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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:41 PM

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Yeah, that´s major development for her whether you want to admit or not. You are redefining the term and ignoring development to fit your  biased opinion.
 
 
No it´s development because it fleshed out Chad´s powers and his beliefs about his skin. You don´t seem know what development is. 
 
Lololololoollolol. You just proved that you don´t know what development is. Having more power does not equal development. It´s how Ichigo embraced his hollow and knew what his hollow always wanted that is the development. It´s Ichigo stopped fearing his hollow that´s the development. It´s Ichigo understanding his hollow that´s the development, but hurr durr Getsuga Tensho, lol. 
 
It´s cute how you are moving goal posts from no development to sad. Lol you have no leg to stand on, you did not even refute anything. Ichigo wanting to be a shinigami and abandoning his normal life is major development.
 
Lol you are so sad, hurr durr that´s it......
You just dismissed a page where it´s explicitly stated that Ichigo has grown because of spelling error, because you have no leg to stand on. 
 
Byakuya, Renji, Kenpachi, Yamamoto, Ikkaku, Ulquiorra, Soi Fong have developed, 
Byakuya developed by casting his stubbornness and his way to look at his position as a noble and defending his sister in the SS arc when he intercepted Gin´s sword. He acknowledged that Rukia is his pride in the HM arc. He cast his pride aside in the last arc when he begged Ichigo to help SS. 
 
Kenpachi has just had development.
 
Renji had a lot of development in the SS arc. He went from helping to capture Rukia to fighting her brother to have her released. He learned for defeating Byakuya. 
Yamamoto has changed his ways on how he does things, when he allow the captains to pour their riatsu into Urahara´s sword and give Ichigo his shinigami powers back. That´s one of the most taboo things in SS. Yamamoto developed. 
Ikkaku developed from wanting to die under Kenpachi to only wanting to die for people who wanted to die for him. 
Ulquiorra went not understanding what people were feeling to understanding what they feel. 
Soi Fong went from hating Yoruichi into loving her because she understood why Yoruichi did what she did. 
 
Characters that got fleshed out
 
Isshin is getting fleshed out in this flashback. 
Tousen got fleshed out with regards to his view on justice, SS. He threw everything that had to do with shinigami because he hated them that much. 
Shunsui showed that he is not a really "good" guy when he attacks people from the back. His philosophy is wining at all costs and disregarding ho´nor and everything else. 
Gin got fleshed out and we finally knew why he did what he did. 
Yumichika got fleshed out and we see why he was hiding his real power. 
Masaki and Ryuuken have gotten fleshed out.
 
And those are on the top of my head. 
 It´s true that you are a fanboy and don´t know what you are talking about. You don´t know what development is since you think that development is only related to power. You spin and ignore what the manga says to fit your agenda. You move your goal posts from no development to lol that´s sad in 7 years, even though the manga shows major development for the characters.

 
 

Cos it saaaaaaaaacks

 
 

Which was all the more reason they should have stuck together, or fought in groups, no?
 
They were a group of five, in enemy territory, and clueless about the strength of the enemy they were facing. Going off by themselves, and trusting the enemy to adhere to a code of honor, was inviting disaster. In terms of raw power, Rukia was the weakest of their group, someone should have gone with her. Had AA not been toying with her, she would have wound up joining Kaien, for the exact same reason: her pride.
 
 
Which doesn't change the fact that they teamed up to defeat a mutual enemy.
 
 
I meant the latter, when they were fighting Yammy. That situation further proved how foolhardy it was for them to try to take on the Espada individually. If they had gone through with their original plan, most (if not all of) them would have been killed.

  • Hisagi also teamed up with Komamura (who didn't object), in order to fight Tousen.
  • Prior to that, Komamura joined in on Shinji's battle, and told Shinji he wouldn't hear any complaints about the decision.
  • Komamura did the same thing, when Hitsugaya finally made his move against Aizen (now that I think about it, that's twice he's butted into someone else's fight).
  • and Hisagi and Kira were planning to fight Poww together, before Komamura intervened.
So it wasn't like Aizen was the only one they ganged up on. The point was, the idea of trying to take the Espada on one-on-one, was only feasible for 9-5, and barely at that; since no.9 would have been more than enough to kill Rukia. Which she admitted to herself.
 
