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[Fulmine]

Besides, gravity has to be level 5 since its twin brother "levitation" is one of the absolute best fruit in op, if i was stupid i would make it the one and only level 6. It doesnt feel right putting the levitation fruit with the string and venom fruit.... but sadly there can be no level 6. However maybe i can declare it the fruit king and it will reign forever on the fruit throne. (That is until the acid fruit gets here or the time fruit user shows up and starts samuri jacking every enemy to the future)

I'm pretty sure Fuji's fruit is completely superior to Shiki's fruit. In a way, Fuwa is like part of the Gravity fruit. Fuji can do everything Shiki can plus the ability to press other (down or horizontal) and Fuji doesn't have to touch things prior.

 

The acid fruit is not better than Magellan's fruit. I just remember Magellan has poison that can melt Mr.3's wax that is harder than steel/iron.

 

If it was me, I'd make Perona's fruit a Logia (hey, ghost is totally nature force) and improve the explosion (which is hindered by plot cause Usopp could not tank more than that) and that would be the best fruit.

[captain kidd]

I'm pretty sure Fuji's fruit is completely superior to Shiki's fruit. In a way, Fuwa is like part of the Gravity fruit. Fuji can do everything Shiki can plus the ability to press other (down or horizontal) and Fuji doesn't have to touch things prior.

The acid fruit is not better than Magellan's fruit. I just remember Magellan has poison that can melt Mr.3's wax that is harder than steel/iron.

If it was me, I'd make Perona's fruit a Logia (hey, ghost is totally nature force) and improve the explosion (which is hindered by plot cause Usopp could not tank more than that) and that would be the best fruit.

Idk fuji's may be, but for now i have to say no it isnt. The levitaion fruit has 2 key advantages the gravity fruit doesnt.

1. Mechanics of how it works. When shiki touches an object it is forever his to control he can put it anywhere he wants with no limit, as we saw he can have an entire floating island and be no where near it. Fuji on the other hand cant do that, from what we have seen he cant keep things up in the air and all his uses of power require his attention and effort. Shiki also can.....well calling his powers levitation is kinda wrong it is more of touch activated telekinetic powers. He can send his objects any direction he wants to and even shape objects with his powera like when he made lion heads out of the ground (i would of made a bed of sharpe blades but w/e) fuji can ONLY push or pull things relaitive to his location. He can levitate the ship or rock he is standing on or levitate rubble around him, but he cant levitate a ship miles away, not from what we have seen.

2. The ability for personal levitation. I know fuji can fly by levitating the ground under him, but if he is on a ship or over water or over a volcano.... this is a smaller point, but it is important to note shiki can always save himself from falling and fuji can only save himself if he can fall into what is below him. (So he cant actually save himself)

To be fair the gravity fruit has its own powers, but the levitation fruit is different enough that they are not the same fruit.
To give you credit, i dont think the user of the gravity fruit would ever lose to the levitation fruit (all other stats aside). But we can all agree that is just because of a bad match up.






I mentioned his "super poison" i called it super poison instead of....kahsiksidhsi or what ever its japanese name is.... as fans we have no clue how it works, what we can say though is even if it has the power to literally destroy ID, it would take a while. It coudnt even instantly melt the candle luffy had on, it just kinda creeped up the candle, also the giant spike wall g3 luffy used to push back magellan, it didnt instantly destroy that wall, the wall was still able to hit and push back magellan.
The Acid fruit on the other hand would instantly melt all those objects and if the acid fruit user wasnt careful. Using that much acid he would even melt the floor he was standing on, compared to magellan who did not....




The best fruit would be a ghost logia with improved explosions? The ghost fruit was already really good, it had an unblockable long range quasi one hit kill. But making it a logia is a little nonsense, logia have to be real things. There is no absolute zero or white hole logia after all.
But i can kinda see your point, if the ghost user was able to have all the powers of a ghost they would be really tough. It wouldnt break op either logia already have their intangiblity, why not let the ghost fruit user's actual body have that and the ability to fly? It wouldnt even be as over powered as logia make the ghost user have to conciously turn ghost intangiblity on and off (maybe in exchange CoA doesnt work on it) and maybe even make it like obito's bull shit ability where once it is on the user cant attack (either the whole body is intangible or none of it is)

I agree that would be an awesome fruit but you would still be heavily limited by the speed of the ghosts. At least in range attacks. The levitation fruit still has far more range and destructive abilities.

[Fulmine]

When shiki touches an object it is forever his to control he can put it anywhere he wants with no limit, as we saw he can have an entire floating island and be no where near it. Fuji on the other hand cant do that, from what we have seen he cant keep things up in the air and all his uses of power require his attention and effort.

