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#41 Dark King

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Posted 04 November 2014 - 01:01 PM

I wanted for Sasuke to become a badass villain, and kill everyone who stands in his way. Didn't happen. :(



#42 Urazz

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 01:59 AM

One thing I would've preferred would've been Hinata getting more development and actually having a friendship developing with Naruto at first and then have it develop into a romantic relationship when she confessed to Naruto when Pain attacked.  Naruto would also react to her confession as well or at least be shown thinking about it.  It was due to the lack of development on Hinata and any kind of relationship to Naruto that caused me to really be against it.  It reminds me of Harry/Ginny in the Harry Potter series with how little development the romance got.

 

Sakura needed to move on from Sasuke in my opinion and I think Sasuke should not have survived the end of the story.

 

I wish Danzo/Root would've gotten more detail to it and that Kaguya never existed.



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 02:40 AM

Wow!  I have a long list of these.  Guess not.

 

#1 is the Uchiha's side of the coup.  Where were they the night of the Kyuubi attack?  They were either fighting Kurama or doing something else.  How did their decision for the coup go down?  How bad was their oppression?  Were they arrogant?  What convinced Shisui to NOT join the coup if so many Uchiha were for it, etc.

 

And the rest in no particular order

 

- Taka backgrounds.  They have so much potential to be the most complex broken characters with success stories breaking out of their past tragedies, but Suigetsu and Karin are reduced to unfunny joke fodder at the end and Juugo who would live and die for Sasuke is not even considered a friend by him!  goddamn!

 

- . . . Guess that's all I truly care about


 

Kaguya. She had basically no character development. Her arc was completely random

It should be obvious by now it was to hype (or make sense of) the movie The Last.


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#44 Morgion

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 06:01 AM

1. More expansion on the potential of Byakugan! I agree with everything that has been said about it previously in this thread. It wasn't introduced as an immensely inferior eye power to the Sharingan and shouldn't have ended up that way, especially knowing what we do now about the Byakugan origins. 

 

2. Not focusing so much on the whole Sasuke/Naruto drama. Instead, some time should have been spent on developing their fellow shinobi academy attendants! By the end of the manga most of them where basically fodder compared to Naruto and Sasuke. The power gap should never have been made that big. 

 

3. Less of the waste of space Sakura or just making her close to being Narutos and Sauskes equal in terms of power and talent from the get-go! I will never understand manga artists, that focus on the sh┼Źnen genre, love affair with the weak damsel and distress archetype in general!

 

4. Kishi trolling Orochimaru and not letting him live up to his full potential as a villain! Seriously, you build up a villain like that, nerf him early on, and never really give him a fight where he's at full power, going all out, and not playing around? I know some people would argue that he gave Oro that fight against Sarutobi, but in my eyes, the skills he showed later in a weakened state was more impressive than what he did in his fight against Sarutobi.  And yes, maybe that is because Kishi kept raising the bar for what is considered a powerful character, but that doesn't negate the fact that by the end, it looked like Oro was just messing around when he fought Sarutobi and paid a steep price because of it.  


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#45 Jekkusormi

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 09:23 AM

"A bit" late with this but here goes:

1st the Sharingan. The idea with 3 eye-based kekkei kenkais was nice and I was okay that 2 of them were in Konoha. So first Sharingan gave the user ability to mimic opponenta movements but suddenly it also gave free genjutsu on eye contact? Ok fine, Byakugan was taijutsu based so I guess Sharingan was good at genjutsu and it would have been cool for 3rd one to be ninjutsu based (which actually turned out to be true). But because Sasuke needed powerup and ofcourse it had to be done by the most emo way possible: killing the dearest person you have... and what you get? Some random special power + access to Susan'o. And oh man the naming of those... How does God of Storm and Seas related to free phantomarmor? Or black flames of Amaterasu to Goddes of Sun?
Oh wait, there's more. Kishi introduced Rinnegan and accidentally made Rinnegan better and/or cooler than Sharingan and because Sasuke HAS to be the coolest emo there is, suddenly Sharingan evolves into Rinnegan... pretty farfetched leap from mimicin movement and free genjutsu.

2nd is Naruto and his destiny. He starts as lonely orphan, who wants to become Hokage so people will notice him and he has demon fox inside him. Tragic, sad backstory, good goal, main character is set and off we go. He gets friends obviously, as well as nemesis. Fine, fine.
Later it is revealed he's son of 4th Hokage (not sure if he knew that or not), ok he's somewhat destined to become Hokage in first place but ok, moving on. Naruto gets stronger and stronger as he should since he's main character and all. But (luckily just) in the final chapters it's revealed that he and his nemesis are the reincarnations of Sage of 6 Paths' sons... I mean c'moon that takes so much from Narutos hard work if he was destined to become that strong anyway........
God I hate destiny, it's a way to lazy writing and whitetrash name for girl who is, well, destined to become a stripper.