Szayel would have been damn near impossible for any one person to kill on their own (excluding Soi Fon), due to his Gabriel ability. Zommari was his own worst enemy, and Grimmjow would've been too much for any of the nakama to handle (excluding Ichigo, who got his *** beat twice, and damn near killed both times). And there's no way any of them could have taken Nnoitra.
 
Their savings grace was Kubo's favorite sons showing up to give them an assist, (and Ichigo going H2 on Ulquiorra).

 

 
 

How come Szayel get such high credit with his ability? It's formidable but he's still no.8 anw. Unless he has a ''-'' sign in front of 8 :D Or do you mean among the group that infiltrate Hueco only?

 
 

if given prep he can
 
turn off powers 
lower reiastu
create clones to wear people down
heal himself by eating his minons 
has voodoo dolls

 
 

Szayel was essentially the Espada's "Mayuri", in that he wasn't much in direct combat, but his lolscience more than made up for it. The man modified the room to prevent Renji from using his bankai, and could regenerate by eating his fraccion.
 
Gabriel was his trump card. Even on the off chance someone managed to kill him, he could come back to life by impregnating his opponent (assuming they're female*), killing them in the process.
 
About the only person who could've prevented it, would've been Soi Fon, because NK leaves no trace of the victim behind. So there would've been nothing left of Szayel to impregnate her with. And that's assuming he lasted long enough against her to release in the first place, and assuming he was somehow fast enough to catch her.
 
 
 
 
The nakama had no chance of beating Szayel, including Ichigo. If Szayel could modify a room to restrict Renji's bankai, it's no stretch to say he could have done the same to restrict Ichigo's, provided his research included information on him. Meaning, Ichigo would be up sh*t creek since he's utterly dependent on his bankai. Even if he killed Szayel (somehow), there'd be no way to prevent him using Gabriel.
 
 
 
note*: The manga never specified whether Gabriel only works on females or not. But if we're to take what he said about impregnating the victim at face value (meaning, in the literal sense), it might have been useless on males. On the other hand, it may have worked similar to the Xenomorphs ability to impregnate their victims. Meaning, gender wouldn't have been an issue.

 
 

You've never noticed the process of justification that occurs before two protagonists team up to fight an opponent? There's a reason that process occurs.
 
 
 
You're assuming the same situation would have unfolded had everyone been in a group. Would Aaroniero have targeted Rukia in the way he did when she was alone? If not, who would his opponent have been? In a group situation, the first opponent is usually the main character. Had they been travelling through Hueco Mundo, the first port of call for battle would have been Ichigo; the best the gang could have hoped for in terms of fights would be mopping up any left-overs Ichigo wasn't currently fighting or, if joining in against the same opponent, being relegated to support roles - 'teaming up' with Ichigo never goes well for anyone he teams up with: Rukia and Uryuu are testimony to that.
 
In other words, had the group encountered Aaroniero together, there's a good chance there wouldn't have been any point in the Kaien trick because it wouldn't have worked on anyone but Rukia and a group dynamic would have neutralised the impact... and considering the manga indicated Rukia only ran into Aaroniero because Gin had manipulated the corridor layouts to ensure the encounter took place, it begs the question of whether the gang would ever have encountered Aaroniero at all had they travelled together in a group (at least in the way Rukia did). In this instance, people can respond with 'aha! But she wouldn't have ended up so close to death!' and I can observe 'Possibly, but there's also a very good chance she wouldn't have been given any fight to shine in either if everyone was travelling as a group'.
 
That's mainly because it's common (not universal, but very common) in the shounen format for the main character to stand out from the group when the group encounters conflict, so even if the entire gang is fighting, it won't usually be in a way that overshadows the main character unless there's a main character plot point at stake. The best way to give shounen protagonists their own spotlight is to split them up, which works well enough in settings where the fighting style is inspired by old-fashioned real-life battle etiquette (and again, a lot of shounen stories rely heavily on this type of inspiration).
 
