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#1021 Fulmine

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Posted 02 April 2018 - 02:13 AM

Any GREAT (and I mean truly great, not just good. I know it's subjective but at least that's a standard) VN in the last 2 years recommended? Also not too long. I don't want to be kept busy for the next few years :P


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Posted 02 April 2018 - 09:52 AM

...So, 

 

*takes a glass, pours a drink*

 

what brings you to my bar? Did you just wake up one day and decided you want a taste? Or have you played a lot of visual novels before? Because if you have, maybe you can tell me your favorites so I can recommend something--

 

*actual bartender comes back* *kicks me out* *I sit down next to you and order a drink*

 

 

...ok, so I haven't actually played any porn games in the past couple years. See, I made an oath to never again start any new VNs until I finish my current one, which sounds sensible at first, but then it's kind of a kick in the balls when the one you've already started is a tedious OCD mess to get through. I'm thinking I should really just grow up and play Danganronpa.

 

 

Anyways, no, I haven't played recent visual novels. In fact, if you know any good ones, let me know. I can only recommend old titles that I really liked, if you're interested.


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#1023 Fulmine

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Posted 02 April 2018 - 10:30 AM

...So, 

 

*takes a glass, pours a drink*

 

what brings you to my bar? Did you just wake up one day and decided you want a taste? Or have you played a lot of visual novels before? Because if you have, maybe you can tell me your favorites so I can recommend something--

 

*actual bartender comes back* *kicks me out* *I sit down next to you and order a drink*

 

 

...ok, so I haven't actually played any porn games in the past couple years. See, I made an oath to never again start any new VNs until I finish my current one, which sounds sensible at first, but then it's kind of a kick in the balls when the one you've already started is a tedious OCD mess to get through. I'm thinking I should really just grow up and play Danganronpa.

 

 

Anyways, no, I haven't played recent visual novels. In fact, if you know any good ones, let me know. I can only recommend old titles that I really liked, if you're interested.

I like something like Hanachirasu.

 

Nasuverse is good, too, judging from the anime. Or maybe not. The ufotable anime of KnK and Fate (which I just binge-watched in the last 7 days. Now at UBW 2nd season ep 5) are great so I decided that's all I need, and wikia.

 

Basically that's the type I want: mature, adult, erotic but still has good story and characters. Mind-fucks and insane psychotic are welcome. Preferably fantasy setting. I don't mind full-blown, no censor sex scene but better be good art. The original Nasuverse's art and ufotable's art are hell and heaven...I just found out the first Fate anime's route has Saber...well, you know...and I lament why ufotable did not do that. If you do UBW and HF then do that one, too. I want to see Saber @$%*. WTF is wrong with them? The sacred country of JAV and hentai and you don't do what I like with your gorgeous animation? For shame...

 

Though a streak of dark, heavy stuffs would be too...heavy so if there's light, nice slice-of-life romance (no, not high school. Any thing from university or more mature?), I'm good to. Anything like Kuzu no Honkai or Bonnouji?

 

 

I have played VNs solely on rec and reputation. Ergo never discover cult, hardcore or underrated stuffs for myself. My experience is all famous (?) things like Comyu, Sata, Symphony etc. but that means I'm completely unaware of sleeper hits. Though I never venture out of my comfort zone because...VNs are really time-consuming so I don't want to feel I waste time on fucking myself. Kinda stupid to say that when I choose this animanga culture but still... :lol:


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#1024 Athos

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Posted 02 April 2018 - 11:56 AM

I'll be honest-- nowadays it's difficult to tell whether the ufotable adaptations or the original VNs are better. It was easy back when the only adaptation available was a joke, but now it's hard to ask someone to sit through a 50+ hours book when the only advantage it brings to the table is Nasu's take on 2d erotica.

 

Also, don't feel bad for only reading the popular ones. It takes a better man than me to start reading a porn game without the slightest bit of context, much less translate it. The only reason why I'd ever start reading without... SOME kind of endorsement would be because I happen to like the author and I want to see more. This is also why I'll never see another Liar Soft game. It sounds like I'm the only one who likes those...

 

By the way, we've already had this conversation about 20 posts ago, so maybe something from there? The only thing I'd add would be Kara no Shoujo 2-- which is pretty damn flawless, except maybe for the sin of being the sequel to Kara no Shoujo. I would be tempted to recommend it, even if you never played the first one, but then you'll probably end up very confused by the epilogue.

 

I'd be really grateful if someone else saw your question here. I can tell how having only one guy making suggestions would get tedious.


