Luck or year-long planning matters how? What is important is which state he is in. he said it himself ''my wound is healed''.
Crocodile was more 'pumped' in Impel Down because his dreams shifted back to being big dreams. Alabasta was something he planned for years, but that only happened because he was convinced he could not make it in the New World. He was convinced that there were classes of pirates and that wall was insurmountable. Luffy took a dump on that idea and reawakened that hunger in Crocodile. Luffy basically showed Crocodile that he has to stop being a bitch and fight outside his comfort zone because there is no 'impossible'.
And that is the difference.
Yeah, DEW explained for me.
Basically no one said Croc or Moria completely give up. Yes, they still aim for their dream and prepare all those things for years. But the point is they resort to: put it mildly it would be ''planning'' but put it bluntly it would be ''outright give up, no more head-on fight, hide in the dark and let others (living or non-living) do things for them''. Of course, I have nothing against finding weapon and gathering army but you have to look at the way and mindset they have. It's not like Luffy who ''I need crewmates and good ship and go out there kicking their ass'' anymore. It's ''I need numbers and nuclear power so that I don't need to lift a finger because I can't beat those guys by my own and give up on that.''.
What is more ''amazing''? Head held high trying to win over the heart of the girl you love (whilst, of course, still trying to find out about her hobbies and stuffs which is psychological and caring) OR killing all the other competitors, faking your personalities, do dirty things to other guys (or girls), being a sycophant to her family, throw out money etc. so that she can only chooses you? The first right? Please tell me the first...
And that is the state Croc and Moria were in for all those years. But Luffysus (borrowed from Miss Coquine) jumped in their lives and woke them up even though the method is not too pretty and leads people to underestimate them but oh well...and actually Luffy himself is a proof for both Shichibukai. Oda showed it indirectly to us:
-Croc said he was once optimistic like Luffy (but obviously not as stupid and meat-loving). And then you see how he became so cynical? From a scale of Luffy down to DAT...if that's not broken I don't know what is
-Moria...man need I say more? Just having his nakama disappearing in front of him (not even confirmed dead), Luffy, our beloved protagonist who never gave up, fell to his knee crying for fuck's sake. Then ''only'' one death of Ace, he was all devastating ''I'm too weak to be PK'' despite his big will and conviction and determination.
Back to Moria, WHOLE crew and nakama slaughtered, probably even in front of his eyes and Enel-knows by what method...should I compare the him and Luffy to see who's worse? If that's not broken, I don't know what is...He became a fatass sitting around all day...
So yeah, they still have pride, plan, ambition but they are not the brave and challenging person they once were and their methods changed to something much less direct. That's what's important. Crocodile in MF War is totally free of that, fighting to his heart's content against all those guys and has his goal right in front of him aka WB. You said ''luck''? Precisely...WB right in front of him without having to prepare anything? Excellent. Absolutely pumped up if you ask me...
As for how dream and willpower and conviction are extremely important in One Piece, I don't think I need to say a lot. From story-telling (BB's quote) to even combat system (Haki which is fueled by willpower) and even the example of Sanji that I gave that you never counter.
As for the Impel Down being gym, I do think the torture in there can be beneficial physically. The point is not everyone can benefit from that. Too weak and you're dead or barely hang in there. Too strong like Jinbe and you don't really need it just like we don't get stronger by lifting paper or by doing plank for 10 years (at some point, you need heavier exercises cause your body already adapts). Dodging like Buggy is no good, either. So maybe Croccodile was just in the right mind and state to benefit from that. Plus even his Alabasta form is kinda underestimated in terms of endurance.
Lengthy explanation short, it's not non-sense or void of possible explanation. Makes pretty good sense in One Piece actually. It boils down to whether you want to keep them in mind or just refuse to do so.
Of course, make no mistake, I'm not promoting PIS power-up. Oda seems to know it himself so he didn't make Luffy beat Admirals even though his conviction to save Ace at the time should be very very high. Apparently there's a limit to how much willpower can boost. So hopefully Oda knows what he is doing though admittedly it's also subjective whether a power-up is reasonable or not. Should judge them independently.
My point is that he favored it to similar degrees, which is why it is fine that he primarily used it against Luffy in the tomb. Not that he didn't use his sand powers.
1. That they're not named is irrelevant. Law's derp-slash is unnamed, and it's arguably his strongest move. You think sandstorm is one of his strongest moves? Idk about that.
2. Haven't pretty much all logia users showed that they can turn intagible on reflex? :/ Yet his hook was the thing that actually injured Luffy in the final fight. None of the sand attacks did anything significant.
3. Literally right before he started using his hook with poison he said that he accepted Luffy as a dangerous enemy.
4. Never claimed they were far apart. That was my point actually.
5. Their encounter in the tomb was nothing like Jozu vs Crocodile. Croc was him coming just fine.
and reason for why he uses it in the tomb?
1. You think Law's derpslice is arguably his strongest move but not Sand Storm in case of Croc? Okay...I'm perplexed by that.
Also there's a difference since that's not Law's serve-all card. He has to use Mes or others to fight an acrobatic and mobile fighter like DD. So it's about match-up and that's the same for Croc. The name point is largely portrayal admittedly.
2. Where? They always have things fired at them from the front or are aware of the attacks beforehand. Croc turns into sand upon reflex. But the point is he made it clear that he focuses on his DF. Of course that does not mean he can't focus on his hook but reality is he sucks relatively in that aspect.
His hook impaling Luffy, so? It's closed-range so it's convenient to use hook and he all used DF moves before that...in the second fight he didn't use his hook. Not to mention in Impel Down he also mainly uses his DF powers.
3. And? You think he would think about Luffy in the same light as WB or DD? Or it's ''dangerous enemy who is still not in the same class as me''? And then you still have one thing to explain: Why he uses his hook less consistently and the fact that he sucks at fighting with it in Alabasta.
4. This point is in conjunction to the above. In short, you are hard-pressed to say his hook is close to his DF moves from what we've seen so far, quality or quantity.
5. I was talking about his attack on WB was stopped by Luffy...
Edited by Fulmine, 11 January 2015 - 03:46 PM.