Fuji fought Luffy and even used DF named technique, one with his epithet even, Ferocious Tiger whilst keeping a whole island worth of rubbles sky high...so he totally can divide his DF power to do different tasks at the same time. Maybe he can't put a thing at a fixed point in the air forever or a long long time like Shiki, but for 1vs1 or fighting I think there's no difference.

Thought you judge DFs based solely on combat abilities? If you extend to other application then sure, Shiki's fruit is good at making a world 8th wonder, I guess. And Capone's fruit is the best house ever. World Best Landlord!!!

 

 

He can send his objects any direction he wants to and even shape objects with his powera like when he made lion heads out of the ground (i would of made a bed of sharpe blades but w/e) fuji can ONLY push or pull things relaitive to his location. He can levitate the ship or rock he is standing on or levitate rubble around him, but he cant levitate a ship miles away, not from what we have seen.

What? He lifted Dresrosa's rubbles across the island. Dresrosa sure is bigger than a few kilometers in diameter. As for shaping things he lift? That's just a matter of mastery, really. Logia and production fruit can form any shape they want, provided that they train. Perosperos made candy work of art for example.

 

 

 

2. The ability for personal levitation. I know fuji can fly by levitating the ground under him, but if he is on a ship or over water or over a volcano.... this is a smaller point, but it is important to note shiki can always save himself from falling and fuji can only save himself if he can fall into what is below him. (So he cant actually save himself)

Unless you drop him into a really vast nowhere place, which is rare cause most fights in One Piece happen on land anw, I don't see how that's a problem. His range is huge so he can just lift somehting far away close to him and step on it.

 

 

On the other hand, Fuji can drag meteors so his range is, again, great and Shiki cannot do that unless he fly up and hopefully he can breath...Fuji can also repel attacks which Shiki cannot claim to do unless he touches it which means tanking it or at least risk touching something he maybe shouldn't.

Also, Shiki has to touch the object, so clearly he has to have preparation or only start doing so during the fight. Fuji can activate his power any time he wants.

 

 

It coudnt even instantly melt the candle luffy had on, it just kinda creeped up the candle

It did later though.

 

 

The best fruit would be a ghost logia with improved explosions? The ghost fruit was already really good, it had an unblockable long range quasi one hit kill. But making it a logia is a little nonsense, logia have to be real things. There is no absolute zero or white hole logia after all.
But i can kinda see your point, if the ghost user was able to have all the powers of a ghost they would be really tough. It wouldnt break op either logia already have their intangiblity, why not let the ghost fruit user's actual body have that and the ability to fly? It wouldnt even be as over powered as logia make the ghost user have to conciously turn ghost intangiblity on and off (maybe in exchange CoA doesnt work on it) and maybe even make it like obito's bull shit ability where once it is on the user cant attack (either the whole body is intangible or none of it is)

I agree that would be an awesome fruit but you would still be heavily limited by the speed of the ghosts. At least in range attacks. The levitation fruit still has far more range and destructive abilities.

Ghost is real, in One Piece muahaha. I mean soul exists and not just a made-up concept...

 

If you mean actual matter, well, darkness is not matter. It's abstract. It's just absence of light/light being blocked. Oda adds the black hole property but in the same way he also add the negativity to ghost so not much different.

 

No, I mean an actual ghost logia. So the ghost speed can be control at will. Also the user is intangible or not by choice and can attack if he wants by using his real body (but why when the explosion is improved greatly). Difference? It's perfect intangibility. Because ghost is not matter. It's not just intangible, it's incorporeal. So there's no counter or block. The only way is CoA which means you have to fight regardless and you can't hide.

The only limit would be he can't produce other shapes besides ghost.

[captain kidd]

Fuji fought Luffy and even used DF named technique, one with his epithet even, Ferocious Tiger whilst keeping a whole island worth of rubbles sky high...so he totally can divide his DF power to do different tasks at the same time. Maybe he can't put a thing at a fixed point in the air forever or a long long time like Shiki, but for 1vs1 or fighting I think there's no difference.

Thought you judge DFs based solely on combat abilities? If you extend to other application then sure, Shiki's fruit is good at making a world 8th wonder, I guess. And Capone's fruit is the best house ever. World Best Landlord!!!

 

 

 

 

What? He lifted Dresrosa's rubbles across the island. Dresrosa sure is bigger than a few kilometers in diameter. As for shaping things he lift? That's just a matter of mastery, really. Logia and production fruit can form any shape they want, provided that they train. Perosperos made candy work of art for example.

 

 

 

 

 

Unless you drop him into a really vast nowhere place, which is rare cause most fights in One Piece happen on land anw, I don't see how that's a problem. His range is huge so he can just lift somehting far away close to him and step on it.

