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#41 Fulmine

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:03 PM

And Jinbe is Luffy's equal in that cover. New M3 is Luffy, Jinbe, Law. :meditate:

 

I think the girl may even be the strongest Commander (given Big Mam's theme they may not use Commander as title. Maybe like Toriko's Bishokukai: head chef, sous chef etc.). If she has super CoO and that third eye can see 10 times better normal human or Byakugan or something she may be a formidable opponent.

 

Like, each Yonkou's First Mate/2nd-in-command may be specialized in one certain area. WB's has the best fruit (hate Marco or not, his fruit is just very useful/strong), Kaidou's is the strongest physically and best in hand-to-hand combat, Ben Beckman is the best in CoA and 3-eyes Girl is the best in CoO.

 

Then we have Dark King Rayleigh, greatly proficient in every fucking thing at his prime. Befitting of the PK's First Mate title.

 

In the future, Luffy's crew will have all 4. Zoro with CoA, Sanji with CoO, Jinbe with raw strength and FM Karate, and cause I'm pushing Kanjuro as NN, I vote for him having the best DF (Imagine one day he can draw like Sai :cry: )


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:19 PM

And Jinbe is Luffy's equal in that cover. New M3 is Luffy, Jinbe, Law. :meditate:

 

I think the girl may even be the strongest Commander (given Big Mam's theme they may not use Commander as title. Maybe like Toriko's Bishokukai: head chef, sous chef etc.). If she has super CoO and that third eye can see 10 times better normal human or Byakugan or something she may be a formidable opponent.

 

Like, each Yonkou's First Mate/2nd-in-command may be specialized in one certain area. WB's has the best fruit (hate Marco or not, his fruit is just very useful/strong), Kaidou's is strongest physically, Ben Beckman is best in CoA and 3-eyes Girl is best in CoO.

 

Then we have Dark King Rayleigh, best in every fucking thing at his prime.

 

that is just wrong though, the strongest fruit is owned by BB the darkness fruit is the most powerful. followed by the most powerful superhuman class the quake fruit. marco's fruit is far from the most powerful. honestly from what i have seen and the fact that there is a limit on healing hawkin's fruit seems to be a little more useful. although it cant fly.

 

besides using that logic, who is BB's 1st mate and what does he specialize in?


 
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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:22 PM


that is just wrong though, the strongest fruit is owned by BB the darkness fruit is the most powerful. followed by the most powerful superhuman class the quake fruit. marco's fruit is far from the most powerful. honestly from what i have seen and the fact that there is a limit on healing hawkin's fruit seems to be a little more useful. although it cant fly.


no, among themselves. Relative to each other, I mean.

 

Hawkin's fruit probably has limit also. I don't think he can produce those vodoo dolls infinitely.

 

 


besides using that logic, who is BB's 1st mate and what does he specialize in?

We don't know who is his 2nd-in-command so no idea. I'd like to think it's Shiliew with the best swordsmanship or weapon mastery in general.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:28 PM

And Jinbe is Luffy's equal in that cover. New M3 is Luffy, Jinbe, Law. :meditate:

 

I think the girl may even be the strongest Commander (given Big Mam's theme they may not use Commander as title. Maybe like Toriko's Bishokukai: head chef, sous chef etc.). If she has super CoO and that third eye can see 10 times better normal human or Byakugan or something she may be a formidable opponent.

 

Like, each Yonkou's First Mate/2nd-in-command may be specialized in one certain area. WB's has the best fruit (hate Marco or not, his fruit is just very useful/strong), Kaidou's is the strongest physically and best in hand-to-hand combat, Ben Beckman is the best in CoA and 3-eyes Girl is the best in CoO.

 

Then we have Dark King Rayleigh, greatly proficient in every fucking thing at his prime. Befitting of the PK's First Mate title.

 

In the future, Luffy's crew will have all 4. Zoro with CoA, Sanji with CoO, Jinbe with raw strength and FM Karate, and cause I'm pushing Kanjuro as NN, I vote for him having the best DF (Imagine one day he can draw like Sai :cry: )

 

I don´t think Oda will go there. In the crew itself, i can see that distinction between specialists being made (like Zoro, who has an affinity for CoA, fighting a CoA specialist) but not outside of the crew compared to other crews.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:33 PM

I don´t think Oda will go there. In the crew itself, i can see that distinction between specialists being made (like Zoro, who has an affinity for CoA, fighting a CoA specialist) but not outside of the crew compared to other crews.

Maybe.

I just like the idea.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:39 PM

no, among themselves. Relative to each other, I mean.

 

Hawkin's fruit probably has limit also. I don't think he can produce those vodoo dolls infinitely.

 

 

 

 

We don't know who is his 2nd-in-command so no idea. I'd like to think it's Shiliew with the best swordsmanship or weapon mastery in general.

 

I dont know start up hawkins had 10 that is a lot when you think about the fact they are all people. and instead of just healing he doesn't take damage to begin with and can reflect it back on other people. seems like it is more useful. ignoring the fact that he needs to do something to prepare them. and hopefully new hawkins can keep a single doll for more then one attack.

