. Lots and lots of fanservice.

- There are quite a few CGs in this game, and to be fair, it looks pretty damn good when it comes to the fight scenes and backgrounds. Visuals are definitely not this game's weak point.

- Soundtrack... also good on its own right. They know how to get you pumped when it matters.

- ...then there's the plot. Oh, man.

- I'm sorry, but-- this is one stupid game. You really need to squint your eyes and acknowledge the true nature of this eroge if you want to get any enjoyment out of it. Well, you can try, I mean. I couldn't.

- The characters are... mostly bland? The protagonist is fairly modest. He has a good sense of humor and does the shonen protagonist thing pretty well.

- Absolutely everyone else is a walking stereotype, though. I did like one of them, mostly because her seiyuu is just too good. The fact she had a route of her own was a pleasant surprise.

- Finally, the h scenes... this game will find the flimsiest excuses to shove an h scene in there, and they're all mostly unpleasant. ...mostly.

 

Play? No no, don't play this game...! Please! It is essentially a very outdated giant mecha anime, and I'm afraid the narration doesn't help to remedy the fact that it is, in fact, not an anime. I know you can find better ways to spend your time.

 

Sekien no Inganock -What a Beautiful People-

 

- 50% drama, 10% comedy, 20% action, 20% science fiction goodness.

- Man, I needed this. I swear I've been playing nothing but tedious uninspiring VNs lately.

- Inganock of the Brightest Flame, made by Liar Soft, is a tale about a cold little city surrounded by mist and drowning in misery, and a very small group of people trying their darnedest to make the best of it.

- This game is gorgeous, but at the same time, it's very humble. There are a lot of CGs, and I thought the art is great, but the action scenes are depressingly cheap. It's not distracting, though.

- Great soundtrack. Lots of violins, piano, guitar. Very relaxing. Then there's the fight music, which kicks all sorts of ***. It's a very short soundtrack, though. Then again, it's a pretty short game.

- The plot. The plot is.... well it's a great setting, and the main story is quite decent, but that's not...

- ...alright.

 

- This game is a play. It's theatrical, over the top, sentences will repeat over and over for emphasis, interludes, lots of monologuing. You could even call it pretentious. BUT. It never ever comes close to being tedious, because there is just too much heart in the story. I could go on about this for hours, but I know there's gonna be a lot of bias in my words. I just really loved the narration for this one.

- The characters are easily the best part, though. Not the side characters-- no no. They're ok, but it's difficult to empathize with new people every chapter. I'm talking about the three main characters.

- For the better part of the game, this is a story about three people struggling to keep a hold of their humanity in a world filled with hopelessness. All three of them are so greatly written that when **** starts hitting the fan, I was praying furiously in hopes that this story wasn't a tragedy. Really good.

 

- Then... Then there's the porn. Oh god, the porn. If there was ever a game where h scenes should be optional, THIS IS IT. Just... I can't tell you to skip them, since the dialogue in some of them actually matter, but for the love of god, turn off the music. ALWAYS. EVERY TIME.

- ...oh, and there is also a rather pointless obligatory minigame between chapters. Get a walkthrough.

 

 

"Should you play this game"? Maybe. I would. Definitely recommending this one. It has a great setting, a great ending, and I enjoyed most of the stuff in between. Hell, I liked it so much that I played it twice. ...rather, I had to play it twice, because the fully voiced patch was released right in the middle of my first playthrough.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:08 PM

Whoa... I...

 

...alright, I'll... I'll take a look at my old files too, and...

 

...damn.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:23 PM

I didn't save everything like a crazy stalker >_<

Just did some Internet Archiving search... here and there >_>

 

 

Well, I think everyone needs SOME kind of an outlet for this kind of hobby. Reading a great story is fun and all, but we all know the best part of watching a movie is talking about it on the drive back home. I mean, hell, I thought -I- was feeling uneasy without a thread, but then I check my inbox this one night at 2 A.M. and... well, I'll just leave it at that.

