When he was upset due to Barragan's death?
Barragan's death made Starrk realize Aizen didn't care about any of them, but it wasn't why he lost.
I have no objection to the last sentence and never said otherwise. Your second sentence, though, is exactly why Love and Rose were there. That's what I said: they stalled Starrk for Shunsui's shikai to activate.
Admittedly, I'm drawing a blank on this part (mainly because the manga scans of the FKT chapters are no longer available on any of the sites that I use). But I don't recall Love or Rose saying why they offered to assist him, aside from the reason Shinji told Yamamoto.
Evidence for that?
not needing help=/=being able to do it.
Did it look like Hitsygaya needed help with Hallibel? He already had her entombed and had powered down by the time WW and Fura arrived. It wasn't like WW gave her a powerup. All he did was shatterr the ice tomb to set her free.
So I'm pretty sure he could've dealt with her again if it were necessary. But he was no longer interested in fighting with Hallibel, because he wanted to go after Aizen. I'd say that's more than sufficient.
You mean, besides:
- Barragan choosing to play around with Omaeda instead just getting it over with.
- Or choosing to go for Sui-Féng's shoulder, instead of her head when he had the chance.
- Stood and watched while she got into position to fire her bankai, rather than go for the finish (again).
- Despite the first shot missing entirely, he stood there in the resulting dustcloud, rather than use the opportunity to launch what could've been a surprise attack for... reasons?
- Wasted time staring at a wall that he could've gone around, or straight through.
- And he continued to stand there as Hacchi formed his barrier around him, while telling him what he was planning to do.
It's as if Barragan went completely brain dead during that fight. The man had multiple opportunities to put Sui-Féng, Hacchi, and Omaeda especially, out of their misery and pissed each one of them away, due to their plot armor.
I didn't say he couldn't have. I simply stated just because he has shown to be able to do a lot of shit doesn't mean he can do all kinds of shit. You are the one claiming he could have so the burden of proof is on you.
Given what all Urahara (and Mayuri) have done through lolscience, it's hardly a stretch.
1. Who said she already had those abilities back then?
I did, several times in fact during the "Rank the Lieutenants" thread on the old site. I figured she would be for the exact same reason I said for Urahara: lolscience. At that time, I was told I was either trolling or crazy because Nemu didn't even have a bankai. Not that it mattered, since lolscience >>>>> bankai. And years later, I was proven right.
Even if she did, that doesn't mean you can just generalize and claim something without proof. One case turns out to be true doesn't mean the others will. Sure, it serves to show anything is possible but not enough to make a definitive conclusion.
Except I'm not generalizing. I'm referring to Urahara, who has an established history of pulling sh*t out his *** when it's convenient for the plot. The same way Nemu pulled that untold power out hers when it was also convenient.
It's Shunsui...and Starrk overwhelmed Rose and Love (in shikai, admittedly but still...). Bare hand or not is irrelevant since each individual has his/her own fighting style.
Love and Rose were able to put up a fight against Starrk, plus it was 2-on-1. Grimmjow faced the same odds, yet he 1-shot Rukia right from the start and proceeded to literally kick Ichigo's *** from one side of town to the other.
So even if we take differences in fighting style into consideration, that's still a stark contrast in their respective performances. One was a fight, the other was an asswhupping. Plain and simple.
Ichigo was unstable as hell back then with his inner hollow dilemma...his reiatsu fluctuated significantly.
Which doesn't change the fact that he beat a 3rd seat, four lieutenants (Renji, Omadea, Chojiro, and Isane), plus two captains. Yet he lost while using bankai, to guy who wasn't even using his zan.