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#1981 Locormus

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:03 PM

Wait.. How is Franky a Pokémon @raptor13.. Wouldn't he be the Yugi-oh-cardmonster? Chopper can be the Pokémon and Carrot is the Digimon for obvious reasons..

 

And okay, I can kinda agree with Kidd. While the WereMink-ability isn't an asspull, because it was foreshadowed, the usage of such ability will be asspulls in the future when it suddenly will be a full moon half of the time when Carrot will fight an enemy. UNLESS she has an attack that creates an artificial full moon.. (looking at you Vegeta!)

 

That being said, BaseCarrot still has an interesting skillset that combines Chopper and Nami's assets: Melee Fighting (jumps and kicks) and electrical shocks (static electricity in Carrot's case).



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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:06 PM

Carrot's moon transformation is actually coinciding with the real world Supermoon

https://www.space.co...moon-guide.html

 

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 11:13 PM

Isn't Rabbits related to the Moon or something like that in Japanese mythology? or in some kind of mythology



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:47 AM

Carrot's moon transformation is actually coinciding with the real world Supermoon
https://www.space.co...moon-guide.html

Oda you sneaky bastard, well done.


Maybe but in manga there was a full moon 3 days ago....
 
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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:26 AM

Maybe but in manga there was a full moon 3 days ago....

it's because the op world has more than one moon.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:02 AM

6 to be specific. It is amazing this has never been addressed by oda.
 
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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:28 AM

Have you guys... Realized... The OP world isn't the same as ours? Like... The size of the planet could be different for example.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:34 PM

Well..... funny you say that. Because astrophysicis is extremely complicated. The short answer.....well it depends on what you mean by "bigger" like a few tons bigger? Or a few earth masses bigger?

The op world couldnt be much bigger then our earth because if it was twice the size of the earth, (or 8-10 masses bigger) the op world would hold on to too much hydrogen turning it into a gas giant, the op world is clearly a rocky planet so that isnt possible.
But captain what if the OP sun stripped away the hydrogen envlop? Well if the op world is in the habitabital zone (which it is) then only a red dwarf could do such a thing, and red dwarfs are not exactly capable of suporting life.

Now that isnt the limit either. The amount of water a planet retains is proportional to its gravity. Smaller plannets lose more water to space because their gravity cant hold on to water during the water cycle during the early days of the planet. Larger planets dont lose enough water during planet formation and retain a ton of water.
The earth is 70% water and if you look at op maps you see a ton of land mass in the blues, specifically the west blue has a huge continent on it. I would estimate the OP world is roughly 70% water maybe slightly more, obviously the gl/nw has a ton of water but the op world doesnt have our massive oceans.

Ok but that is the complicated stuff. Stuff you will probably google to see if i am telling the truth.

The obvious stuff is simple. The characters in op themselves. But forget them by now. Lets look at something simpler, the trees. The height a tree can get depends entirely on how much energy is required to transport water from its roots to its branches. Once it requires more energy to transport the water then the tree can produce through photosynthesis, then the tree cant grow anymore. A higher gravity that woud accompany the bigger op world would greatly increase the energy required to transport water to the branches, making them grow shorter. But in the op world we have seen massive trees, trees like the trees that make entire islands (SA) and the tree of knowledge on ohara and the treasure tree adam, and everything in skypiea (dont even think about saying there is less gravity) ao trees obviously in op are not burdened with heavy gravity

Also like i said earlier, the characters themselves. The human skeltal structure isnt designed to be under gravity much different then earth's for any long period of time. (Even the micro gravity experienced in the ISS causes problems) so op characters wouldnt be able to be....human shaped.


Ok but the big question. What if the op world was larger then ours but just as dense? That would mean the gravity is the same.
Well... we are kinda leaving my realm of experties......hahahaha i mean my realm of knowledge...
But i can say two things. Before that: density is an average of the planets weight and its size. Jupiter has a density lighter then water because the light hydrogen envlop off sets the weight of the extremely heavy core. 1 The way planets form the more dense objects sink to the middle and the less dense float to the top. This is why we have an iron core and water on the surface. Due to the fact water is on the surface of OP that means no solid can be less dense then water. (What about skypiea, shut up) so once again the op earth cant have a denisty like a gas giant because there are no lighter elements to offset the heavy elements. But why does there have to be heavy elements....well...