When group fighting does happen, there's usually an extra reason floating around in the story for why it's occurring. Take the Renji/Uryuu team-up. There were actually two reasons floating around: the first was to show that Uryuu strongly believes in his grandfather's desire to see shinigami and quincies working together and that was the resolve that was driving him to fight side-by-side with Renji (yes, I know: it's not entirely obvious from the manga and is clarified in the databook).
 
The second, more obvious issue floating around that fight was that numbers were shown to be irrelevant to that type of fight. Not only did the pair go through a ritualistic 'justification' for why they were going to end up working together, but it was against an opponent who had already countered the powers of both before the fight even started... in other words, the fight with Szayel told us that numbers were not the key to defeating him - whether fighting him alone or in a group, that issue was irrelevant. The issue was countering his magic science, something none of his opponents were capable of doing until Mayuri arrived on the scene.
 
 
I think you're misunderstanding the concept of one-on-one battles. It's not about never engaging in group fighting ever, it's about a warrior's expectation to stand on his own two feet on the battlefield and that when a situation arises where a team effort might be required, a ritualistic justification ends up being played out whereby the characters teaming up find a way to do so without coming off as weak and incapable to their enemy.
 
This, in fact, goes to the heart of the issue Kyouraku was lecturing Rose and Love about. His lecture would be meaningless if it wasn't normal for the one-on-one ritual to be observed (or negotiated in an equally ritualistic fashion when flexibility was required). This was also the conflict within the Hueco Mundo invasion group: Ichigo and Uryuu were busy thinking about the 'what if' scenario whereas Rukia and Renji were pointing out that by contemplating the 'what if' scenario, they're making a mockery of the warrior's expectation to stand on his own two feet on the battlefield. Meanwhile, the characters that do typically engage in the 'what if' scenario or plan with it in mind, tend to be the shadier characters, even if they're on the protagonist's side... that's because what, in a modern sense might be viewed as 'common sense' or 'practical' might be viewed (in a more traditional sense, especially in the traditions shounen likes to romanticise) as 'dishonourable' or 'cheating' or 'weak' or 'cowardly' (etc.). A character therefore either has a shady reputation or has to go through a justification process to ensure their 'honour' remains intact. Kyouraku's point, of course, was that they don't really have the luxury of that kind of behaviour. The very fact he had to give the lecture at all, however, is precisely because most characters do handicap themselves with that kind of behaviour... as is normal (not universal, but certainly normal) in the shounen genre.
 
This actually makes it very interesting to see Kyouraku becoming captain-commander at a time when the enemy is one that has (to some degree, not completely, however) modernised from a more old-fashioned approach to battle. He's the one shinigami who teaches that shinigami must move on from this tradition-bound format and become more practical in how they fight in the process. He's the one shinigami with the right mentality to match what we've so far seen of the Vandenreich.
 
 
I've never believed Gabriel was gender-specific in terms of target, and I've always been confused as to why portions of the fandom think Gabriel works only on a womb. The manga seemed to have Szayel focused on the gut (well, the navel and intestines, anyway). Both men and women have these. I therefore don't think Gabriel is female-only... someone without a navel might possibly be immune, however. Now there's a thought. :)

 
 

Precisely, so what changed? Why has he suddenly allowed her to advance on her own merit? When did this shattering epiphany to cease being the overly overprotective brother occur, and what attributed to it? Further, how has Rukia reacted to her promotion? Does she have more confidence in her abilities, and herself as a result? Does she feel she's earned it, despite her past reservations?
 
This is what I mean when I say her promotion was (unsatisfactorily) thrown at us: don't just tell me she's suddenly a VC, show me the hows and whys. What inspired it; what resulted from it, for both her character and Byakuya's. I'm remaining quietly optimistic that at least some of these points will be addressed in the course of this arc, perhaps through some Kuchiki sibling bonding in the Royal Realm (please, Kubo, please!). Then again, any such progress happening is dependent upon Ichigo keeping his freak outs and angst-ridden mope-fests away from my baby girl long enough for her to focus on herself.
 
 
Oh, she can. I only wish that wasn't the foremost defining factor of her character as of late.
 