 

I've never tried playing two new VNs at the same time...  I dunno, it doesn't feel right to keep track of all the names and events from two completely different settings. It sounds like it'd be difficult to feel invested in either of them.

 

With that said, Monster Quest and Kamidori really don't sound like games that would demand my undivided attention to follow the plot, and the Hanabira games are easily the closest thing to an interactive vanilla h doujin that I've ever played, so that really only leaves Kara no Shoujo and Ever17. Then again, it sounds like you've already finished Kara no Shoujo, so...

 

I can't even finish my own game... Shikkoku no Sharnoth feels so dull compared to the last one. The art looks gorgeous, and the characters are great, but the plot is so... so awful. And that DAMN MINIGAME WHY DIDN'T I CHOOSE TO SKIP OH GOD

 

*EDIT*

 

Don't worry too much about it-- that's how it's always been. Not to say it's easy to make it look like that, but I don't think recovering it was as complicated as it looks.

 

 

God, I miss this thread <33 Plus, it looks like this is the thread I'm going to be using to get a 50 post count for a sig ;P

 

Well, Yeah, Kamidori is sort of fun for the first many hours but then the overload of characters I could control and lvl up was soo many I sorta started to lose a bit of interest.

 

I actually haven't completed Kara No Shoujo's true route yet, but it has so many endings I feel spoiled already since the bad endings have a bit of spoilers here and there.

I do need to finish this though .-.

I hate how I don't have my extras though, I'm not sure If its because I haven't finished the game yet or because the version I downloaded doesn't allow Extras

but its annoying me a lots.

I want to see how many CG's I've unlocked D:

And of course I want my scenes too >_>

 

The real problem with Ever 17 is that I feel I've guessed it.

Which Is stupid, because I know there is like no way I can guess it, but for some reason there is just this stupid feeling inside of me that's telling me I've already guessed it.

And that's really killing it for me....

Especially since I know Ever 17 is like one of those WORK THROUGH EVERYTHING AND THEN WHAM HERES THE AMAZING ENDING YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR.

That's why I'm going through it pretty slowly >_>

 

That's interesting, because from the front cover Shikkoku looks more interesting then Sekien. I mean, There's a character with a badass EYEPATCH. 

But I'm far from starting either of them, because of this load of 5 VNs I've put on myself .-.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

...yeah, I know that feeling. I remember how watching Steins;Gate after basically having figured out the entire ending 2 episodes in advance pretty much ruined the experience. Then again, something similar happened to me with Fight Club, but I still had a lot of fun watching it.

 

As for Ever17... look, I admit, Ever17 was probably my fourth VN ever, so I clearly wasn't as genre savvy as I am now when I played it, but I honestly don't think you should worry about figuring out the ending yourself. You'll know what I'm talking about after you get your first ending.

 

Besides, the game itself has its own merits. Maybe I didn't like the soundtrack and a couple of the characters, but there's really nothing wrong with pretty much everything else, specially the setting and narration. I mean, even though I hated Remember11, I still have to admit it was very fun to follow for similar reasons.

 

 

 

Yeah... I'm kind of ashamed to say I also got totally hooked from Sharnoth's cover (I was looking at the girl, though... still am, really). Playing this game has been nothing but a constant reminder of how clever Inganock was at covering its flaws. I guess if there's anything I'm grateful for, it's that it got rid of that... god... awful ero scene bgm...


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:02 PM

Have you guys trying CLANNAD? It was a great game. A tear jerking game. Especially CLANNAD Full Voice.



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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:51 PM

Clannad... I kind of regret playing the VN instead of watching the anime. I feel like I would've enjoyed it better that way.

 

Tearjerking... hm...

 

The whole afterstory was pretty darn good in that respect, but if it's about genuinely moving scenes... I think there was only one ending that caught me completely off-guard, and it involved the protagonist's childhood friend. It was just... those damn insert songs, I tell you.

 

 

Here are some more of the old reviews that will contribute to probably one of the longest first pages of any thread ever.