 

If you want to play that game we also don't know if any of the other emperors #2 user df.

 

 

maybe hawkins is a stretch, but in terms of power, marco's fruit is realitivly worthless, it is for the most part a logia defense with no offense, he is about as useful as the swamp fruit user, only he cant store unlimited weapons in himself. so he is actually a little more worthless then the swamp fruit user.


 
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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:44 PM


If you want to play that game we also don't know if any of the other emperors #2 user df.

which is why it's just speculation and my idea. I did not say they are facts or something...plus even if all the other Yonkou's 2nd have DF, Marco can still be the one with the best DF or DF-centred style of fighting. If they don't, then Marco's DF is the best by default.

 

 


but in terms of power, marco's fruit is realitivly worthless, it is for the most part a logia defense with no offense, he is about as useful as the swamp fruit user, only he cant store unlimited weapons in himself. so he is actually a little more worthless then the swamp fruit user.

Marco's regeneration works for everything. Caribou's intangibility is only invincible to non-Haki users (assuming no element is harmful for swamp)...so Marco is much better defensively.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:53 PM

which is why it's just speculation and my idea. I did not say they are facts or something...plus even if all the other Yonkou's 2nd have DF, Marco can still be the one with the best DF or DF-centred style of fighting. If they don't, then Marco's DF is the best by default.

 

 

 

 

Marco's regeneration works for everything. Caribou's intangibility is only invincible to non-Haki users (assuming no element is harmful for swamp)...so Marco is much better defensively.

 

got it.

 

 

 

no it doesnt. garp was able to land a hit on marco that did not heal.......it wasn't a big hit.......but it was not healed in the blue flames like all the others.

 

I think it is perfectly reasonable to say that garp proved that haki works on marco just like a logia user. unless you want to argue with me that garp used "love" to hit marco. perfectly reasonable, ignoring the fact garp probably only uses that ability on people he loves...... but either way we are speculating around the fact that there is solid evidence marco's regeneration does NOT work for everything.


 
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Posted 27 July 2014 - 02:07 PM


no it doesnt. garp was able to land a hit on marco that did not heal.......it wasn't a big hit.......but it was not healed in the blue flames like all the others.

 

I think it is perfectly reasonable to say that garp proved that haki works on marco just like a logia user. unless you want to argue with me that garp used "love" to hit marco. perfectly reasonable, ignoring the fact garp probably only uses that ability on people he loves...... but either way we are speculating around the fact that there is solid evidence marco's regeneration does NOT work for everything

Caribou won't get away with that either.

 

Obviously CoA can work against both since CoA is supposed to affect DF's power negatively but Marco's is regeneration. Logia's intangibility is, in a way, a ''dodging'' method. Once you get touched by CoA (does not have to be strong, just enough to touch the ''real'' body) aka you can't dodge anymore, if there's injury, it won't disappear and unless your physicality is enough you will get bothered by the injuries. With Marco's fruit it regenerates and actually erases the injury so regardless of the user's actual physical prowess he/she is refreshed as new. How is that inferior?

Of course Caribou can train his DF manipulation to admiral level but then he has to train. With Marco's fruit you don't need that aside from the transformation into Zoan's form which should be universally easy to everyone, unless the user is a retarded or too bad that he/she can't even use a DF at its basic level.

 

When I said ''work against everything'' I mean aside from the obvious Haki, as long as the limit is not reached, he can regenerate from anything. With Logia, there's a chance they get hurt by a superior element, like Ace vs Akainu or Crocodile vs water although in Croc's case he can absorb water to counter but still water remains something to be careful and aware of.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 07:16 PM

Caribou won't get away with that either.

 

Obviously CoA can work against both since CoA is supposed to affect DF's power negatively but Marco's is regeneration. Logia's intangibility is, in a way, a ''dodging'' method. Once you get touched by CoA (does not have to be strong, just enough to touch the ''real'' body) aka you can't dodge anymore, if there's injury, it won't disappear and unless your physicality is enough you will get bothered by the injuries. With Marco's fruit it regenerates and actually erases the injury so regardless of the user's actual physical prowess he/she is refreshed as new. How is that inferior?

Of course Caribou can train his DF manipulation to admiral level but then he has to train. With Marco's fruit you don't need that aside from the transformation into Zoan's form which should be universally easy to everyone, unless the user is a retarded or too bad that he/she can't even use a DF at its basic level.

 

When I said ''work against everything'' I mean aside from the obvious Haki, as long as the limit is not reached, he can regenerate from anything. With Logia, there's a chance they get hurt by a superior element, like Ace vs Akainu or Crocodile vs water although in Croc's case he can absorb water to counter but still water remains something to be careful and aware of.

 

what? marco's fruit requires much much much more training. caribou's fruit offers useful offensive powers at low skill levels. marco's fruit used by an unskilled user offers literally no offensive abilities.

 

 

healing is only so useful when he has no offense. all he can do is heal.

 

 

also all his fruit does is make him a more effective tank. in manga.........that is nothing impressive.....

 

 

 

the way i judge a fruit is "how much power would it give an average person" well......an average person with marco's fruit would be worthless. an average person with caribou's fruit would be.......well......caribou.... and he made it really far.