The Fullbring arc didn't do her any favours in this regard (didn't do anyone any favours, really). Any necessary growth and focus that could have been afforded to Chad, Orihime, Uryuu, and Rukia - given her promotion, as aforementioned - was disregarded for Ichigo's sake, and potentially hindered by Kubo scurrying to put an end to the whole dismal affair. Rukia shows up with Urahara's magic sword, stabs Ichigo, slaps him around, yells at him, and then gets distracted by some plushies in a fight she ends up losing. Lovely.  
 
Then there's the beginning of this arc; the last time she spoke was after awakening in a hospital bed following the Vandenreich's attack. A consequence from her being distracted by her brother's reiatsu as he was reduced to a bloody pulp, resulting in her frantically making her way towards him before being taken out from behind. Now, asking how her brother is, and if he's even alive, should be the first thing to come out of her mouth, right? It's not entirely unreasonable to conclude that she would comment on Byakuya following preceding events, yes? She was plenty concerned about his wellbeing following his fight with Zommari, and those wounds were virtually inconsequential. Conversely, Byakuya appeared to have actually died this time. 
 
But no, she says nothing of the sort. Rather, what we get is Rukia trying to make Ichigo feel good about himself for coming to 'save' them all, and then relaying to Shinji that there's something troubling him. A fact we, the readers, already know. So why oh why are panels being devoted to mentioning this? Primarily: to illustrate that Rukia can understand and read Ichigo. Which, again, we already know. It doesn't need to be stressed every time the kid has a "woe is me" sign stuck to his forehead. Nor should Rukia's character be reduced to doing just that. As I indicated above, there are other things she could be focusing on and troubling over instead.
 
 
It's all well and good to have friends who want to help you, and who do so. It cultivates the individual, after all. Unfortunately, any support Ichigo attains from his friends seems to be confined to the short-term, and up until he faces his newest opponent. Nothing they say actually sticks: he still freaks out, second-guesses himself, loses his resolve and the cycle begins anew. This doesn't simply diminish Ichigo's own progress and overall growth, it too detracts from the progression of the story and from everyone else's ability to develop and interact independent of the Berry (but again, that's just my own view).
 
 
I know. I don't mean to raise issue with that fact, only the trite implication stemming from it: that Ichigo is a special little cookie. A notion that has been raised and reinforced time and time again from every conceivable angle and from an inordinate number of sources.
 
I'm not too fussed by it, though. I refuse to be. If anything, I find it all rather amusing. And in the instance you quoted, I can simply shift my focus onto and appreciate Aizen's ingenious ability to capitalise on an opportunity and plan ahead. Because Aizen is perfect and makes everything infinitely better (for me). :)

 
 

My guess as to why Byakuya let her advance is because his original excuse holds no water. I think it was mentioned he wanted to keep her from being invovled in dangerous fights. Well she fought agaisnt arrancar and espada so by this point he had no reason to hold her back when hada already been invlolved in dangerous fights.
 
Would also explain the squad having an open spot for so long. The captain after a while probably intended to give her the position once that roadblock was dealt with. It's not exactly hard to replace a vice captain so there really would not be any other reason to why it was empty for so long.
 
 
 
While Ichigo is a wild combination he is not exactly the only one. He is just the only one with three ability pools. All three make sense giving the events surrounding his life. Quincy mom and a Shinigami Dad. The inffection probably explains why his turning into a hollow started with the mask rather then how most transformations go. Then there is what happened when he first fought Renji. The signs of him not being normal were there. At least in theory.

 
 

I guess most people were dissapointed simply because of the story progress and the building up of the arcs in general.
The SS arc had suspension, good fights and a great plot twist.
After that the Espada/Arrancar arc had no such thing as a great plot.
rescuing Orihime was a good idea but after that she was thrown away like garbage and it was the last time in this arc we saw her, Ishida, Rukia, Renji and Sado actually doing something.
It was good that Kubo introduced many characters with different personalities but he kept piling up new characters and the main characters ? got more in the background.
the turn back the pendulum arc was IMO the second best arc as it was well up build and gave us some answers.
Oh yeah and Kubo should really draw more backgrounds or actually make a page more than just a few words.
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:46 PM

this is one busy topic, there more people discussing why bleach gets so much hate then there are people discussing abount Bleach


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:52 PM

It seemed more like people flaming each other. 
 

