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Is the world better with or w/out religion? - Part 3


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#361 DarkNemesis

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 08:50 PM

So someone compared the Qu'ran, Old Testament, and New Testament. And it seems that the the Old Testament is the most violent out of the 3 and the Qu'ran is the least violent out of the 3. LINK

 

NOTE: this is not a definitive study, but it's an interesting one, nonetheless.


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Posted 10 February 2016 - 11:19 PM

Context is important to consider. Treating religious texts as cesspools of either uplifting or depressing buzzwords isn't exactly a solid approach for analyzing the amount of violence "propagated" by different religions.

 

There's much more to each of the Abrahamic faiths than their texts.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 03:57 PM

http://www.thetower....o-jews-allowed/

Not sure which thread to post this in but it's clearly related to the Jewish faith/ethnicity.
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Posted 15 February 2016 - 04:14 PM

http://www.thetower....o-jews-allowed/

Not sure which thread to post this in but it's clearly related to the Jewish faith/ethnicity.

 

True, but that is where the line between religion and ethnicity blurs. And really that article is about a country's policies being unfairly thrusted upon a people that may be related to but not necessarily directly connected to those policies.

 

In short, this is not a religion issue, IMO.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 11:29 PM

True, but that is where the line between religion and ethnicity blurs. And really that article is about a country's policies being unfairly thrusted upon a people that may be related to but not necessarily directly connected to those policies.

 

In short, this is not a religion issue, IMO.

It does help reiterate the question "is the world better with or without religion." Because you'd have to address it in its current state and say "yes", "no", or "it's more complicated than that, and here's why."


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 11:47 PM

To answer the general question, I still think the world is better with religion. But in regards to the article, I don't think the article really speaks to the issue. It's tangential, IMO.

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 12:09 AM

I'm confused about the article too. What is anyone trying to say using that article (in this thread)?



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Posted 16 February 2016 - 12:11 AM

I'm confused about the article too. What is anyone trying to say using that article (in this thread)?

trying to start a conversation on the stuff in religion that's less about the spirit and more about politics maybe?

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 12:18 AM

trying to start a conversation on the stuff in religion that's less about the spirit and more about politics maybe?

But that article is less about religion and more about the changes in liberalism.



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Posted 16 February 2016 - 12:22 AM

But that article is less about religion and more about the changes in liberalism.

true.maybe it could be about changing the tal from the religion aspect of things and tal more about our interations with them as society continues to progress? like alone its ust a standoff article about liberalism changing. but if we got a bunch oof different collums like that all talking about different societal interactions in different regions then it could still be relivent.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 03:31 PM

Also fits in that thread, but, eh.

 

http://qz.com/617445...cts-gay-rights/

 

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:25 PM

Attitudes against LGBT are deeply entrenched in Islamic values and tradition. There's no doubt that a society so averse to homosexuality would display crude and ignorant arguments or slogans against any lifestyle choice or sexuality that doesn't conform with their traditional heteronormativity.

 

In spite of that, throughout history, many Islamic scholars have struggled with contemplating the legal matters of homosexuality. There's practically unanimous agreement over the many centuries as to the illegality of homosexual sexual intimacy, but around what exactly constitutes gay sex, what's the punishment for being caught, punishment for proclaiming LGBT pride, there's clear conflict between scholars and between lawmakers as to how to manage the situation. 20 of around 60 largely Muslim countries haven't outlawed same-sex intercourse.

 

Homo-eroticism has also seen its day in Islamic history, particularly during the Ottoman period. Accounts among the ruling elite have been well-documented. To this day, there's a subset culture in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan which heralds captured boys and young men as dancers and sexual slaves (bacha bazi). Incidents of such have horrified U.S. forces, who're instructed by their superiors to simply tolerate, since the Afghan forces are their allies.

 

Part of the reason I never want to visit Pakistan ever, since there's many documented cases of young fair-skinned men being captured in places as south as Karachi and trafficked up north.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:25 PM


Attitudes against LGBT are deeply entrenched in Islamic values and tradition. There's no doubt that a society so averse to homosexuality would display crude and ignorant arguments or slogans against any lifestyle choice or sexuality that doesn't conform with their traditional heteronormativity.

 

It's interesting. Because I've heard quite a few Americans who go to the ME and come back saying they (the people of the ME country) have homosexual tendencies. The two examples I hear 99% of the time are men holding hands and kissing each other.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:37 PM

It's interesting. Because I've heard quite a few Americans who go to the ME and come back saying they (the people of the ME country) have homosexual tendencies. The two examples I hear 99% of the time are men holding hands and kissing each other.

 

Same for Muslim-majority nations in the subcontinent and southeast Asia. Among my father's generation and those prior, men strolling the streets arm-in-arm with one another isn't anything scandalous.

 

There's an argument to be made that sexual repression is to blame for this. Six of the top eight countries that visit pornography websites are Muslim countries, after all. Pakistan leads them all in searches for "bestiality" and "rape."


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:41 PM

Holding hands and kissing on the cheek is acceptable in some cultures because they don't view it as homosexual. Mainly because homosexuality isn't discussed very much to begin with. So those things don't necessarily have to have any homosexual emotions behind the acts.


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