2 the magnetic field. This is rwwuired for life on earth, its most important job is shileding us all from the suns radaition. Only earth mercury the gas giants and the sun have a magnetic field. The suns is created by plasma the gas giants no one knows (theorized to be created by matelic hyrogen) which means Earth and Mercury's method is what the op world as to use. Ours is created by the spining of the earth cresting convection in the center allowing the iron core to hear up enough to turn to liquid and spin around the solid iron core. So the op world needs one like that meaning it needs a solid iron core and a liquid iron outer shell to shield every op character from dying.

Finally. It took chrstopher columbus 10 weeks to sail about 7,000 km across the alantic ocean. The earth is 40,000 km at the equator. Meaning it would of taken him 57 weeks to travel the entire equator. That sounds about right for op right? Even with the steam punk nonsense they still sail most of the time so they should be traveling around those speeds. If not faster. For the OP world to be bigger luffy's ship would have to be traveling at insane speeds. Since luffy traveled a little of the east blue, and half the gl (equator) in under a year. And considering the path his journey took him (10k km in the air) and all the breaks luffy took between fights, it is hard to believe the op world is much bigger.
Lets not forget half that trip was in the merry.
Also, even if the density was different and op was a sun sized planet with earth gravity, this point would still stand.


I get the number of moons may confuse you, but dont pay the moons much attention. Mars is smaller (and less dense) then earth and it has two moons. Our moon is the 5th largest moon in the solar system and it is bigger then pluto.



So the long answer is no the op world is probably not bigger then earth.

The short answer is sure it is oda's manga he can make it as long as he wants.
 
But the real question we need to be asking is- is the op world flat like our earth?
 
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Posted 10 December 2017 - 09:23 AM

Wait.. How is Franky a Pokémon @raptor13.. Wouldn't he be the Yugi-oh-cardmonster? Chopper can be the Pokémon and Carrot is the Digimon for obvious reasons..

 

And okay, I can kinda agree with Kidd. While the WereMink-ability isn't an asspull, because it was foreshadowed, the usage of such ability will be asspulls in the future when it suddenly will be a full moon half of the time when Carrot will fight an enemy. UNLESS she has an attack that creates an artificial full moon.. (looking at you Vegeta!)

 

That being said, BaseCarrot still has an interesting skillset that combines Chopper and Nami's assets: Melee Fighting (jumps and kicks) and electrical shocks (static electricity in Carrot's case).

 

He evolved from a spandex thieving shipright into a tea guzzling proper, and now he looks like a dragon quest metal version of the stone golem with x/y mega transformations  :huh:


Edited by raptor13, 10 December 2017 - 09:24 AM.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 09:31 AM

it's because the op world has more than one moon.

 

 

6 to be specific. It is amazing this has never been addressed by oda.

 

As Kazekage said in the chapter-thread, that was probably a geocentric planetary model, not one for satellites.



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Posted 10 December 2017 - 11:43 AM

This is not chapter or random discussion thread. You should be posting here only while spoiler thread is active.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 02:20 AM

Well..... funny you say that. Because astrophysicis is extremely complicated. The short answer.....well it depends on what you mean by "bigger" like a few tons bigger? Or a few earth masses bigger?

The op world couldnt be much bigger then our earth because if it was twice the size of the earth, (or 8-10 masses bigger) the op world would hold on to too much hydrogen turning it into a gas giant, the op world is clearly a rocky planet so that isnt possible.
But captain what if the OP sun stripped away the hydrogen envlop? Well if the op world is in the habitabital zone (which it is) then only a red dwarf could do such a thing, and red dwarfs are not exactly capable of suporting life.

Now that isnt the limit either. The amount of water a planet retains is proportional to its gravity. Smaller plannets lose more water to space because their gravity cant hold on to water during the water cycle during the early days of the planet. Larger planets dont lose enough water during planet formation and retain a ton of water.
The earth is 70% water and if you look at op maps you see a ton of land mass in the blues, specifically the west blue has a huge continent on it. I would estimate the OP world is roughly 70% water maybe slightly more, obviously the gl/nw has a ton of water but the op world doesnt have our massive oceans.

Ok but that is the complicated stuff. Stuff you will probably google to see if i am telling the truth.