 

 

On the other hand, Fuji can drag meteors so his range is, again, great and Shiki cannot do that unless he fly up and hopefully he can breath...Fuji can also repel attacks which Shiki cannot claim to do unless he touches it which means tanking it or at least risk touching something he maybe shouldn't.

Also, Shiki has to touch the object, so clearly he has to have preparation or only start doing so during the fight. Fuji can activate his power any time he wants.

 

 

 

 

It did later though.

 

 

 

 

Ghost is real, in One Piece muahaha. I mean soul exists and not just a made-up concept...

 

If you mean actual matter, well, darkness is not matter. It's abstract. It's just absence of light/light being blocked. Oda adds the black hole property but in the same way he also add the negativity to ghost so not much different.

 

No, I mean an actual ghost logia. So the ghost speed can be control at will. Also the user is intangible or not by choice and can attack if he wants by using his real body (but why when the explosion is improved greatly). Difference? It's perfect intangibility. Because ghost is not matter. It's not just intangible, it's incorporeal. So there's no counter or block. The only way is CoA which means you have to fight regardless and you can't hide.

The only limit would be he can't produce other shapes besides ghost.

 

that is why i said "it may be but for now i have to say no it isnt" it is possible that fuji uses literally zero of his strength and concentration to keep that rubble in the sky, that is possible (but you have to admit unlikely) but in shiki's case we know for a fact he has no such weakness.

 

This is still based only on combat skills, who cares what secret hideout he can build. if shiki can keep tons of rocks in the air he has a huge combat advantage, all he has to do is lift a single island into the sky and he has anywhere between 4-10 meteors he can break apart and shape into missiles to drop on enemies. and unlike fuji's metors that can be blocked by cutting them in half, shiki wouldn't have such a weakness, he can still control the meteor, if law or dd tried to cut his meteor in half he would simply force the rocks back together with his powers. and fuji can only call the meteor down, shiki could make the meteor chase after his target and send it back up in the air. also, fuji has to send his power into the sky and call down a meteor that falls at the speed of gravity. Shiki can touch the ground, send a meteor into the sky as far as he deems necessary, then bring it down as fast as his powers will allow.

 

The rubble was mostly confined to a small area thanks to bird cage, larger then the radius i originally said his powers has but that is still nothing compared to shiki who can have his objects miles away from him. shiki could send a flying rock to sink a ship very far away and very accurately, where fuji is so in accurate that he was forced to let luffy go because the towns folk were in his general area (ya ya ya plot bull shit)

 

also i highly doubt that no matter how hard fuji trains his gravity fruit he will ever be able to shape things like a production fruit/logia. same way i doubt BB will ever be able to shape things using his darkness. it just isnt the type of fruit that he has.

 

 

I think it is the other way around from what you said, fuji falling into a vast nothingness is the ONLY time his powers could save him from falling. I am talking about when fuji is fighting over the ocean on a ship or next to lava or an acid pool (lol he is fighting in yellow stone national park only near the ocean) if someone were to push fuji over a pool of acid, fuji would either have to nothing to pull over him to savehimself. he cant pull the acid up he would die, he cant pull the ground from where he was pushed he is too close to the acid pool, he would have no option aside from not getting pushed into it in the first place.

 

Not to mention fuji can always have someone shoot what ever he is flying on out from under him, where shiki has no such weakness.

 

ya fuji can use his gravity to push attacks away, but shiki can use his power to make the ground itself to rise up and defend him from attacks, like a cheep garra knock off. I admit that fuji has a slightly better block, but compared to Shiki's far better offense abilities it isn't that big of a win.

 

not to mention, maybe there are a few things that can stop fuji like the encircling walls from MF. BUT there is no such physical items that could ever stop shiki. shiki could just touch the walls and he would be able to rip them to shreds with his powers. it is even possible that he could rip bird cage to pieces depending on if plot will allow it.

 

 

 

 

no magellan never melted the candle stuff, mr 3 canceled it out before it could creep its way to luffy's feet. both times magellan was hit he had to tank the luffy stomp and he had to tank the G3 spike wall.- go back and read chapter 547. the people that get hit by the super poison are not dissolving, Mr. 3's wax isn't dissolving, (m3.  did cancel that.) and same with the spike wall, the spike wall cracked because of luffy kicking it so hard, but the fodder made it clear that luffy did actually push magellan back. also as i have said before, the poison on the floor didn't melt the floor. SO this all tells us that super poison is dangerous because it spreads NOT because it is acidic. and if it is acidic, we never saw that. 

honestly as far as discrediting the acid fruit because magellan has (slightly) acidic poison is like discrediting the fire fruit because the cream fruit burns people. or the heat fruit because the cream fruit burns people. or the ton fruit because the kilo fruit...... you get the point.