 

 

 

Steins;Gate


- Watch the anime. There. If you wanted a 3 word review-- there you have it. If you really want to know why I say this... well, keep reading.
- Wait, I take it back. There's one thing the VN does better than the anime and that's having THE MOST AWESOME PROLOGUE EVER.
- This VN is... I'd say 40% Science Fiction goodness, 30% comedy, 20% drama, 10% violence. Pretty sweet combination, if you ask me.
- These guys did their research. This is, without a shadow of a doubt, the most genre savvy time travel story ever made. I mean seriously, the featured time travel device is called DeLorean Mail. For god's sake, there is a Groundhog Day reference in there! Bill Murray alluded in a japanese novel! I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't read it myself.
- The visuals are... uncomfortable. It's not bad, but most of the character sprites show a very limited range of emotions. They also look creepy as hell, but since it adds to the atmosphere, I can't complain.
- The soundtrack is good. Not memorable, but there are several great tracks.
- Great sense of humor. Particularly solid in the meta dialogue. Fun stuff.
- The story is... well it's difficult to score without spoiling. I thought it was bloody interesting, and whether you like the true ending or not depends on your personal experience in time travel tropes. The other endings, on the other hand...
- I hated the alternate routes. Some because the characters themselves were insufferable, and some because the endings themselves were unsatisfying. There is a very specific point in the story where you can decide whether or not to follow each individual route, and it's probably the worst part of the VN. Honestly, I don't think there's even a point to deviating from the main story without the promise of porn. Oh, on that note--
- There are no h-scenes. At all. Sorry.

 


All in all, a very interesting VN, and although the ending is kind of weak in comparison, it's still very well-written. With that said, however, I honestly can't recommend it. The anime is just that good. The key word here is storytelling. It avoids the most tedious parts, points out every vital clue, and cranks up the emotional value of every important scene to levels the VN didn't even knew they could. Go ahead and take a look.



Sengoku Rance

- 40% action, 30% comedy, 10% drama, 20% porn. So, essentially, the Gurren Lagann of VNs.
- BEST. SOUNDTRACK. EVER. I CANNOT stress enough how good this damn thing is. The comedy scenes, fight scenes, the boss battles-- not to mention the most glorious h scene bgm in creation. Beautiful.
- A very fun story. Most of the characters are all stereotypes, but all of the main cast has some depth to it. Even Rance, the most straightforward eroge protagonist on the face of the earth, has his moments-- though they're rare.
- Most of the game revolves around this very addicting rpg engine. It's pretty well thought out, and very challenging to master.
- The replay value in this thing is difficult to measure. You'll be playing it for weeks if you're obsessive over 100% completion.
- The visuals are pretty decent. Not a lot of character portraits, but there's plenty of CGs to collect. On that note--
- There are a LOT of h scenes in this game. Probably more than all of the VNs I played so far combined. It's also the most rewarding kind of porn I've ever read! I don't know how, but the narration makes them feel worthy of celebration rather than awkwardness. It's difficult to describe. Definitely a good thing.

 


I don't know what else to tell you. Check it out. I'd recommend this to anyone remotely interested in h content and/or strategy rpgs. ...well, the first condition is slightly more important than the latter.



Kazoku Keikaku

- 40% comedy, 30% drama, 20% harem antics, 10% action.
- A very light-hearted VN about the values of having a family.
- The sountrack is... adequate, I guess? I don't have a whole lot to say here.
- The visuals are a little old. It's not bad, although there's something very peculiar about their chins...
- The voice acting is astounding. I don't think the game is particularly funny, but some scenes are priceless just for the sheer absurdity of the script.
- The plot is... well, it's interesting enough. I wouldn't say it's predictable, but there are no major twists.
- The characters are for the most part, endearing, with the added bonus of having Norio Wakamoto doing a comedic role. They didn't quite manage to contain his manliness all the way to the end, though. Also, the game tends to push you towards the lolicon route, and to be perfectly frank, I couldn't complain. I dunno, it's just so hard to say no to the little runt.
- There are h scenes, but they're all very short, and kind of unsatisfying. ...except for one. Please don't ask.
 

