Last few posts;
That's a meaningless point to say cause the Yonkou here is old WB to begin with anw. ''Sickness'' is enough.
In the manga (not sure about the CoO)? WB clearly attacked Akainu from behind...
Only when the hits land and apparently, WB only managed that when suckerpunched Akainu.
What? We haven't seen other Yonkou Commanders fighting, how do you know that?
Since when are DD, Boa, Kuma, Sabo Yonkou Commander-level?
Marco has his fruit and due to its special ability, not having scratch is not at all a point here (Jozu is okay).
Thanks to blindsided attack...just like his Pop...
Doesn't change the fact that the greatest reason why WB was beaten was old age. Akainu himself said it.
And Akainu clearly knew WB was behind him, that's why there is a little bubble with an exclamation mark in it before WB even begins to throw the punch. It's called CoO. If he couldn't realize it in time, that's his fault.
Really? He sucker punched Akainu twice? Cool story bro.
WB only managed that when he was so fucking angry that his haki was actually working. AKA, the only time in the entire war where he was actually at his real level (considering his age). Maybe that's what you meant to say.
Why not? It's his fruit, his ability, his power. Should we start taking abilities away from characters? Garp hurt Marco, and left him with bruises on the face. Kizaru didn't.
Cool story. How did Aokiji beat Jozu again? Oh right...
Jozu hit Kuzan when Kuzan wasn't paying attention either. The difference between those distracted hits is a tiny lip wound versus Jozu losing an arm and the fight.
You'll be more mad when you hear that I think Boa, DD and Mihawk are all admiral tier. DD at least, because he could fodderize Jozu, is above top commander tier even if he is under admiral tier. 3:
I don't. Jozu caught Kuzan unawares to open their fight and did almost nothing - Kuzan returned the favor to end the fight.
Because of DF, not their actual power. Kuzan's DF is one the deadliest, while Jozu's isn't. Getting distracted while fighting Jozu isn't as bad as getting distracted while fighting Kuzan because of their DFs. Jozu can only beat you up, while Kuzan can one shot pretty much anyone.
That doesn't mean that their fight did.
Jozu hit a Kuzan that wasn't focused on him and did the one damage. Kuzan hit a Jozu that wasn't focused and took his arm away.
Not true. Kizaru was shown to be superior. The difference in that fight is that Kizaru was taking away Marco's regeneration - he was doing the equivalent of hurting Marco. Meanwhile, marco did the nothing. He performed worse than Jozu.
That's not what a clear match is. Sabo was also inferior, could do nothing and land no blows. If you don't ever hit, harm or get near an opponent? You're not a clear match for them. It's like saying Usopp was a clear match for Luffy because he didn't lose immediately.
WB was after seeing Ace die. He was admiral fodderizin' mode after that event. The rest are just weaklings.
Because magic, obviously.
So what you're saying is that they were fodder to the admirals, stood no chance, and it goes deeper than just them being inferior - they're also fundamentally unable to beat such powerful devil fruits?
I mean, Doflamingo got frozen and just broke out of it. So it Whitebeard. Seems to me that Jozu is just weak.
Edited by Petite Fleur, 31 March 2015 - 09:13 AM.