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Posted 02 April 2018 - 02:45 PM

I mean, to say the erotica is the only thing the novels have over the series is a bit unfair I would say. Clearly, even if only by virtue of being so long, there's a lot more context, detail and narrative to the games. I doubt the HF movies are going to hit the breakdown of Shirou in HF quite as well as the novels did after all. 

 

I agree they're pretty close though, and that if you don't already like reading there's probably not *a lot* to be offered by the novels, but there isn't nothing. 

 

For recommendations though, that's a bit harder as actually a lot like Athos I haven't played a lot of them recently haha. That is, unless you count stuff like Phoenix Wright and Danganronpa. I've been working on other stuff in my backlog for the mostpart so I don't have a lot in the way of recent recommendations. Though if you're only just getting into it I suppose that's less of a problem. 

 

I don't actually recognize any of the big hits you've mentioned so that might make my job a little harder though to cater a specific recommendation to your tastes haha. The most recent ones I've played I think last year that I liked would probably be Eden* and Root Double. Don't think I'd do a much better job of summarizing them than their already existing summaries would so I won't try too hard. They're low sci-fi, one at a military base trying to find a way to save a dying earth and the other is dealing with telepathy and a nuclear plant melt down. 

 

Older series, I can't rightly *not* recommend the stuff Kotaro Uchikoshi has worked on. The Zero Escape and Infinity Series are some of my favorite works after all. G Senjou no Maou (Devil on the G String) perhaps? Not a lot is coming to mind. Especially not of fantasy settings now that you've mentioned it, I don't think I've read any besides Fate.


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#1026 Fulmine

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 06:46 AM

I'm sure what the VNs have more than the anime is not just erotic stuffs but that's why wikia exists. With the choice of gorgeous and competent adaptions like ufotable's it's indeed hard to find motivation to sit through the VNs, at least for me. Well, if they re-release the VN with ufotable's art then I might play the Saber route just to see the sex scene hahahaha. Seriously, if you can't do a good job then leave it to the pro, why did you commit the gravest sin, DEEN? :banghead:

 

If there's one thing I don't understand from Fate/Zero, it's no one questions the Church's impartiality when Kirei is the Father's son...

 

I just checked my VN folder. For some reason I buried it in the most obscure place ever. Took me half an hour to go over all folders to find it...apparently I already have G Senjou downloaded :rly: 


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#1027 Athos

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:02 AM

When you have the music, the artwork, and a reasonable amount of the story, the biggest loss while adapting fiction is probably the narration and any otherwise unspoken dialogue and information from the source. Sometimes it works to its benefit-- I don't know many people who miss Tolkien's description of the luscious landscapes at every ******* corner of The Lord of the Rings, but sometimes the simple lack of narration takes away more than half of its original value, like most Discworld adaptations.

 

If you ask me where does Nasu fall in this scale, I'd say... I guess more on the Lord of the Rings side? He focuses mostly on describing the scene and how the protagonist is feeling, which can more or less be reproduced in animation. Of course, there are other unfortunate changes, like how any kind of choice selection and player interaction is lost, different endings, lack of comedy, the anime adds some original scenes and emphasizes Rin's tsundere-ness, no porn... Funny thing is, UBW anime is also kind of like the Lord of the Rings in that Ufotable heavily changed the tone of the source material to match their previous hit, Fate Zero-- much like The Hobbit film turned a lighthearted adventure into some kind of badass prequel to The Lord of the Rings. 

 

The sad thing is, the proper way of things has already been lost to you, because it was always meant to go F/S N -> UBW > HF > F/Z. Saber's route was meant to be an introduction to the Holy Grail war if no funny business were to happen and everyone follows the rules, so you'll probably be bored to tears after Fate Zero and UBW-- and as a romantic route... well, let's not get into that.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is, in the grand scheme of things, you're not missing a whole lot by not playing the original F/S N game, but it's definitely not something that can be covered by reading a wikia.


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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:22 AM


and as a romantic route... well, let's not get into that.

now you make me curious a bit LOL

 

 


because it was always meant to go F/S N -> UBW > HF

Isn't the order completely dependent on the choice you make in VN?


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#1029 Athos

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:23 AM

The way the game works, you can get different endings on each individual route depending on your choices, but you always start with the Saber route, and you always do Heaven's Feel last.


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Posted 03 April 2018 - 02:57 PM

Yeah essentially you are locked out from the UBW and HF  routes until you do all the routes before them. There's still plenty of choices, and usually a good and true end to each route along with lots of bad/dead ends, but there is indeed an order to the main routes. Usually because they assume you have knowledge from old routes.