Like i said, the acid fruit would be super acid, nothing would be able to touch the user without being instantly dissolved. (except for flying slashes/ punches) If i had my way the fruit user would have only 1 weakness, his feet, which he cant coat in acid when he is standing on the ground or else he would dissolve the ground he is standing on. that and unlike WB or magellan who think they should be careful, the acid fruit user needs to be actually really careful or else he would dissolve the ground/ ship he is standing on.

The main appeal of this fruit compared to the poison fruit is the way the user would fight compared to how magellan fought. magellan was very chill, he had a million ways to fight he could stay back and use his dragons or attack with his horns or make his venom demon. where the acid fruit user would be just an all in attacker. just non stop running at full speed charging through all an opponent's defenses with nothing that can stop him. kinda.......kinda exactly what akainu did at the end of the MF war...... and someone named "green bull" is the perfect user for a DF with a fighting style like that.

 

 

 

no i get the darkness furit, BB is a black hole, he has the power to pull all things in with no chance of escape. But this is a OP black hole so it isn't nearly as dangerous as a real black hole and works very differently. also like kuma he can draw in abstract concepts like "df power" it even explains why BB cant let things pass through his body, because nothing passes through a black hole, it only gets sucked in. Also it explains why the darkness fruit is considered the most powerful fruit, since once again, a black hole is the most powerful thing to ever exist. (except god) BUT the "black hole fruit" would be kinda lame, all he can do is make black holes? so oda allows BB to do weird things with his darkness aside from just making spheres that suck in all things.

 

 

 

speaking of black holes. you ever read my hero academy? i haven't ever, but i have seen a few memes about that useless little kid that wears a diaper and has the power to make sticky black balls. those are actually black holes, he controls the power of them and at low power all they do is stick to things, but at high power they can suck people cars and even entire buildings into them. how do you think he beat the hero licensing exam, he sucked in tons of robots with his black hole power. now he is playing stupid in order to fool people.

 

 

so your idea of the perfect fruit is the ghost fruit with logia defense? I think mine would be.......humm....... I already said the levitation fruit is probably the best fruit in OP. the only problem it has is that it cant effect people. so if the levitation fruit was able to effect people it would without a doubt be the best fruit to ever exist in OP. (then the levitation fruit would be able to rip apart a human along with anything else on the OP world) the gravity fruit it it gave the user logia defense would be better but the gravity fruit still has a huge weakness when it comes to high level combat. and of course the light fruit is the 2nd best fruit. ice is probably also up there

 

I cant take any of Oda's titled fruits seriously,

1- the darkness fruit "most powerful fruit" ok cool it is a fruit that has more power then any other fruit, but it lacks any offense aside from pulling in people. it can pull in people better then any other fruit and no fruit could escape it, but what if a weakling has the fruit? usopp pulls in mihawk....then gets cut in half instantly.

 

2- the quake fruit "most powerful paramicum" ok this fruit has great offense, but it doesn't have any defense what so ever. this fruit gives the user the ability to spam king punch.......idk i would rather have the ability to shoot lasers or magma..... OH no WAIT!!!! it can shake the ground!!! I sure hope pirates that are used to fighting/living on the ocean can handle the ground moving.....

 

3- the OP fruit "ultimate fruit" this one allows the user to do anything they want in a room made by the user. the only problem is "anything you want" requires a ton of combat skill to properly utilize. mihawk with this fruit would probably be PK, where luffy with this fruit would be worthless. dont get me wrong without combat skills this is still a good fruit, but with combat skills it becomes even better.

 

so oda sure is bad at calling the best fruit.

[Fulmine]

speaking of black holes. you ever read my hero academy? i haven't ever, but i have seen a few memes about that useless little kid that wears a diaper and has the power to make sticky black balls. those are actually black holes, he controls the power of them and at low power all they do is stick to things, but at high power they can suck people cars and even entire buildings into them. how do you think he beat the hero licensing exam, he sucked in tons of robots with his black hole power. now he is playing stupid in order to fool people.

You absolutely should read it. Only 20 volumes so far and has a lot of fun powers. And it's not too OP a verse (about as superhuman as Alabasta arc level) so we cna focus on how they use their powers instead of spamming destructive force everywhere. Plus all powers have some sort of fatal weaknesses so it becomes battle of wits and characters use brains

 

There's a kid with electricity and one kinda like Moria

 

 

so your idea of the perfect fruit is the ghost fruit with logia defense?

Yeah, great defense and OP offense, plus terrific hax

 

Of course, if I have my way, Enel wouldn't be countered by rubber (Luffy wouldn't get shocked but still be burned and cannot touch Enel) and he has knowledge to utilize every application lightning can do.

 

Shiki who?

