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#181 capu

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:00 PM

Just wanted to comment to the "weakness" of BM.

 

Well first thing we know is that Bruleé herself said that Apoo, Kidd, Capone and Urouge all already infiltrated/attacked WCI, still all of them were defeated, with ONLY Urouge being significant enough to be able to defeat 1 commander (http://mangaseeonlin...837-page-8.html)! This essentially actually underlines Bruleé's statement, that the invaders were "swiftly escorted" , as like in saying easily beaten, which in turn means, that the current worst generation is not actually able to back up their fame (http://mangaseeonlin...837-page-9.html), of course the fact of the matter remains, that we dont know, when the others attacked BMs territory, but since Urouge is still wounded, at least he could have fought BM just recently.

As such, while i still think it a bit strange, i can understand why BM "just" send Bruleé to defeat half the SHs (realising this might not do it, send Cracker as back up). The fact that BM send Cracker right away actually screams that she deems the SHs to be a bigger threat then the ones of the worst gen who previously entered! And before u say, wait u r so wrong all of the worst gen fought like hell, here is a manga page that says otherwise (and remember Bruleé already stated "swiftly escorted): http://mangaseeonlin...837-page-9.html notice: "semblance of a fight" that essentially specifically states, that all the former rookies were "fodder" compared to BMs forces, while not even being backed up by a commander and consequently it is not that far fetched when u believe 1 of ur commanders to be able to defeat (remember ONLY half the crew there http://mangaseeonlin...35-page-14.html) the SHs, since 1 commander ordinarily sufficed.

Moreover the  fact that the SHs were missing for 2 years (and noone suspects Mihawk to have trained Zoro, or weatheria to teach Nami and so on) makes it difficult to judge for others, as to where the SHs stand. The fact that DD was beaten also, while being an indicator, has to be taken with a grain of salt as well, since not only did the entire country back up the SHs but also the shicki Law, furthermore there was the marine admiral around! Therefore BM might have falsely estimated the defeat of DD, not only to be the consequence of the powerlvl of the SHs but also the added shicki on the top as well as a possible interference of an admrial, making her misjudge the SHs lvl. And imo referring to the presentation in the news and the video transmission, well the admiral apologizes for whats happened to the country, being there having witnessed it all, staying in the center of destruction, ..... hmh ...... what might that mean --> perhaps he has had his hands in the downfall of DD.

 

Ergo BM comparing the SHs power to the ones of the SHs generation, leads to BMs misunderstanding of the superiority the SHs have over the rest of the worst gen. Therefore she made the mistake of, while having known that Cracker did not call in and say hello, not acting directly, but since the enraged army was capable of defeating Luffy and Nami anyway (which according to her knowledge meant that 4 out of 6 SHs were already done in, since Bruleé already told her she got them, so why in hell worry about the others, when even the bounty posters, tell u whom to beware of, with all the higher bounty people being in custody/dead/under watch/captured (Brook, Pedro, Sanji, Luffy) (although bounty might be misleading, in many cases it has its reference to power, or better say at least gives u a good hint)).  

 

Of course many things in BMs crew go wrong, like having the children want to fight/kill each other or making them compare to each other, yet still as of now that all was enough to beat anyone who dared challenge her, consequently why bother? Sure as hell the fear the children have of BM also hinders her info garthering (like whom is to say that Bruleé and diesel will tell her about the poneglyph copy, also there is jinbei and luffy/nami escape being hidden from her) but perhaps she wants it to be that way, because of situations of the past, where is became clear that if she acts differently it is even worse? Perhaps she just is a believer of the way: competition is good for business?



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:20 PM

Nope, more like how Oda draw them, BM is fat so her nose is bigger, and since Mont d'or and Brulée are less fat the only difference come from the color. (not much difference into the shaping, except the pointy tip of Mont d'or)

 

ah, that's reasonable, makes me wonder how would Bìg Mom look if she was more thin, while keeping her base features

 

 

I thought you were talking more about: how thoses that difference makes them siblings.
My mistake.

 

at first i was thinking Brulee and Mont D'Or had something in common, since from afar they both looked like having "long dark crooked noses", which looked similar
but after finding some close ups, they don't look so similar

my comment about details was to point out i was making that comparison using "long dark crooked noses" and not just "long nose", which looked like what you and kidd were going with the discussion, sorry for the confusion


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:59 PM

Just wanted to comment to the "weakness" of BM.