The obvious stuff is simple. The characters in op themselves. But forget them by now. Lets look at something simpler, the trees. The height a tree can get depends entirely on how much energy is required to transport water from its roots to its branches. Once it requires more energy to transport the water then the tree can produce through photosynthesis, then the tree cant grow anymore. A higher gravity that woud accompany the bigger op world would greatly increase the energy required to transport water to the branches, making them grow shorter. But in the op world we have seen massive trees, trees like the trees that make entire islands (SA) and the tree of knowledge on ohara and the treasure tree adam, and everything in skypiea (dont even think about saying there is less gravity) ao trees obviously in op are not burdened with heavy gravity

Also like i said earlier, the characters themselves. The human skeltal structure isnt designed to be under gravity much different then earth's for any long period of time. (Even the micro gravity experienced in the ISS causes problems) so op characters wouldnt be able to be....human shaped.


Ok but the big question. What if the op world was larger then ours but just as dense? That would mean the gravity is the same.
Well... we are kinda leaving my realm of experties......hahahaha i mean my realm of knowledge...
But i can say two things. Before that: density is an average of the planets weight and its size. Jupiter has a density lighter then water because the light hydrogen envlop off sets the weight of the extremely heavy core. 1 The way planets form the more dense objects sink to the middle and the less dense float to the top. This is why we have an iron core and water on the surface. Due to the fact water is on the surface of OP that means no solid can be less dense then water. (What about skypiea, shut up) so once again the op earth cant have a denisty like a gas giant because there are no lighter elements to offset the heavy elements. But why does there have to be heavy elements....well...

2 the magnetic field. This is rwwuired for life on earth, its most important job is shileding us all from the suns radaition. Only earth mercury the gas giants and the sun have a magnetic field. The suns is created by plasma the gas giants no one knows (theorized to be created by matelic hyrogen) which means Earth and Mercury's method is what the op world as to use. Ours is created by the spining of the earth cresting convection in the center allowing the iron core to hear up enough to turn to liquid and spin around the solid iron core. So the op world needs one like that meaning it needs a solid iron core and a liquid iron outer shell to shield every op character from dying.

Finally. It took chrstopher columbus 10 weeks to sail about 7,000 km across the alantic ocean. The earth is 40,000 km at the equator. Meaning it would of taken him 57 weeks to travel the entire equator. That sounds about right for op right? Even with the steam punk nonsense they still sail most of the time so they should be traveling around those speeds. If not faster. For the OP world to be bigger luffy's ship would have to be traveling at insane speeds. Since luffy traveled a little of the east blue, and half the gl (equator) in under a year. And considering the path his journey took him (10k km in the air) and all the breaks luffy took between fights, it is hard to believe the op world is much bigger.
Lets not forget half that trip was in the merry.
Also, even if the density was different and op was a sun sized planet with earth gravity, this point would still stand.


I get the number of moons may confuse you, but dont pay the moons much attention. Mars is smaller (and less dense) then earth and it has two moons. Our moon is the 5th largest moon in the solar system and it is bigger then pluto.



So the long answer is no the op world is probably not bigger then earth.

The short answer is sure it is oda's manga he can make it as long as he wants.
 
But the real question we need to be asking is- is the op world flat like our earth?

 

One can say that the reason to why life exist on Earth is because of its relationship with the Moon, which causes the planet to generate a magnetic field to prevent the moon from escaping. With Mars, however, the reason for its current state is not because of its size, but because it does not have a large lunar moon like Earths' that would allow the planet to produce a strong magnetic field to prevent its moon from escaping. While Mars does have two small moons, they are really captured asteroids. However, if scientists are able to relocate Jupiter's Moon Io from its current position around the planet to Mars, the red planet would not only generate a strong magnetic field, but will also be able to regenerate its thick atmosphere layers like Earth's own.

 

As for Venus, scientists would have to relocate the Planet towards the orbit between Earth and Mars, as well as to make the Planet Mercury its new moon, which is slightly bigger than Earth's moon. However, Mercury as Venus natural satellite would allow the planet to generate a strong magnetic field, as well as to recirculate the CO2 to a manageable level for plant life to take hold since the heat will be reduce. Also the farther away Venus is from its current position around the Sun, the faster its rotation on its axis that would be increase to 24hrs as that of Earth and Mars.    