 

Bottom line... skip it. It's a great game, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it's worth the time investment. I wouldn't recommend it unless you're looking for some sort of emotional band-aid.

 

 


Wanko to Kurasou

- Or as I like to call it: "Do not want!"-- The game.
- 20% comedy, 20% drama, 20% porn, 40% OH DEAR GOD ITS SO ADORABLE STOP IT! STOP IT! WHYYY WHY WONT IT LET ME DIEEE--!!
- The visuals are... modest. It has a very uncomfortable habit of portraying 70% of the human population as kindergartners-- which would be fine except for the actual kindergartners who I was praying to god would never take part in the mating sequences.
- The music... I don't even remember it had bgms. I know it was a very light-hearted kind of soundtrack.
- The plot is... pretty much exactly what it says on the tin. An entire eroge revolving around cute, attractive, completely submissive human-like pets. You know, like the target image of anime women in general, just-- a bit more literally. Plus a very uncomfortable dose of lolicon fuel. And some shota for good measure.
- It has some funny dialogue, and despite the absurdly convenient setting, the characters are all very pleasant to follow, with varying levels of intelligence.
- This is a very short game. There is some drama involved in the endings, and although you could say they're sudden and contrived... er, sorry. I thought I had something else to add there. My bad.  
-...
- ...I really can't get away without talking about the porn, can I-- Ok, this game has two objectives. Fetish fuel, and death by HNNNGGGG-- and by god, does it succeed at it. Out of the many, many, MANY h scenes in this eroge, I can only remember one isolated forced intercourse. Everything else is just caring, consensual, somewhat perverted baby-making. Except not really, since they're all virtually sterile. How appropriate.   
 

 

I wish I had more to say about this, but much like Sengoku Rance, this is a very honest kind of eroge, and it's very efficient at what it does. If you think you'll like it, you probably will.

 

 


Saya no Uta

- 20% action, 10% science fiction, 70% Nightmare fuel.
- You know this game. Even if you haven't heard of it, I'm pretty sure you're at least familiar with the plot. Hell, you've probably even formulated a theory on what the big reveal is. Well, all I can say about that is... the game knows.
- The visuals are outstanding. The art, the characters, the backgrounds, the ghkOHJESUSWHATTHEHELLWASTHATs, everything's great. Lovecraft would be proud. There are also quite a lot of CGs, which helps immensely with the mood.
- The soundtrack is... adequate. Rather than good or bad, it just fits the mood every time. Personally, I loved it-- specially near the end where it goes from tense/eerie to ****ING AWESOME.
- The plot is very convincing. Except for the particularly stupid ones, every character thinks and acts like a normal person would, given the situation.
- If you haven't been able to tell already, this is a very disturbing game to play, and even if you become somewhat desensitized by the end, that only means that the game has successfully started to mess with your head.
- There are not a whole lot of choices to make in this game, but each of them will have a vast influence on the ending. About that--
- There's a total of three endings in the game, and even now I can't decide on which one's the "good one".
- The h scenes are a mixed bag. Sometimes twisted, sometimes straightforward. They aren't many, but it's no small number either.


I don't know. I guess I should recommend this to everyone just for reference's sake. It's a very short game, anyways, and it gets the job done. I'll say this, though. If you're gonna play Saya no Uta, play it at night, and make sure you have a Pixar movie or something on standby for after you finish it.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:03 AM

LOL. There are spin off, alternate endings. Another World: Kyou and Another World: Tomoyo.

 

Steins;Gate is a masterpiece. Wanko to Kurasou... err... not recommended. Ever17 is great. Little buster? MUST HAVE. Katawa Shoujo is one of a great example of Ren'Py engine.

 

What about Ef~?

 

And have you try Planetarian?


