I mean the senate and house of something something. They have the same job as a parliament right? Anyways there are plenty of hatefull, homophobic, and religious idiots in there too. So should we put sanctions on the entire country because of them? Should the people in the USA suffer because of your leaders? No, I don't think so.
They are both legislative bodies, yes, but they are entirely different systems of democracy.
It's hard to find any idiots in the US Congress. I'm not sure there is any at the moment. In American politics, in this recent era at least, conservative politicians will play the fool to get votes. As for hateful and homophobic, sure.
You're gonna put sanctions on the USA? You're hilarious and for the pettiness of the US Congress? Bad comparisons aren't gonna get us anywhere.
Yes, I would. Take a look at North Korea. It's probably the poorest country in the world and the people over there are suffering. All the sanctions just make their life worse. What use do all these sanctions have anyways? You're aiming for the elite butyou're hitting the poor people. The elite don't give a crap anyways because one way or another they still get what they want.
It's not the poorest. Yes, they are suffering at the hands of their oppressive government.
Well, it's hard to make their lifes any worse, so that's debatable. As for the use of them, to crush the regime and its' power base. It's gone quite well. The elite definitely aren't getting what they want, but I see your point. However, the citizenry always suffers when actions are taken against an oppressive government that has dreams of war and conquest. There's no perfect solution to geopolitical problems where no one gets hurt, you're being unrealistic.
Besides, we try and send aid, their government enjoys screwing that over though to keep the cult alive.
Yeah well the same can be said about the war in Libya and Syria where the rebels were funded by the West. Both countries are worse off than they were before. One of the groups that were funded by the West ended up becoming ISIS. there is also Russia who are funding the rebels in Ukraine. China used to fund the Koreans in their war against the West. Then there are the CIA, Mossad, the NSA etc all those secret agencies who specialize in terrorizing and killing people? I wonder how many Iranian researchers Mossad has killed by now? Every single country out there is funding some sort of violent group who's sole purpose is to murder, rape and ruin people's life. Nothing special.
I am, to this day, an opponent to our decision to give arms to the government opposition in Syria. I saw it as a huge mistake, which is what it turned to be. Syria's Civil War is Syria's problem. Also, no, it can't, rebels that fight openly with reasonable tactics and avowed terrorist groups built upon principles of hate and slaughter are not the same thing.
Also, ISIS' origins are more complicated that, yet, no doubt it helped enable the rise of those savages. Like I said, a huge mistake.
Can't say much for Libya, but tyrants are almost always destined to fall, it's just a matter of time.
CIA does not specialize in terrorizing people and never did, also, I don't know why you brought the NSA into this -- they're just the computer guys. The CIA has done terrible stuff, but that's not what they do....though they might help bring people to power that do if we're talking Cold War-era CIA, but that was war, dark times for intelligence agencies.
Mossad had all right to kill off scientists working on weapons for a regime, at one point, dedicated to wiping their nation off the face of the Earth. That is hardly a crime, it's ugly, but a matter of national security.
@bold: Also, definitely not.
I like how you've just been making excuses trying to paint Iran as some victim, it's absurd.
Mehh.. I'd put all of them in the same category. Israel is the worst of them all if you look purely at how many innocent people they kill every now and then.
EDIT: I just want to reiterate to you that I'm not against this nuclear deal. It will probably end up being the best made of a messy situation, I prefer bringing them to the table over less diplomatic means. Just clarifying that.
Edited by Peleihno, 03 April 2015 - 05:48 PM.