I don't think that this conditioning was ever mentioned before by Zeke to my knowledge.
Maybe both Armin and Mikasa where in too much shock after Eren's betrayal to really question what he just said.
Which is kinda disappointing especially from Armin, who is supposed to be one of the more smarter characters in this manga.
Anyways go check out page 90 of this very own same thread here:
More specifically posts 1795 and 1800 from that very same page where I posted tonnes of very in depth reasons on why Eren's speech from chapter 112 was loada crap.
Imo, his speech from that particular chapter has way too many bs, inconsistencies and contradictions for it to make any sense at all whatsoever imo and that's exactly why I think Eren is lying.
(I'll just bold the parts you wrote in the other posts-)
According to Eren, Armin's under the control of the enemy, because Bertholdt is inspiring him to visit Annie, and turned him into a loser who wants peace.
You're not the only one who had a WTF?? moment. . .cause didn't Armin grow up in a pacifistic household and their whole thing is 'peace'? Of course Armin will try the peaceful route first.Why would Eren act like he did? Also Eren(present at the time or future Eren) was the one gave Armin the FRICKIN' COLOSSUS TITAN! To me that one is a DAMN NUKE! Why give the 'Hippy' the nuke knowing full well he'll never probably use it? The only reason I can think of is that present Eren knows that Armin won't use it against him unlike other people who're pretty pissed off at him(Eren) at the moment.
Yet Eren, who has not just one titan, but three existing in his head, are not influencing him at all wtf??
Should make us wonder who the real enemies are. One theory - Ymir's children are influencing events and people like Zeke and Eren. . .an considering what they were forced to do their own mother. . . who wouldn't be pissed off enough to crush the planet.
Eren is supposedly making the super individualist choice, despite having more shifters in his memories, including those who had complete control of the Founding Titan's powers. Gimme a break.
Gimme a break to. . .and I don't mean Kit-Kat either. Eren isn't acting like an individualist. He's treating his enemy as a 'whole' that needs to be wiped out. That's the complete opposite of individualistic thinking.
Every Ackerman was killed by the start of the series but three. During that entire government genocide, not one Ackerman outside of Kenny awakened their power.
And yet Eren and Zeke still attempted genocide. Genocides don't seem to work out to be 100% fatalities.
We know that the entire Ackerman family was persecuted by the government, and it's not enough for them to awaken their super human powers. Not one Ackerman besides Kenny was able to awaken their powers. No one else, really??
Also we that Kenny was the one that trained Levi. We've seen it, that it was from Kenny's help - that Levi was able to awaken his powers. Yet Levi definitely wasn't his slave whether it be overtly or subconsciously. Levi worked against Kenny's desires and actually fought the guy
Now this doesn't make sense to me. If the Ackermans had the ability of a 'Super Solider' and can't be Mind Wiped how come they never took out the government they had to know was rotten to the core? It's like manga is trying push a variation of the Three Laws of Robots without defining what those Laws are or are creating unwitting contradictions or worse plot hole with the nuances.
From a later post of mine concerning Eren-
Old Post- So thinking about it some more, it was Eren who had been holding Mikasa and Armin back. I always thought it was implied that Armin was the 'weak link' of the group.
Now - Mikasa has the potential of being a Super Soldier. Armin's ability to lead plus Colossus. Is it possible that 'Future' Eren knowing of their potential was afraid of them and reached back in time and influenced 'Past' Eren to find little ways to hold them back?
Edited by Graeystone, 13 February 2020 - 06:15 AM.