[captain kidd]

You absolutely should read it. Only 20 volumes so far and has a lot of fun powers. And it's not too OP a verse (about as superhuman as Alabasta arc level) so we cna focus on how they use their powers instead of spamming destructive force everywhere. Plus all powers have some sort of fatal weaknesses so it becomes battle of wits and characters use brains

 

There's a kid with electricity and one kinda like Moria

 

 

 

 

Yeah, great defense and OP offense, plus terrific hax

 

Of course, if I have my way, Enel wouldn't be countered by rubber (Luffy wouldn't get shocked but still be burned and cannot touch Enel) and he has knowledge to utilize every application lightning can do.

 

Shiki who?

 

 

been very busy recently, hopefully i will have time in a few months. does it publish once a week or once a month?

 

 

you know if Enel had access to not only electricity but was able to use his lightning to make magnetic fields, then that would be without a doubt the best fruit ever to exist, kizaru would even be jealous.

not even counting the fact he could use his electricity as a rail gun to send millions of metal spikes through luffy at ungodly speeds.....

 

if Enel could use a magnatic field to utilize diamagnatism (no i wont fix that spelling), he would have the ability to push all things away from him. It would be like he has the pushing powers of fuji or pain (except no almighty pull only almighty push) of course this ability probably wouldn't hurt anyone, it would be the perfect defense that no one can get past. not even haki, it would be like a long range version of kuma's repel ability.

 

add that to the well known "5 times hotter then the surface of the sun" heat that lightning boasts, so that means move over akainu with your cold ass magma (and my theoretical acid fruit) Enel would have the ability to burn through anything with just a touch.

 

finally, I might be wrong, but if enel did have total control over the electromagnetic spectrum I guess he would be able to create lasers....not 100% sure on that.... BUT at that point we would be jumping the shark, he already has the power to push all things melt all things and his base powers to control weather turn into a lightning monster and fire off massive lightning strikes, (a single one was powerful enough to down zoro.) and logia defense, probably one of the best defenses in op since his weakness is very obscure (although light/ smoke with NO weakness is better)

 

 

sadly for enel though, Oda has to balance OP. honestly i think Oda's job balancing the DF is a really great thing. it sure beats bleach.......

 

yawh "look at me, my power is to counter all things, or is it to see the future? or is it to decide the future by picking out of many possible futures? or do i just shoot really strong arrows at people? look I just broke your banki by pointing my finger!!!!"

ichigo "OMG so hax"

aizen "not really.....my powers still work...oh look you are dead"

yawh "nooooo!!!! if only my powers were better defined!!!!"

 

there is no real god fruit in OP............however i am still holding up hope that under that straw hat in that freezer the "heavenly dragons secret" is actually a secret DF. maybe it is even my radiation fruit. my evidence is-

1- why is it in a freezer? you dont need to keep a straw hat cold, you need to keep a DF cold so it doesn't rot like a normal fruit.

 

2- the elder stars are so confident that they can "cleanse" the world.....I personally am a huge fan of the admirals and all, but......nothing the WG has shown us so far indicated they can straight up steam roll the entire world. like i said it is debatable if the WG could beat all 4 emperors in a war, but the entire world? maybe the WG is talking about just killing all the civilians and leaving the WG as is. but that is insane, they would lose all their workers and money makers and leave all their enemies alive..... for the elders to be as confident as they are they HAVE to have a secret weapon. why not a boss DF?

 

3- it........it just cant be a straw hat.....it cant........that is literally the lamest thing in the history of anything. I have never had a manga/tv show/movie disappoint me that much.

elders "ok listen DD, we feel bad for you we do, your dad was a moron, but we cant have you robbing our treasure ships, so......ya we are sending CP0 to kill you"

DD "hahahaha you cant do that, if you try to kill me I will tell the world your secret!!!!!!!"

elder *internal "shit he knows......no he couldn't possible know......play it cool" *external "what secret is that?"

DD "you guys......HAVE A STRAW HAT!!!!!!!!! hahahahaha"

elder "noooooooo!!!!!!!!!! ok do what ever you want we wont send assassins"

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elder 2 "why do we care about that again?"

elder "are you kidding me?!?!?! we cant have the public find out that our WG organization was founded by a fodder giant with poor fashion sense!!!!! the public would never listen to us again"

elder 3 "akainu is late for his 2 o'clock appointment"

secretary "akainu called ahead, he said 'why should i listen to you losers, your organization was founded by a fodder giant, do you know how many giants i have one shotted? did you know BM one shotted one of the strongest giants ever when she was a baby? you 5 are clowns'....i dont think he is going to show up"

elder "damn it how did akainu find out??"

elder 2 "he knew since the ohara incident, why do you think we made him fleet admiral?"

elder "WHAT?!?"

elder 2 "ya you know how we shot professor clover right before he could say the name of the pirate crew that predated the WG?"

elder "ya spandine shot him right in time......right?"

elder 2 "wrong, reports say clover was running around ohara yelling 'the straw hat giant pirates, the straw hat giant pirates, that is the crew that predated the wg' even before the buster call showed up"

elder 3 "did you think that was the first time clover ever said the name of the crew out loud? he said it all the time, i think he even put the name in one of the archaeologist Christmas cards"

elder 2 "if you remember, the archologists didn't break our laws and start studying the void century until after they learned of the original name of the WG. once they found out we were founded by such disgraceful fodder they believed they could break any of our laws they wanted."