3rd big flaw and maybe the biggest since it more or less revolves around 1st and 2nd rants and that is Konoha, more precisely Konoha and how EVERYTHING is connected to it.
1st there was the Byakugan lady (whose name I can't or even want to remember because she was just so overly hax and stupid). She had a son or two, who then had sons and so on until we get to era with many ninja clans, including Senju and Uchiha. And these 2 clans do something apparently unthinkable, they join up and make a village named Konoha. Apparently no other village formed later doesn't have such a history and deep roots...
Konoha is the only village with more than 3 mentionable clans, including ALL eye-based ones.
Kishi introduces us this rogue organization called Akatsuki which was actually cool. But who formed it? Oh yeah, Madara, Obito and Zetsu and where were the 2 Sharingan users from? Konoha... But maybe Zet...(Byagugan lady, 6 Paths' sons, Senju and Uchiha) oh fuck me...
Akatsuki has many members and surprise surprise every, single, one of them gets killed by Konoha ninja. I had hope Kisame in Bees and Raikages hands but I got bamboozled and it was just Zetsu clone. Kisame himself was killed by Guy, the strongest taijutsu user, also from Konoha.
Hashirama and Madara were the 2 most strongest ninjas ever and what did they form?Exactly...
Well atleast Konoha didn't have all the Jinchuurikis/Bijuus, maybe just tje strongest one.
Yes I'm aware that our main cast is from Konoha and obviously it's playing a big role but honestly Kishi, give other villages something.

Those were the Big 3 of my rants and have some others too like neglecting other Narutos classmates, Itachi being OP because he needs to be cool Sakuras insane obsession with Sasuke.

There are a few things I liked like basically everything before timeskip, elemental ninjutsu and their compatibles, elemental kekkei kenkai and Akatsuki but nevertheless in my right mind and body I just can't possibly recommend this series to anyone, ever.

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#46 Brilchan

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Posted 25 May 2020 - 12:20 PM

Ok been thinking of making a separate topic for this but I think it will fit good here. Naruto as a manga failed in its core premise and its main character is a HUGE hypocrite Boruto makes it 100000% assassinating his character let me elaborate on this further:

 

A week ago I had a long discussion with a dude on FB making the same arguments I still have fun with the manga but I do feel betrayed by it! Bonus points Kaguya as the final boss CAME FROM NOWHERE! Her plot did not make sense. Second bonus point in Boruto (not written by Kishi but he oversees the whole structure) Naruto the orphaned boy who wanted a family all his life BECOMES A BAD Father. His a slayerman using up all his shadow clones taking away C rank missions from Genins! Like seriously he uses up his chakra doing stupid stuff like helping a civilian granny carry her groceries and then he does not have any energy to be a husband and a father! He could easily make his clones do all the necessary paperwork and spend time with his real body being with his family getting the love he desired but he does this the other way around!

 

I wanted to share these 2 YT videos that made me think more in-depth about this topic:

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I understand that the ending and the problems I have with both of those series are Rooted in Japanese culture and mythology maybe if I grow up with those legends and a society that said that lies becoming a Slayerman is a good thing maybe it wouldn't feel as jarring to me. It's just sad  


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#47 paka

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Posted 25 May 2020 - 10:03 PM

Naruto as a manga failed :hurr: - list of Naruto manga achievements and how it changed manga in the same genre
Naruto takes away missions during peaceful times in Boruto series :meh: - I'm missing something
Naruto is wasting chakra :laugh: - No comment
Kaguya as the final boss CAME FROM NOWHERE! :hmm: - Can we still say that after watching Boruto

He could easily make his clones do all the necessary paperwork and spend time with his real body being with his family  :thumbup:

We all agree he fails in most areas when it comes to parenting/father... especially not being there in-person but
 - He cares for his family... no doubt
 - He looks out for them more than necessary (privileged children and wife)
 - He protects them... see his fights when they were put in danger
The list is long in both his failures and successes... we can all conclude he had/has very little experience and is learning on the job on how to be a father... he prioritizes safety of the whole village - true but that's not necessarily a bad thing

Naruto series has ended and the verdict is out, while Boruto is still on going... so far Boruto is worse in comparison, but it's still a long way from being over... lets wait and see if we get a Boruto Shippuden - time skip - I wouldn't hedge my bets on it


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#48 Brilchan

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Posted 26 May 2020 - 09:58 AM

 

Naruto as a manga failed :hurr: - list of Naruto manga achievements and how it changed manga in the same genre

 

As much as I respect its successes and the fun I had with it failed on the NARRATIVE lvl in my opinion probably many of the changes were forced by editors some of them were nice like the Chuning exam Arc while Kishi wanted to do more missions.