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“I promised, remember? I said I would save you even if it meant fighting the entire world.” “Yes…you did.”

Othinus narrowed her eye as the boy held her in his arms. She looked happy. She looked truly happy.

“But you don’t have to worry. I was already saved from the moment you said that to me.”


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Posted 03 April 2018 - 03:54 PM

Reading the info-dump-philosophy that is Nasu is something I would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think a lot of people feel that an increase in information and detail is an increase in quality -- particularly when it may explicitly explain ideas that can otherwise be inferred -- but I do feel like Nasu is best dealt with in anime. Cut out the giant lard that is his preferred writing style and boil it down to something more serviceable.

 

As for VN recommendations I've been told that Dies Irae is fantastic albeit chuuni as hell. I've read some Sorcery Jokers on and off when I needed to decompress from serious essays and books, but I wouldn't say it's a good use of your time either. It is "dark" and the writing isn't terrible, but it isn't introducing anything new.

 

Honestly, I feel like the best VNs are the funny slice-of-life ones. Whether it's translation difficulties or the original source, there is really no reason not to just read a book or an essay instead. But I also haven't read VNs in a long time either.


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#1032 Fulmine

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Posted 04 April 2018 - 02:11 AM


Reading the info-dump-philosophy that is Nasu is something I would not wish upon my worst enemy. I think a lot of people feel that an increase in information and detail is an increase in quality -- particularly when it may explicitly explain ideas that can otherwise be inferred -- but I do feel like Nasu is best dealt with in anime. Cut out the giant lard that is his preferred writing style and boil it down to something more serviceable.

Because you are so kind or it's that inhumane a punishment...?

 

But that says a lot... :devastated: Cause even the anime, if not for the great animation, music and certain voice acting that contribute to the awesome atmosphere, would still be hard to swallow despite interesting ideas and premises, at least the way I see it. The director of KnK's 1st movie and Fate/Zero is the same guy (who also directs Re: Creators, the clubhouse choice) and he has this shitty talkfest/mouthpiece directorial style that is presented through out all 3 works (KnK is the most bearable since only Touko talks much). Now if that's partly Nasu's fault, I can only imagine what it is like when he can just write it...

 

Still, Nasuverse has so many fans to the point that rubbish first anime series by DEEN sold 26k/vol on average which is, you know, HUGE HUGE success as far as anime sale goes. I don't think any sane person can love that shit for its animated features so must be original source's popularity. Unless more masochists exist than I think.

 

 


As for VN recommendations I've been told that Dies Irae is fantastic albeit chuuni as hell. I've read some Sorcery Jokers on and off when I needed to decompress from serious essays and books, but I wouldn't say it's a good use of your time either. It is "dark" and the writing isn't terrible, but it isn't introducing anything new.



Honestly, I feel like the best VNs are the funny slice-of-life ones. Whether it's translation difficulties or the original source, there is really no reason not to just read a book or an essay instead. But I also haven't read VNs in a long time either.

You mean the medium has inherent limit or flaw?

Isn't the joy of VN the sensory feast (pictures, visual effect, audio (voice action, sound effect)) and that we have different endings, precisely the things we can't have when just read novels? As for the story itself it just depends on the author's abilities. Unfortunately we happen to be born in an era where so far this medium (and also LN, animanga, webtoon etc. to different extent) doesn't have enough amazing creators yet.

 

There are a lot of factors of course, but I do think one day when there's no distinction between anime and films or manga/LN/VN/webtoon and serious literature *air quote* and people just accept there are different forms of story-telling art, things might be much better.

 

Though I do completely share that ''slice-of-life is the best'' thought. It's good entertainment and decompressing is indeed the perfect use. Though sometimes reading dark VN at night is pleasurable beyond words.


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Posted 04 April 2018 - 03:37 AM

I mean it's not the medium itself that's the problem that DEW is pointing out so much as it is the fact that the large majority of the time you can't trust it to be a good translation. Which is definitely fair. I'd say some of the more popular ones dodge this pitfall, but it's certainly something a lot of them have, even FSN is a mediocre not amazing translation that misses a good amount as I recall.


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“I promised, remember? I said I would save you even if it meant fighting the entire world.” “Yes…you did.”

Othinus narrowed her eye as the boy held her in his arms. She looked happy. She looked truly happy.

“But you don’t have to worry. I was already saved from the moment you said that to me.”





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