Well first thing we know is that Bruleé herself said that Apoo, Kidd, Capone and Urouge all already infiltrated/attacked WCI, still all of them were defeated, with ONLY Urouge being significant enough to be able to defeat 1 commander (http://mangaseeonlin...837-page-8.html)! This essentially actually underlines Bruleé's statement, that the invaders were "swiftly escorted" , as like in saying easily beaten, which in turn means, that the current worst generation is not actually able to back up their fame (http://mangaseeonlin...837-page-9.html), of course the fact of the matter remains, that we dont know, when the others attacked BMs territory, but since Urouge is still wounded, at least he could have fought BM just recently.
As such, while i still think it a bit strange, i can understand why BM "just" send Bruleé to defeat half the SHs (realising this might not do it, send Cracker as back up). The fact that BM send Cracker right away actually screams that she deems the SHs to be a bigger threat then the ones of the worst gen who previously entered! And before u say, wait u r so wrong all of the worst gen fought like hell, here is a manga page that says otherwise (and remember Bruleé already stated "swiftly escorted): http://mangaseeonlin...837-page-9.html notice: "semblance of a fight" that essentially specifically states, that all the former rookies were "fodder" compared to BMs forces, while not even being backed up by a commander and consequently it is not that far fetched when u believe 1 of ur commanders to be able to defeat (remember ONLY half the crew there http://mangaseeonlin...35-page-14.html) the SHs, since 1 commander ordinarily sufficed.
Moreover the fact that the SHs were missing for 2 years (and noone suspects Mihawk to have trained Zoro, or weatheria to teach Nami and so on) makes it difficult to judge for others, as to where the SHs stand. The fact that DD was beaten also, while being an indicator, has to be taken with a grain of salt as well, since not only did the entire country back up the SHs but also the shicki Law, furthermore there was the marine admiral around! Therefore BM might have falsely estimated the defeat of DD, not only to be the consequence of the powerlvl of the SHs but also the added shicki on the top as well as a possible interference of an admrial, making her misjudge the SHs lvl. And imo referring to the presentation in the news and the video transmission, well the admiral apologizes for whats happened to the country, being there having witnessed it all, staying in the center of destruction, ..... hmh ...... what might that mean --> perhaps he has had his hands in the downfall of DD.

Ergo BM comparing the SHs power to the ones of the SHs generation, leads to BMs misunderstanding of the superiority the SHs have over the rest of the worst gen. Therefore she made the mistake of, while having known that Cracker did not call in and say hello, not acting directly, but since the enraged army was capable of defeating Luffy and Nami anyway (which according to her knowledge meant that 4 out of 6 SHs were already done in, since Bruleé already told her she got them, so why in hell worry about the others, when even the bounty posters, tell u whom to beware of, with all the higher bounty people being in custody/dead/under watch/captured (Brook, Pedro, Sanji, Luffy) (although bounty might be misleading, in many cases it has its reference to power, or better say at least gives u a good hint)).

Of course many things in BMs crew go wrong, like having the children want to fight/kill each other or making them compare to each other, yet still as of now that all was enough to beat anyone who dared challenge her, consequently why bother? Sure as hell the fear the children have of BM also hinders her info garthering (like whom is to say that Bruleé and diesel will tell her about the poneglyph copy, also there is jinbei and luffy/nami escape being hidden from her) but perhaps she wants it to be that way, because of situations of the past, where is became clear that if she acts differently it is even worse? Perhaps she just is a believer of the way: competition is good for business?


Ok first off. I don't want to be so quick to call the worst generation weak.

Do you know in the military to attack an enemy force and garentee victory you need 3:1 troops? And to attack a fortified position you need 5:1. I point that out to underline the value of the homefield advantage. And don't forget, the only reason the SH crew was able to escape the woods was because of the Vivi card nami had. Also we don't know which commanders were sent to deal with SN member, we also have no clue when any of the sn attacked. For all we know 1.5 years ago BM's #1 commander could of defeated Kidd. Or 2 years ago BM's number 2 could of defeated Hawkins.

And you question why only bluree was sent. Personally the way I always saw it was bluree wasn't sent, bluree is part of the suducing woods. Bluree was always there. She fits, her powers make the woods more confusing, she knew what she was doing that is for sure. To me she seemed as important a part of the woods as the moving trees.