This is what I mean when I say her promotion was (unsatisfactorily) thrown at us: don't just tell me she's suddenly a VC, show me the hows and whys. What inspired it; what resulted from it, for both her character and Byakuya's. I'm remaining quietly optimistic that at least some of these points will be addressed in the course of this arc, perhaps through some Kuchiki sibling bonding in the Royal Realm (please, Kubo, please!). Then again, any such progress happening is dependent upon Ichigo keeping his freak outs and angst-ridden mope-fests away from my baby girl long enough for her to focus on herself.

 
I guess it depends on whether Kubo keeps his word?
 

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:52 PM

this is one busy topic, there more people discussing why bleach gets so much hate then there are people discussing abount Bleach

Make a hate thread about any popular thing and it's guaranteed to be busy.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:58 PM

Make a hate thread about any popular thing and it's guaranteed to be busy.

i've been to 4chan enough times, thats basically an unwritten rule. But yeah, people that hate on bleach are generally just trying to sart a flame war. This is why the anime and videogame community have a bad reputation, despite being huge. 


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:55 PM

I was disappointed in bleach because of how Aizen became a butterfly and didn't bother to use his OBVIOUS AMAZING SHIKAI powers. "Hey lets use raw power so that the main character has some chance of beating me". And why didnt Yamamoto use his bankai then? Was he saving it for Kubo to sell more chapters and make a living a little longer? What about other captains and their bankais? Wasn't Aizen a good enough threat?

 

Also the fullbringer arc can be skipped like filler anime episodes and all you need to know is that Ichigo got his powers back. Character development? More like nerfing the main character AGAIN and making him cry and whine.

 

But since Aizen has great hair, I still read bleach



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:52 AM

^ So.....it's basically Aizen or GTFO?


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:08 AM

Also the fact that the good guy rarely dies. Now that its the last story arc kubo went like 'oh might as well' and he kills off unimportant people like that 1st lieutenant. As if anyone have a damn about him.

And again byakuya escapes death…Byakuya should have died in the SS arc after his fight with ichigo, it would have made it more meaningful.

I can let go of Aizen. It's just the way he was brought down was pretty retarded. "Oh I'm too cool to use my shinigami powers, lets become a freaking butterfly".

When has a villain decided to become a butterfly? Sure he was supposed to lose but Kubo should have given some reason as to why Ichigo overcame his hypnosis powers.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:15 AM

I honestly don't even know why he had to have a dress. Way to ruin someone's masculinity, becoming a butterfly with long hair and a white wedding dress.

 

I could almost agree with Byakuya, but I'd have preferred him dying after As Nodt attacked him.

 

Byakuya STILL lives after fighting the quincy. I wont be surprised if he still lived after Bleach has ended.

 

Kubo has a problem of not killing favorties. He should take advice from the Game of Thrones author; "Oh I see you became attached to this character, *decapitate* "



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:23 AM

Byakuya STILL lives after fighting the quincy. I wont be surprised if he still lived after Bleach has ended.

 

Kubo has a problem of not killing favorties. He should take advice from the Game of Thrones author; "Oh I see you became attached to this character, *decapitate* "

I know. Byakuya not dying after that means most likely he'll never die.

 

Well he did kill Ulquiorra and Gin, who were quite popular. Now matter how much I'd love Gin to live (since he's my 2nd favorite) I'm very glad he killed him. But they were part of the bad guys, so it's more like he doesn't kill good guy favorites.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:22 AM

Bleach get's hate because there are times when it's not good.  :psyduck:



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:29 AM

Byakuya STILL lives after fighting the quincy. I wont be surprised if he still lived after Bleach has ended.

 

Kubo Every Shonen mangaka has a problem of not killing favorties. They should take advice from the Game of Thrones author; "Oh I see you became attached to this character, *decapitate* "

 

Fixed that for ya!!! xD



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:37 AM

Were people actually expecting Byakuya to die? I thought it was pretty obvious that characters like him, Kenpachi and Hitsugaya are off limits. 



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:40 AM

The way Kubo wrote those chapters, yes I thought Byakuya was going to die. I think Kubo tried to kill him but in the end couldn't do it. That or fangirls threatening to kill themselves (it has happened before) or threatening to stop buying Bleach.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:13 PM

The way Kubo wrote those chapters, yes I thought Byakuya was going to die. I think Kubo tried to kill him but in the end couldn't do it. That or fangirls threatening to kill themselves (it has happened before) or threatening to stop buying Bleach.