 

SEE?!?!?!?!!? see how lame that is??????? I think i can speak for me when i say that the will of D and the void century is what is called a "B plot" we are all here to see luffy become the pirate king, the fact that luffy is part of some family who always does the opposite of what god wants holds almost no baring on my enjoyment of OP.....you could take that entire sub plot out of OP and the manga would be almost entirely unchanged..... so when DD said the heavenly dragons had a secret power, I thought it was actually important.......

[Fulmine]

been very busy recently, hopefully i will have time in a few months. does it publish once a week or once a month?

week. Same magazine as One Piece, Naruto, Bleach

[Fulmine]

So now we have a Mature/Rot DF? Is this the superior version of the Rust fruit of the Marines Shu who rust Zolo's sword in Buster Call in EL arc? That it can rot anything, not just metal? Sounds strong but probably:

-can only affect inanimate objects/non-living things

-touch-based so CoA may block it

[Abaroxa]

So now we have a Mature/Rot DF? Is this the superior version of the Rust fruit of the Marines Shu who rust Zolo's sword in Buster Call in EL arc? That it can rot anything, not just metal? Sounds strong but probably:
-can only affect inanimate objects/non-living things

It seems to be a superior version indeed.
It is the reverse power of Ain from film Z. Ain could make everything she touched younger.
The only difference is that Ain could make living and non-living things younger where the mature has only shown us that it can do to inanimate objects/non-living things.
To be fair, if she does use this fruit on some one. You best believe that person will die.

-touch-based so CoA may block it

Hate this touch fruits because then we'll have the my haki is stronger, no my haki superior; my haki the best. All this with no way of actually measuring haki.

[PunkHazard]

So now we have a Mature/Rot DF? Is this the superior version of the Rust fruit of the Marines Shu who rust Zolo's sword in Buster Call in EL arc? That it can rot anything, not just metal? Sounds strong but probably:
-can only affect inanimate objects/non-living things
-touch-based so CoA may block it

i hated this fruit so much. It feels like every arc since the ts theres been a fruit that’s basically the same as another fruit. It so lame. I think Oda is running out of ideas

[capu]

i hated this fruit so much. It feels like every arc since the ts theres been a fruit that’s basically the same as another fruit. It so lame. I think Oda is running out of ideas

its a bit understandable though, considering how long this story has been going on and how many fruits he already presented to us.

[captain kidd]

So now we have a Mature/Rot DF? Is this the superior version of the Rust fruit of the Marines Shu who rust Zolo's sword in Buster Call in EL arc? That it can rot anything, not just metal? Sounds strong but probably:
-can only affect inanimate objects/non-living things
-touch-based so CoA may block it

Only in your mind can CoA block touch based fruit. In the actual manga we have never seen proof of that happening. We have seen tons of times where people with CoA are still hit by these fruit.

Also.... idk the rust fruit in the anime was able to effect zoro's arm. So if we count anime filler then both can effect anything they want.

Idk this is a little cynical even for me. I was very quick to call the burst fruit snow fruit and ton fruit for their bullshit, but even though I also made this connection I think they are far enough apart to be different. Further apart then sticky and mocchi....


Although what I do think is funny is the fact that decay is kind of a time based power. (Hello #2 espada from bleach) Since the comment "going back in time is impossible" I took that as oda telling us there is no time fruit..... WELL... all we need is a BB like character to eat the decay fruit, the forward in time fruit, the nuro fruit... and hey that is kind of a time fruit..... throw in bonney's fruit and maybe some type of run really fast fruit and you have almost all time based powers a guy could need.
 

i hated this fruit so much. It feels like every arc since the ts theres been a fruit that’s basically the same as another fruit. It so lame. I think Oda is running out of ideas

Wow there don't hate this fruit. Hate the ton fruit or the spin fruit or the swim fruit.
At least this fruit is a fruit worth redoing.
As I said above I don't think this is close enough to complain about, but you should be thankful, what would you rather have, a fruit like this that could actually be really cool, or the "walk fruit" it allows the user to walk on water and that is it, nothing else?