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:51 AM

So I'm guessing the mail in your box at 2AM was me then Athos? XD Yes I was dying without somewhere to rant about G Senjou when I finished it because oh my freaking god did it end on one heck of a high note, I don't think spoilers are working yet so I can't go too much into it but let me just say, a) Haru is so awesome, she jumped all the way up on my character preferences to right next to Tsugumi, like literally, my no. 2 favorite girl right now man so much love for her b ) Evil Jigoro/Gonzou is one hell of a boss for obvious reasons, a true mobster through and through, not like those Reborn chumps c) that plot, just that plot, it had so many twists to love in it d) Maou, just Maou e) so many feels towards the end of this VN man I swear, haven't cried that hard since E17. If you haven't played this (and aren't already playing E17, looking at you Sana XD) then you should definetly play this game


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“I promised, remember? I said I would save you even if it meant fighting the entire world.” “Yes…you did.”

Othinus narrowed her eye as the boy held her in his arms. She looked happy. She looked truly happy.

“But you don’t have to worry. I was already saved from the moment you said that to me.”


#12 Sanagami

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:25 AM

God, I really didn't like Clannad at all >_>

 

Isn't Ef Like nt fully translated?

/doesn't help the fact that I tried the anime first and since everyone knows how much I don't like SHAFT >_>

 

...yeah, I know that feeling. I remember how watching Steins;Gate after basically having figured out the entire ending 2 episodes in advance pretty much ruined the experience. Then again, something similar happened to me with Fight Club, but I still had a lot of fun watching it.

 

As for Ever17... look, I admit, Ever17 was probably my fourth VN ever, so I clearly wasn't as genre savvy as I am now when I played it, but I honestly don't think you should worry about figuring out the ending yourself. You'll know what I'm talking about after you get your first ending.

 

Besides, the game itself has its own merits. Maybe I didn't like the soundtrack and a couple of the characters, but there's really nothing wrong with pretty much everything else, specially the setting and narration. I mean, even though I hated Remember11, I still have to admit it was very fun to follow for similar reasons.

 

 

 

Yeah... I'm kind of ashamed to say I also got totally hooked from Sharnoth's cover (I was looking at the girl, though... still am, really). Playing this game has been nothing but a constant reminder of how clever Inganock was at covering its flaws. I guess if there's anything I'm grateful for, it's that it got rid of that... god... awful ero scene bgm...

 

I know that I haven't guessed Ever17 ending. I know

but the feeling I have is killing it

I will get through it..... I will... I swear I will >_>

 

I won't lie. She is hot D:

I like girls who use their umbrellas 

So I'm guessing the mail in your box at 2AM was me then Athos? XD Yes I was dying without somewhere to rant about G Senjou when I finished it because oh my freaking god did it end on one heck of a high note, I don't think spoilers are working yet so I can't go too much into it but let me just say, a) Haru is so awesome, she jumped all the way up on my character preferences to right next to Tsugumi, like literally, my no. 2 favorite girl right now man so much love for her b ) Evil Jigoro/Gonzou is one hell of a boss for obvious reasons, a true mobster through and through, not like those Reborn chumps c) that plot, just that plot, it had so many twists to love in it d) Maou, just Maou e) so many feels towards the end of this VN man I swear, haven't cried that hard since E17. If you haven't played this (and aren't already playing E17, looking at you Sana XD) then you should definetly play this game

Now its time to go and play Sharin ;D

 

I loved Maou's ending but srsly those subplots were.....Tsk tsk tsk.

 

Gaaah, Ever17, why am I having such difficulty in being motivated to finish you >_<

must be the lack of Ero scenes >_>

 

 

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:58 AM

LOL. There are spin off, alternate endings. Another World: Kyou and Another World: Tomoyo.
 
Steins;Gate is a masterpiece. Wanko to Kurasou... err... not recommended. Ever17 is great. Little buster? MUST HAVE. Katawa Shoujo is one of a great example of Ren'Py engine.
 
What about Ef~?
 
And have you try Planetarian?