 
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Posted 27 July 2014 - 09:33 PM

It's a zoan, it's offensive powers are the increase in every physical aspect, as said by Lucci (maybe someone else but whatever). An average person would not be average after eating that fruit because he would have increased strength speed, etc.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:46 PM

what? marco's fruit requires much much much more training. caribou's fruit offers useful offensive powers at low skill levels. marco's fruit used by an unskilled user offers literally no offensive abilities.

 

 

healing is only so useful when he has no offense. all he can do is heal.

 

 

also all his fruit does is make him a more effective tank. in manga.........that is nothing impressive.....

 

 

 

the way i judge a fruit is "how much power would it give an average person" well......an average person with marco's fruit would be worthless. an average person with caribou's fruit would be.......well......caribou.... and he made it really far.

naw bro marcos fruit is OP enoguh that you dont need training.

 

you can just turn into a bird and spam fire everywhere


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 03:06 AM

you can just turn into a bird and spam fire everywhere

 

lol, why would he help his enemies ?


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 11:37 AM


what? marco's fruit requires much much much more training.

WTH? You just turn into Zoan form and the regeneration and flying are automatic...what's there to train aside from...turning into Zoan form?

 

 


caribou's fruit offers useful offensive powers at low skill levels. marco's fruit used by an unskilled user offers literally no offensive abilities.


healing is only so useful when he has no offense. all he can do is heal.

I was talking about defense.

 

Plus, flying offers mobility so it's an offensive help already...

 

 


also all his fruit does is make him a more effective tank. in manga.........that is nothing impressive.....

How is being a super tank not impressive? Maybe not to Admirals and Yonkou but to everybody else he's a nuisance.

 


the way i judge a fruit is "how much power would it give an average person" well......an average person with marco's fruit would be worthless. an average person with caribou's fruit would be.......well......caribou.... and he made it really far.

an average person with Marco's fruit would not get injured by Luffy's punch...plus an average person needs to train Logia reflex and manipulation if eating Numa fruit, but train nothing aside from turning into Zoan with Marco's fruit.

and getting to NW is not only about power...


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Posted 18 August 2016 - 04:24 PM

Olé, thread revival.

 

The Three Sweet Commanders - Cracker is one, so how do you think the group defines itself?

Is it Big Mom's three strongest fighters, or maybe something like her three favorite children? Or will there be more groups, and Sour Commanders are a thing?

With the the Beast Pirates also having Three Calamities (King, Queen, Jack, if Oda sticks with his notes) and Cracker's high-end bounty pointing to something strength-based, the first should be the most likely - if so, who could the other two be? Bobbins maybe, or other children?


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Posted 18 August 2016 - 04:48 PM

Who's Bobbins again?



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Posted 18 August 2016 - 04:57 PM

Who's Bobbins again?

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Olé, thread revival.

 

The Three Sweet Commanders - Cracker is one, so how do you think the group defines itself?

Is it Big Mom's three strongest fighters, or maybe something like her three favorite children? Or will there be more groups, and Sour Commanders are a thing?

With the the Beast Pirates also having Three Calamities (King, Queen, Jack, if Oda sticks with his notes) and Cracker's high-end bounty pointing to something strength-based, the first should be the most likely - if so, who could the other two be? Bobbins maybe, or other children?

I think they are the strongest fighters, and they would be Cracker, Bobbins and the three eyed girl.


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Posted 18 August 2016 - 05:39 PM


the three eyed girl.

 

I don't think the girl is a commander.



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Posted 18 August 2016 - 06:49 PM

Olé, thread revival.

The Three Sweet Commanders - Cracker is one, so how do you think the group defines itself?
Is it Big Mom's three strongest fighters, or maybe something like her three favorite children? Or will there be more groups, and Sour Commanders are a thing?
With the the Beast Pirates also having Three Calamities (King, Queen, Jack, if Oda sticks with his notes) and Cracker's high-end bounty pointing to something strength-based, the first should be the most likely - if so, who could the other two be? Bobbins maybe, or other children?


If bounty represents power (and danger itself changes it just around 50-100 thousand), I would love if Cracker was the weakest of BM's top 3, and the strongest was around a billion, and Jack was Kaidou's weakest (as in he's Jack while the other. are/can be King and Queen), so that Kaidou being the strongest Yonkou out there is clearly represented by his crew too

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Posted 18 August 2016 - 06:58 PM

Olé, thread revival.

 

The Three Sweet Commanders - Cracker is one, so how do you think the group defines itself?

Is it Big Mom's three strongest fighters, or maybe something like her three favorite children? Or will there be more groups, and Sour Commanders are a thing?

With the the Beast Pirates also having Three Calamities (King, Queen, Jack, if Oda sticks with his notes) and Cracker's high-end bounty pointing to something strength-based, the first should be the most likely - if so, who could the other two be? Bobbins maybe, or other children?

It's not that hard to guess. The 3 strongest. And even though WB's fleet wasn't based around that I would say the top 5 were the strongest. 1 and 2 were right hand and left hand. 3-5 were kind of jumbled up. The 3 calamities are the top for Kaidou. 






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