[Fulmine]

In Chinese mythology there's this mythical creature called 夔牛 (a usually one-legged (but depends on versions) buffalo) that can commands lightning and rain. In recent (about within a decade) Chinese webnovel scene, a lot of Eastern fantasy-genre novels generally put this one as the 4th-5th strongest mythical beast in their verses after Eastern Dragon, Phoenix and Kunpeng (a fusion of eagle and whale of sort, and as huge as a small country (like hundreds km in length)).

 

If Oda ever wants to give Ryokugyu a Zoan so the 3 Admirals have fruits from 3 types, I would want this one. Not only is it fitting for his animal theme, it also means Enel will have his Top Commander when coming back

[captain kidd]

Ok guys I have a question. What df has the most wasted potential- the noro fruit or the swamp fruit?

I know the knee jerk reaction is the noro fruit. I mean the fruit is easily admiral level and it's only weakness is almost impossible to exploit....unless your name is bluree...
I know I'm the past i have made it clear that the quake fruit is only level 3, but the noro is without a doubt level 5. Unlike the quake fruit that requires the user to have some combat skill.... at the very least he has to dodge attacks... the noro fruit requires only pointing and shooting and is a perfect defense (for 30 seconds) against anything (except a mirror) so if anyone thinks I am inconsistent I have a lot more to say differentiating the quake fruit from noro. But I doubt anyone will question me putting the noro fruit above the quake fruit.

So then with that all said how could the swamp fruit possibly have more wasted potential? Well that is simple. 1st off it is a logia and has with it all logia benefits. The dogtooth style future sight dodging, god mode against all CoA free losers, the ability throw massive G3 sized swamp punches. BUT the unique property of swamp makes it insanely strong. Unlimited storage. That is bege and wapol's abilities all in one right there. And unlike some other logia, swamp has no conceivable weakness. Unlike smoke or fire. Getting hit in the face with swamp should actually hurt.

It really sucks caribou is who he is. The swamp fruit could be really strong in the right hands. I mean the guy eat an entire factory. Imagine luffy fighting a bad guy who takes the entire sunny into his body. Then throughout the fight is able to throw ships and buildings out of his body. It qpuod be like Capone's calvary charge only actually threatening in the OP world.

Now you may be thinking, "doesnt the swamp fruit user eject all the stuff in his body when he is knocked out" and you would be 100% wrong. No clue why caribou did that...probably because he was worried if someone found him they would kill him to get the treasure in his body.... either way the fact remains he did not eject his syth or his gatling gun, both of which were in his body the whole time.

So what fruit was wasted more? The fruit that can stop time, or the fruit that let's the user have unlimited storage in their body?

[Oben]

The Flag fruit

 

I guess in the big picture it's a balancing issue. The Noro fruit makes for a cool fight only if its user is weak and/or confined in a very specific setting. Otherwise a single hit from the beam is an instant win, and it would have to be dodged all the time - which would make it irrelevant, or some other out to it would have to be introduced - e.g. CoA shields it off. The ability just works better in a setting like the DBF vs. Foxy.

 

Given that Caribou is still in the story, I wouldn't say it's wasted yet until we see what he does next.

He also beat Scotch and drowned an entire building, so that's not too bad for a side-villain.

[Chillman]

If you don't give an op ability to an idiot (Okuyasu from Jojo) you'll have to find some alternative way to beat that person (Kira from Jojo).

[captain kidd]

The Flag fruit

I guess in the big picture it's a balancing issue. The Noro fruit makes for a cool fight only if its user is weak and/or confined in a very specific setting. Otherwise a single hit from the beam is an instant win, and it would have to be dodged all the time - which would make it irrelevant, or some other out to it would have to be introduced - e.g. CoA shields it off. The ability just works better in a setting like the DBF vs. Foxy.

Given that Caribou is still in the story, I wouldn't say it's wasted yet until we see what he does next.
He also beat Scotch and drowned an entire building, so that's not too bad for a side-villain.

I am going to agree with you 50% there. I get his fruit is OP to the point you either have to dodge the whole fight or nerf the user. But I think, in all honesty, that a good author can make any fight compelling. And I can think of three ways to make this fight super compelling and please keep in mind I only spent 2 minutes thinking of these ideas.

1- BM/moria/an entire army- fight a character who is able to control things outside his own body. If moria gets hit by the beam then he still has his doppleman and zombies to do his bidding. Same with BM, the noro fruit sure only has two hands.....oh..... maybe give this fruit to shanks... but back to what I was saying. The noro fruit user only has two hands he cant defent all sides at the same time. So any df user or team of people may be able to give the noro fruit user a run for his money.
Imagine how cool it would be, if imu(is that his name? The rule of the wg) used this fruit. And st the end of OP he was just like the creator of the zanpkuto from beach (the zero squad guy). He jumps down from his throne, yells "small fry stop here" and takes on an entire army of the sh crew the sh alliance, shanks Marco everyone.
I mean never forget it isnt a true 1 hit kill move. Hitting people is only half the battle. Once he hits luffy, zoro and Sami are free to distract him. This would actually be the best possible fruit for a guy to take on an army. Instead of like in the OP war where half the fight we were wondering what specific characters were doing, here we would know- they are frozen for 30 seconds.