 
I... I take it you're a Key fan. Sorry, I played Clannad and LB! mostly for reference's sake, so it'll be a long time before I try any of the other Key games.
 
...a very long time.
 

/doesn't help the fact that I tried the anime first and since everyone knows how much I don't like SHAFT >_>

 
...but I like SHAFT...
 
Also, about Ever17... actually nevermind.
 

So I'm guessing the mail in your box at 2AM was me then Athos? XD Yes I was dying without somewhere to rant about G Senjou when I finished it because oh my freaking god did it end on one heck of a high note, I don't think spoilers are working yet so I can't go too much into it but let me just say, a) Haru is so awesome, she jumped all the way up on my character preferences to right next to Tsugumi, like literally, my no. 2 favorite girl right now man so much love for her b ) Evil Jigoro/Gonzou is one hell of a boss for obvious reasons, a true mobster through and through, not like those Reborn chumps c) that plot, just that plot, it had so many twists to love in it d) Maou, just Maou e) so many feels towards the end of this VN man I swear, haven't cried that hard since E17. If you haven't played this (and aren't already playing E17, looking at you Sana XD) then you should definetly play this game

 
I think Sana has a more vivid memory of the game right now. PMing her in the middle of the night might've been more productive.
 
I will say that even though Ever17 was higher in the ending list, it was only because of the ***** ********* that is the final route. If it's just about actual endings, Maou would rank higher by far (you can probably guess why), and if it's about sheer plot twist value, there is actually another game that I would rank as *untouchable*.
 
Speaking of rankings, here's the very last piece from the remnants of the previous thread. I have now officially ran out of old material to re-post. Guess I better get on with Shikkoku no Sharnoth then...!
 

 


...sigh...

 
 

And here it is... It took me three years to prepare, and a couple days to write, but here it is. My very own, "Top 10 VNs of all time" list.

...except it isn't.

No... this is more like... "Athos' top 3 VNs of all time + plus 12 runner ups". It's essentially a compendium of the best VNs I've played so far, and why I liked them. See, the thing is, I like reading too much. After I'm done with a book, I desperately try to find a reason to rationalize the god knows how many hours I spent reading it. Even if the book sucked, I'll always focus on the one thing I liked about it.

And that's the problem. Despite what my final impressions may be, 80% of the games I've played are only good at the one thing, while being mediocre at mostly everything else. This is the sad truth of eroges. The reason for a VN to not become an anime is usually because it's just not good enough to warrant a big budget. ...with most of the exceptions being on this list.

In order to remedy this, I'm going to separate this list into 4 separate categories, each of which will also serve to score the games individually. To wit:

Plot -- This is the value of the game as a book, and only as a book. This includes things like premise, setting, twists, pacing and narration. It does not include the ending.

Characters -- This measures how well-written the characters are, the comedy, dialogue, originality, interactions, and even the voice acting. Probably the hardest category to be good at, IMHO.

Ending -- how the game leaves you feeling right after finishing it. This is the final stretch of the main route of the game, including the epilogue. If it's a multiple route game, it'll be the entire final unlockable route, and if there is neither, it's just an average of all the routes' endings.

Visual Novel-- Overall experience. This includes everything, from visuals, to soundtrack, gameplay, gimmicks-- absolutely everything that separates the game from an audio book. I know this might be cramming a lot of stuff in, but really, if a game looks good, it will most likely sound good, too.

And the scores will of course, go like:

C: Bad
B: Not bad, but not great either
A: Good
S: Remarkable

Finally, there's my actual top 3 games. Games that easily excel in more than one category, or that I just plain loved more than the rest for personal reasons.

And now... the list. One last warning. The mere fact that I'm scoring each area (SPECIALLY the ending) is a spoiler in an on itself. Once I tell you what's good about a book, you'll be ready for it, and thus the surprise value is completely lost. This is why even though I'll avoid giving anything specific away, I'm going to make multiple spoiler tags for each category.