 

But it had so much potential as a story about hard work overcoming genius and talent and it turned into a chosen one narrative with a overly complex reincarnation subplots.


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 01:14 PM

The manga was a huge success, does not take away from our disagreements with parts of it... To me the part where Naruto failed is power scaling...

 

Kyuubi Chakra Mode > Kurama Mode > Kurama Sage Mode > Six Paths Kurama Sage Mode

Susanoo:Rib Cage > Mangekyo Sharingan:Incomplete Susanoo > complete Susanoo > Armored Susanoo > Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan > Rinnegan > Perfect Flying Susanoo > Ultimate Tailed Beast Susanoo

 

Madara > Eye thief > Rinne Sharingan > Madara's improved Sage Transformation

 

Obito > Ghosts

 

Kakashi > Complete Ghost Body Susanoo :jawdrop:

 

Most of these happened within one fight :facepalm:


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 04:27 PM

Naruto as a manga failed :hurr: - list of Naruto manga achievements and how it changed manga in the same genre
Naruto takes away missions during peaceful times in Boruto series :meh: - I'm missing something
Naruto is wasting chakra :laugh: - No comment
Kaguya as the final boss CAME FROM NOWHERE! :hmm: - Can we still say that after watching Boruto

He could easily make his clones do all the necessary paperwork and spend time with his real body being with his family  :thumbup:

We all agree he fails in most areas when it comes to parenting/father... especially not being there in-person but
 - He cares for his family... no doubt
 - He looks out for them more than necessary (privileged children and wife)
 - He protects them... see his fights when they were put in danger
The list is long in both his failures and successes... we can all conclude he had/has very little experience and is learning on the job on how to be a father... he prioritizes safety of the whole village - true but that's not necessarily a bad thing

Naruto series has ended and the verdict is out, while Boruto is still on going... so far Boruto is worse in comparison, but it's still a long way from being over... lets wait and see if we get a Boruto Shippuden - time skip - I wouldn't hedge my bets on it

meh he have ino and can make 1000 clones. It is can of hard reasoning why Naruto doesn't spend time with his family.


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 09:58 PM

meh he have ino and can make 1000 clones. It is can of hard reasoning why Naruto doesn't spend time with his family.

 

If only the clones were not so independent and dependent... they seem to have a mind of their own sometimes - falling asleep and losing a clone blew everyone's mind, but we've moved on from that... just another day in Boruto

 

Ino doesn't do paperwork, groceries :lol: - peace is won at the table, not while throwing punches... welcome to the new era - Ino is just convenience... allowed Koji to just walk in... couldn't she tell Jiraiya was already dead  :shrug: 


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Posted 20 June 2020 - 11:30 PM

meh he have ino and can make 1000 clones. It is can of hard reasoning why Naruto doesn't spend time with his family.

 

I think we can hulk this up to Japanese Slayerman culture its a shame that this manga promotes these harmful values but both Naruto and Sasuke are acting like traditional Japanese fathers loving their families but living for there work and company and being neglectful to there loved ones.

 

 

 


Kaguya as the final boss CAME FROM NOWHERE! :hmm: - Can we still say that after watching Boruto

 

While it is good that they are trying to explain it better it still seems like it came from nowhere ancient aliens do still seem iffy in this setting even if they fit the whole modernity /progress vs tradition / old ways the main theme Boruto seems to be going with.

 

I do agree with you Packa that Naruto has a problem with power scaling but that has been a problem for most shonen since DBZ :P

 

 

 


Naruto takes away missions during peaceful times in Boruto series :meh: - I'm missing something

 

He uses those clones to do basic genin lvl tasks like helping an old lady with her groceries the kids should be doing that not the Hokage's Shadow clones xD but that seems to be another part of the Japanese workman mentality overwork yourself even if you don't have too. If he wouldn't waste his energy on stuff like that he would be a better father and husband I know its fiction but it still makes both mad and sad just a tiny bit.

 

Maybe Naruto just wants to relive his youth and wished he went on more D rank missions? XD

 

As much as I love the Chunin exam and the get Sasuke retrieval arc I would like some more missions in the manga.

 

Also even with the new developments, I think the manga would still with Mandara as the final bad guy and mastermind no Kaguya also more focus on Rock Lee I know they added more missions in the anime filler and a comedic series with Lee but I did not like most of those.


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Posted 21 June 2020 - 02:28 AM

Cannot blame everything on Japanese Salaryman culture though... Naruto and Sasuke were just scared, confused and unsure of what role a father should play

 

Madara as the final bad guy... :thumbup:

 

Rock Lee? :laugh:  stop trolling


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