2- huge attacks- have the user fight someone, like a logia, who is able to make massive attacks. If dd or dogtooth made the entire ground come to life, ya the noro user could freeze the attack. But he would be trapped. Espically against people like akainu or enel, if foxxy froze their attacks kid air he would still be unable to get around those attacks. Sure give the fruit to a strong enough character and that isnt too big a problem.

3- mid range- here is my favorite idea and the idea I know oda wouldnt able to implement. So we know the noro beam like the clone fruit has a specific hand motion that needs to be done to activate its powers. Well. Make the user of the noro beam fighting a strong enough opponent that he isnt able to make that hand motion in close range, because if luffy/lucci get that close the user needs his hands free to block attacks. And if he opens up and gives his opponent too much range the opponent will be able to dodge the attacks. So the entire fight is about positioning, and trying to get his opponent in mid range where he has enough time to make the weird hand motion the noro beam requires, but not enough space where the opponent can CoO dodge his attack.

So I get what you are saying. This fruit could never be given to a main character, because by the second or third arc we would get sick of the stupid ways oda has to invent to make the fight actually challenging. But there are 2-3 good ways where oda could actually make a good fight for a bad ass main villian with this fruit.

But seriously. I am still stuck on my imu idea. Imagine the end of OP, the wg wants to do another "purge" like they were talking about. So all the pirates, not just the sh crew. Every single pirate attacks the wg. And at the end of the fight it is revealed imu is the final boss of OP and he uses the noro fruit. Wouldn't that be an end worth reading? (Asode from the fact imu came out of no where, not another kayuga....)
And the best part about that end is unlike alot of other manga, the villian's powers wouldnt be...."all of them" (looking at you bleach) it would just be the most low key op fruit in OP.



As for carbiou's feats I am not sure how much of a feat beating kiadou's cyborg guy is. Maybe if he was established as a bad ass I would count it, but who knows how string he is? Should we assume he is string because he was guarding kiadou's vacation spot? No, bm has no guards, we have no reason to think emperor guards are tough. BB had a pink beard guy who was worth 44m on his crew. what's his name might just be the pink beard of the kiadou pirates.
But depending the factory is awesome pure and simple. That is probably the biggest reason I think the swamp fruit has alot of untapped potential. Smoker uses his fruit to catch people in the smoke, the swamp fruit is like a huge upgrade to that ability.
 

If you don't give an op ability to an idiot (Okuyasu from Jojo) you'll have to find some alternative way to beat that person (Kira from Jojo).

Ya I get that. I know not all df can be given to main villians, and out of all the main cillian Df the swamp fruit and noro fruit might seem a little out of place....aside from lucci's fruit that is... but if there is ever a major enemy with a stupid fruit....diamante... I just cant help but think oda threw out 2 amazing fruit.

Hell, look at the DD crew. We have between 2/3 repeats. And if you count the wheel fruit (which we shouldn't) idk maybe there are 4 repeat fruits. So instead of a second adding weight fruit maybe give caribou a chance to shine as a real enemy.

Also I guess I should point out that DD's right hand man's entire fighting stlye was "big guy with CoA and stick"..... ya he surely couldn't use a good df...

[Abaroxa]

@captain kidd
I wouldn't be so fast as to say the fruits were wasted.
The noro fruit did it an awesome job at making foxy more interesting. I like foxy as he was very funny, so I have nothing to complain here.
In a combat perspective it wouldn't fit Oda style of fighting. I could see kubo or kishimoto doing a better job in fighting style.
Kishimoto would would make its user the new fastest man in the world. Something like the speedsters in fairytail.
Kubo would make its user be the guy that had a lot of projectiles aimed everywhere and as soon as the enemy passed a hit point he would return the projectiles to the original speed. If the enemy managed to pass the set traps and was about to it the user, I can see the user saying "I never said I could only slow down objects", and then killing the slowed enemy in discontent as he never acknowledged the sneaky nature of his ability.

[Abaroxa]

As for mud fruit, you might be overhyping it.
The fruit is not as awesome as you make it.
Yes the fruit has infinity storage as second nature but compared to other logias its nothing.
Crocodile is way more impressive and I believe the sand fruit is the mud fruit natural weakness. I can see crocodile drying up caribous mud to the point he won't be able to do anything productive.

[Enbima]

Wow just realized the mud fruit is the superior version of crocs sand fruit. *mind blown*