I guess after I add about a dozen or more titles to the list, I'll probably come back and update my top 15, but for now, this is all I've got. Now, if you really want to know more about my tastes in porn games... here goes.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

Oh hey spoiler tags do work? Well then I can just ask what it is that you liked better (even if I think I have an idea) and sorry Athos but I was nt quite in a rational mood at the time I was just needing to find someone who has played the thing to rant about XD after all the game had certainly made me feel quite a few things bad and good, oh and sorry Sana, I'm playing through Tsukihime already right now, apparently it's pretty not bad so hey

 

Oh right if my top ten isn't coming back I could make the abridged version now that I have closer to ten with G Senjou done:

1. Ever 17: the out of infinity: Still my favorite VN by quite a bit

2. Fate/Stay Night: I still really like the idea of using old heroes for fighting and they were all pretty awesome in FSN

3. G Senjou no Maou: This managed to shoot all the way up here due not only to an awesome plot but really awesome characters

4. 999: 999 is still amazing to me, it had great tension, nice puzzles and good characters

5. VLR: this was more or less 999 with better plot but worse character interaction (even if it was still really good)

6. Remember 11: R11 had cool enough cats for me to be perfectly fine with the way it ended, besides I thought the ending was ineresting if inconclusive

7. Blazblue: Great characters, a good fighter as well, and a huge world and lots of backstory to look through

8. Phoenix Wright: this was still a fun game by all rights despite being about court battles, who would have thunk?

9. Katawa Shoujo: While at the bottom it was still a pretty fun game on it's own Kenji and Jigoro were great for example, but man did I dislike Emi


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“I promised, remember? I said I would save you even if it meant fighting the entire world.” “Yes…you did.”

Othinus narrowed her eye as the boy held her in his arms. She looked happy. She looked truly happy.

“But you don’t have to worry. I was already saved from the moment you said that to me.”


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:14 PM

I will say that even though Ever17 was higher in the ending list, it was only because of the ***** ********* that is the final route. If it's just about actual endings, Maou would rank higher by far (you can probably guess why), and if it's about sheer plot twist value, there is actually another game that I would rank as *untouchable*.

I feel I have talked enough about it, but its just so hard cause I don't want to ***** ********

 

But can I rant how disappointing the music was? D:

Like, if I made a top ten list right now, and Maou became higher, I think the music IS the reason to blame

>_>

 

btw, Athos, I never asked why you didn't really enjoy Muv Luv's ending.

 

Was it because it was all happy and stuff .-.

I would rant about SHAFT, but this might not be the best place to do it -__-

Plus, I have like no supporters.....cause everyone loves SHAFT >_>

 

 

 

 

On Maou.

I loved Usami but the final arc really brought her down a bit in my ranks of characters and what not.

Part of what made me love her in the first place was because she seemed like such a determined character for the right reasons

but then you realize just how desperate and broken she pretty much is.

Of course, it makes her human but I still was a bit down after that.

To be honest, I'd quite like to see Spam's rant.

But AKB 2 sorta does that to you, right when you finish their games you're like on this high mode to want to talk to anyone about the game

Personally I quite liked Eiichi, he's one of the better stupid side characters in VNs

I'm not a huge fan of Gouzou or Maou to be honest.

and like Tsubaki, Kanon and Mizuha are some of the most boring heroines ever >_>

Yuki needed a sub arc though. I would have loved for a Extra Scene from her.

 

But in the end, that music...Holy Crap.

I love Maou's music so much. 

I love Bach's G string and I love the different versions of it in Maou.

Answer and Close Your Eyes are currently songs I'm always listening too.

 

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

I've gone over this, but whether I like an ending or not is just a matter of personal taste.

 

If I had to rank them, my least favorite kind of ending would be the No Ending. More specifically, the kind that purpousely leaves you hanging with tons of loose threads and absolutely no intention to make a sequel, specially the ones intended to promote a different medium ("read the book!").

 

After that there's the Bad Ending, which I don't hate, but I don't like either. Maybe some people enjoy feeling sad (don't ask me how that works), but I want SOME amount of satisfaction after going through such a long story.