 

I doubt it. Kubo has 1 or 2 inked, 3 or 4 chapters in pencil and probably a few more "set in stone" with his editor, all ahead of time.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:18 PM

It was his editor's fault, then!  :angry:   Or just Kubo being Kubo.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:11 PM

The way Kubo wrote those chapters, yes I thought Byakuya was going to die. I think Kubo tried to kill him but in the end couldn't do it. That or fangirls threatening to kill themselves (it has happened before) or threatening to stop buying Bleach.


You can't be serious? Fan girls threatening to ki themselves lol.
All good guys are immortal. Even Hinamori, she's immortal. Getting stabbed twice does not mean jackshiz.

One more thing that bothered me. Why didn't they revive the now dead guys of SS in this Quincy arc using hachi or orihime. Don't tell me it's pride, that's a b.s reason

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:55 PM

Juha Bach shares your same disdain ruz. The reason Shigekuni didn't let Orihime heal his arm to go back to his retard kung-fuing self was because he didn't wanna owe anything to a human. If I was Shigekuni, that would've been the first thing I would've done AFTER Aizen's defeat.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:05 PM



I was disappointed in bleach because of how Aizen became a butterfly and didn't bother to use his OBVIOUS AMAZING SHIKAI powers. "Hey lets use raw power so that the main character has some chance of beating me". And why didnt Yamamoto use his bankai then? Was he saving it for Kubo to sell more chapters and make a living a little longer? What about other captains and their bankais? Wasn't Aizen a good enough threat?

 

Also the fullbringer arc can be skipped like filler anime episodes and all you need to know is that Ichigo got his powers back. Character development? More like nerfing the main character AGAIN and making him cry and whine.

 

But since Aizen has great hair, I still read bleach

Aizen became drunk on power.  He felt he had ascended above his Shinigami powers and they were deemed unnecessary

 

Yamamoto didn't need to use his Bankai.  His Shikai was more than enough for Aizen.  I'm sure Kubo was also saving it for Bach considering how prominent it was when they fought in the past.  

 

As far as the other Captains, you have to keep in mind that their Bankai are encompassing.  Meaning, those around will be caught up in the action directly or indirectly.  For example, Mayuri's Bankai spews poisonous gas everywhere, Soifon's Bankai creates a huge recoil which could blow all of them away, etc..  Using Bankai would have granted them more power but at the cost of ruining their teamwork and hindering/harming their own allies.   Ukitake prevented Shunsui from using his Bankai against Stark because he thought everyone else shouldn't see it.  So, pride plays a part into it as well.

 

The FB Arc was the foundation for what will become relevant now and onward.  The incident with Masaki being a prime example.  


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Sajin Komamura - "I won't tell you not to hate me. I won't tell you not to bear a grudge against me. All I ask is that you don't sacrifice yourself for the sake of revenge. If you were to do that, and I were to lose you, like you lost your friend, it would break my heart."

 

Tousen Kaname - "...Thank you...Komamura."


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:23 PM

Aizen became drunk on power.  He felt he had ascended above his Shinigami powers and they were deemed unnecessary

 

Yamamoto didn't need to use his Bankai.  His Shikai was more than enough for Aizen.  I'm sure Kubo was also saving it for Bach considering how prominent it was when they fought in the past.  

 

As far as the other Captains, you have to keep in mind that their Bankai are encompassing.  Meaning, those around will be caught up in the action directly or indirectly.  For example, Mayuri's Bankai spews poisonous gas everywhere, Soifon's Bankai creates a huge recoil which could blow all of them away, etc..  Using Bankai would have granted them more power but at the cost of ruining their teamwork and hindering/harming their own allies.   Ukitake prevented Shunsui from using his Bankai against Stark because he thought everyone else shouldn't see it.  So, pride plays a part into it as well.

 

The FB Arc was the foundation for what will become relevant now and onward.  The incident with Masaki being a prime example.  

You got that right of the FB arc. Kubo upgraded from showing commando Riruka to full blown naked Masaki.






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