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 08:12 AM

One can say that the reason to why life exist on Earth is because of its relationship with the Moon, which causes the planet to generate a magnetic field to prevent the moon from escaping. With Mars, however, the reason for its current state is not because of its size, but because it does not have a large lunar moon like Earths' that would allow the planet to produce a strong magnetic field to prevent its moon from escaping. While Mars does have two small moons, they are really captured asteroids. However, if scientists are able to relocate Jupiter's Moon Io from its current position around the planet to Mars, the red planet would not only generate a strong magnetic field, but will also be able to regenerate its thick atmosphere layers like Earth's own.

As for Venus, scientists would have to relocate the Planet towards the orbit between Earth and Mars, as well as to make the Planet Mercury its new moon, which is slightly bigger than Earth's moon. However, Mercury as Venus natural satellite would allow the planet to generate a strong magnetic field, as well as to recirculate the CO2 to a manageable level for plant life to take hold since the heat will be reduce. Also the farther away Venus is from its current position around the Sun, the faster its rotation on its axis that would be increase to 24hrs as that of Earth and Mars.



That theory never made sense to me. If the moon was responsible for keeping the molten core moving in the earth then how come murcery has a magnetic field?

Regardless the moon and mars both had a magenitic field at one point, so a moon is hardly as necessary as you state.

Also the cause of the magnatic field is the dynmo flow on the earths core. The moon may....MAY help maintain that but it isnt the reason we have a magnatic field. And i dont know what the hell you mean next up but i can assure you 100% the reason the moon orbits the earth is not because the earth's magnetic field holds it in place that is moronic.

Hahaha ya they are captured asteoids..... most moons are....

As for your hypothetical venus mercury planet i have no clue if mercury's gravity acting on venus' core would be enough energy to melt any portion of its core and start a dynmo flow to create a magnatic field. But to me that sounds impossible.
 
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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:23 AM

That theory never made sense to me. If the moon was responsible for keeping the molten core moving in the earth then how come murcery has a magnetic field?

Regardless the moon and mars both had a magenitic field at one point, so a moon is hardly as necessary as you state.

Also the cause of the magnatic field is the dynmo flow on the earths core. The moon may....MAY help maintain that but it isnt the reason we have a magnatic field. And i dont know what the hell you mean next up but i can assure you 100% the reason the moon orbits the earth is not because the earth's magnetic field holds it in place that is moronic.

Hahaha ya they are captured asteoids..... most moons are....

As for your hypothetical venus mercury planet i have no clue if mercury's gravity acting on venus' core would be enough energy to melt any portion of its core and start a dynmo flow to create a magnatic field. But to me that sounds impossible.

Get this shit out of the spoiler section lol. I don't want people to speculate about how the moon affects the earths core in an anime with beings made of elements and them not always acting together properly. Stop arguing one piece physics on such an in depth level lol



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:37 AM

Well it was mainly a response to the last chapter, we pointed out the op world has 6 moons, then we speculated on how the op world is "different" then earth. I used some stupid science speculation to imply it cant be too different then ended by saying it is oda's manga and he can do what ever he wants.

No clue what i was responding to above with moons and magnatic fields...

I think the only question we need answered about the OP world is: is the op world flat like our earth.
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Posted 14 December 2017 - 11:31 AM

Well it was mainly a response to the last chapter, we pointed out the op world has 6 moons, then we speculated on how the op world is "different" then earth. I used some stupid science speculation to imply it cant be too different then ended by saying it is oda's manga and he can do what ever he wants.

No clue what i was responding to above with moons and magnatic fields...

I think the only question we need answered about the OP world is: is the op world flat like our earth.

In my understanding the fact that there are horizons would imply that it's not flat, and that gravity functions the way it does in this story. 


Edited by Lucky Wolf, 14 December 2017 - 11:56 AM.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 05:42 PM

the ocean is flat period.anyone who shows you a curved ocean horizon is the result of a fish eye lens that curves the perception of the environment.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:37 PM

IF SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT TO BE MODERATOR, THAT ONE SHOULD SAY THAT LOUD.

 

Chapter was released 7 days ago, and people are keep misusing this thread! Talking about flat earth! For those that need more space discussing there is https://onemangaforu...m/12-off-topic/






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