 

Then there's the Good Ending, which is kind of tricky. I'm usually fine with those when there was never really much of a doubt the good guys are gonna win, so it's more about the build up and the grand finale rather than the actual outcome. I also like the ones where the protagonist was just that got damn clever, to the point that even I have to admit he deserves to win. Usually never happens, because most Good Endings are just so convenient that they feel like a cop out to me.

 

Finally there's my personal favorite, the Bitter Sweet ending. The protagonist puts in everything he's got, makes sacrifice after sacrifice, gives up on everything he holds dear, maybe even his life, but got dammit, he saves the girl. It's kind of like a good ending where you can clearly tell just how much he earned it. My favortie kind is the one where the story actually manages to convince you that all your efforts weren't in vain-- that even if things looks bleak, it's somehow gonna be ok.

 

 

If you really wanna know why I didn't like Muv Luv's ending,

Spoiler

 

Oh and it's not that I'm a fan of how SHAFT works, but it's more about how they keep picking series that I like. Mostly lots and lots of dialogue and witty banter.

 

 

And no, I'm not gonna tell you Spam. I'm afraid you'll have to run into it yourself. It's in my top 15, that's all I'm gonna say.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:10 PM

hm I am not a VN expert but I played soem of them (though I have to admit all of them were H-Games ^^'' Yeah I'm a little pervert inside)

 

From what you mentioned here and there I played:

 

Kara no Shoujo: without help I only get to the bad endings here -.-' I emntioned I'm not the expert VN player? :P

 

Monster quest: only game where I TRY to loose in monster fights xD

 

Sengoku Rance Omg such an awesome game :D I was rliterally addicted to it for several months and still have it installed on my external hard drive^^ Also the 2nd Rance game got a HD remake (has now graphics of Sengoku Rance) , maybe it's wortt taking a look^^ though it's more like a RPG than anythingelse (and has really few H-scenes compared to sengoku rance :P)

 

soemother I played that I didn't find you mentioning:

 

Chain: That was pretty cool, story-wise and it has animated H-scenes^^ :D :P

 

Bible Black: Really great graphic and a lot of choices to do here, though could be a bit... disturbing at times...

 

Discipline: Same graphics as Bible Black and also a lot of choices (and also a lot of H-scenes)

 

Secretes Wives Club: Oh well what should I say, the whole story resolves around havign sex... I'm a pevert :P xD

 

Koihime Musou: Has some strategy battles in it (which you can skip in 2nd+ playthrough), so the story was not that interesting, at least to me. Thoug hagain a lot of unlockable scenes, where yo uneed several playthroughs to see them all

 

My very first VN was Snow Drop (or something like that, does there ring a bell?). It was quite nice and simple. lovey-dovey story with a few H-scenes^^


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:09 AM

What do you mean I have to run into it myself? XD I already played the entire thing (well except Shiratori's route but I really don't care all that much about her) so I've run into it I just don't know what it is

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Wish I could say anything other than hi to you Raiden but I haven't really played any of those games myself XD


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Othinus narrowed her eye as the boy held her in his arms. She looked happy. She looked truly happy.

“But you don’t have to worry. I was already saved from the moment you said that to me.”


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:13 AM

You didn't love Gonzou, Sana? He was such a boss though. He was legitimately amazing. Spamamadorf's rant on him is pretty good but even that doesn't do justice to his character. He was basically the Houzuki of G Senjou no Maou.



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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:15 AM

I don't know the character sadly, but yeah the only thing that does the man justice is his song and his voice, those coupled together would make any simple action boss, heck he could be cooking breakfeast but if you heard him yell at you to eat and that music would playing not the slightest hint of a smile would be on your face


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“I promised, remember? I said I would save you even if it meant fighting the entire world.” “Yes…you did.”

Othinus narrowed her eye as the boy held her in his arms. She looked happy. She looked truly happy.

“But you don’t have to worry. I was already saved from the moment you said that to me.”





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