To me asking why bluree was sent to deal with the SH is like asking why the 2 giants were attacking the franky family at water 7. They were there it is what they do. Just a theory, I find it hard to believe BM would "send" bluree to fight luffy when the much weaker mad monk just defeated a commander
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:37 PM

nah, after looking a better close ups they're all different
 
http://i.imgur.com/6ZUD2sw.png...  .  http://i.imgur.com/gX0he2T.png...  .  http://i.imgur.com/xQuo5dot.png...
 
Big Mom has a big nose, Mont D'Or has a long one with points, Brulee has a long dark one


Their father could've had a short pointy nose.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:51 PM

Their father could've had a short pointy nose.

 

a "dark short pointy nose" :lmao:

 

 

Oda should have had lots of fun making up this crew

he just needs to create a random character, then make it mate with Big Mom, pick some traits from the father, some other traits from Big Mom, and there it goes, a new random character with a lineage is born :hai:

but then he went overboard and hundreds of kids were born...

 

 

talking about other same father siblings, there is also Opera and the other bulky guys who resemble him



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:56 PM

Their father could've had a short pointy nose.

 

Probably they only "father" BM took her time with LOL :laugh:

 

 

a "dark short pointy nose" :lmao:

 

 

Oda should have had lots of fun making up this crew

he just needs to create a random character, then make it mate with Big Mom, pick some traits from the father, some other traits from Big Mom, and there it goes, a new random character with a lineage is born :hai:

but then he went overboard and hundreds of kids were born...

 

 

talking about other same father siblings, there is also Opera and the other bulky guys who resemble him

 

You could also said that they are like a group of "insects" or "vermin", whatever it is a hundreds children isn't possible for human but anyway.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 03:08 PM

Ya you have to give Oda credit he did go out of his way to make certain characters apperently from the same father.

You then have to take away that credit because he didn't go nearly far enough in some cases. Lola and .... Lola 2 are the same damn person, ophara and other guy... I thought one was a cream clone of the other honestly.
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 03:31 PM

Ok first off. I don't want to be so quick to call the worst generation weak.

 And don't forget, the only reason the SH crew was able to escape the woods was because of the Vivi card nami had. Also we don't know which commanders were sent to deal with SN member, we also have no clue when any of the sn attacked. For all we know 1.5 years ago BM's #1 commander could of defeated Kidd. Or 2 years ago BM's number 2 could of defeated Hawkins.

And you question why only bluree was sent. Personally the way I always saw it was bluree wasn't sent, bluree is part of the suducing woods. Bluree was always there. She fits, her powers make the woods more confusing, she knew what she was doing that is for sure. To me she seemed as important a part of the woods as the moving trees.

To me asking why bluree was sent to deal with the SH is like asking why the 2 giants were attacking the franky family at water 7. They were there it is what they do. Just a theory, I find it hard to believe BM would "send" bluree to fight luffy when the much weaker mad monk just defeated a commander

fair enough

 

dont really know whether i undertsand who u mean here, but out of bruleé comment that all others were fighing while NOT being able to win/defeat whomever they fought (and it wasnt BM), with ONLY urouge being able to defeat a commander and then afterwards having to fight and be defeated by cracker!

Ergo all fought and lost, only urouge won vs a commander then lost vs Cracker! And we know for a fact that the one commander that lost vs Urouge, no longer is counted as commander! See bruleés statement. 

Yes we dont know when they attacked, but unlike with Drake he did not immediatly engage an emperor as far as we know, but yes u r right here. 

 

i did not question why brulee was sent, what u mean?

BM sent Cracker too so......dont get ur 2 last passages....

 

 



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 03:38 PM

Ya you have to give Oda credit he did go out of his way to make certain characters apperently from the same father.
You then have to take away that credit because he didn't go nearly far enough in some cases. Lola and .... Lola 2 are the same damn person, ophara and other guy... I thought one was a cream clone of the other honestly.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 08:50 AM

fair enough

dont really know whether i undertsand who u mean here, but out of bruleé comment that all others were fighing while NOT being able to win/defeat whomever they fought (and it wasnt BM), with ONLY urouge being able to defeat a commander and then afterwards having to fight and be defeated by cracker!
Ergo all fought and lost, only urouge won vs a commander then lost vs Cracker! And we know for a fact that the one commander that lost vs Urouge, no longer is counted as commander! See bruleés statement.
Yes we dont know when they attacked, but unlike with Drake he did not immediatly engage an emperor as far as we know, but yes u r right here.

i did not question why brulee was sent, what u mean?
BM sent Cracker too so......dont get ur 2 last passages....


Oh forget the last paragraph then, it was something I saw a few others questioned so I must of miss understood what you were saying.
 
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