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#61 Peleihno

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 04:55 PM

I've always wanted to go hunting.

Anyway, when it comes to endangered creatures, it should be banned, everything else should be a matter of regulating hunters fairly yet sternly. So, how we're basically doing things now, though it's clear security measures against poachers on the African continent could use some work.

The time for big game hunting has passed.

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 04:58 PM

A debate on hunting....really? OK just a few things to say as a person who Hunts/Fishes/Even owns pets (what a monster I am) anywho. lets get down to business. Why do people hunt? Because its cheaper than getting meat at the market. By quite a large margin actually.(especially if you trap/snare hunt) Not only that, but eating different types of meat is actually better for your health than eating the same type of meat over and over again. Kinda like ya gotta eat your different fruits and veggies, same principle applies with meats. Not only this, but you also don't have to worry about the meat being packed full of who knows what. You already know whats in that meat. Meat, and whatever you put into it. Hide, as well as excess meat can be sold/given away to the locals in the area. (note: hunters are far more likely to share meat for free than a corporation.)


Onto the next area, hunting for sport. Widely hunting for sport is done by people that have too much. People that don't need the meat, or the hide. These are the people that I personally dislike the most, as it leaves less for us to hunt, as well as just plain wastes good meat. For the record fishing for sport is actually not as nice of a thing as it sounds to people who think catch/release means the fish do not die. About 50% of the time the fish will die from the wounds brought about by the hook used to catch it. (a lot of the time due to a wound to the gill. Imagine a person with a pierced lung being left on their own without aid.) So needless to say, I don't support any type of hunting for sport.


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Posted 10 August 2015 - 09:00 PM

Nobody else should be needing to hunt for food. 


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Posted 11 August 2015 - 02:38 PM

And how do you deal with boars whose number gets way too high to the point they destroy the balance and even go to villages and/or destroy fields (giving you food)? 

How is hunting more horrible than the slaughter of thousands of animals raised only for food? 

What will you do once wild animals are at your door because no hunter took account of the population of the species? 

 

Just so you know, about those people who hunt for fun, they usually hunt in groups, and what they kill, they share between them. Nothing is supposed to be wasted. What's more, it's still in the regimentation, so they have specific targets. They can't hunt the young ones for example. For some species, they only hunt adult males, so that they can know how many "groups" there are with a male at the head of the group. 

It's as if you think a hunter is simply a guy with a gun who goes in the forest and kills a random animal. You couldn't be more mistaken. 



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Posted 11 August 2015 - 09:05 PM

And how do you deal with boars whose number gets way too high to the point they destroy the balance and even go to villages and/or destroy fields (giving you food)? 

How is hunting more horrible than the slaughter of thousands of animals raised only for food? 

What will you do once wild animals are at your door because no hunter took account of the population of the species? 

 

Just so you know, about those people who hunt for fun, they usually hunt in groups, and what they kill, they share between them. Nothing is supposed to be wasted. What's more, it's still in the regimentation, so they have specific targets. They can't hunt the young ones for example. For some species, they only hunt adult males, so that they can know how many "groups" there are with a male at the head of the group. 

It's as if you think a hunter is simply a guy with a gun who goes in the forest and kills a random animal. You couldn't be more mistaken. 

Hunting because ther is a pest control problem is fine. 

 

But what glory is putting a deer head on a plague? That's what the people you talk about hunting for fun do. They don't hunt deer cause they like the taste of deer. They do it so they hvae something to talk about the next day. That's wrong. 


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Posted 12 August 2015 - 12:27 AM

Hunting because ther is a pest control problem is fine. 

 

But what glory is putting a deer head on a plague? That's what the people you talk about hunting for fun do. They don't hunt deer cause they like the taste of deer. They do it so they hvae something to talk about the next day. That's wrong. 

actually you are quite mistaken. A lot of hunters that have trophies only make a trophy out of the biggest baddest deer they kill. Its kinda like saying look here. I killed this thing that was this big. Kinda like saying I am stronger than this animal. Of course, it doesnt make any sense when you kill them with a gun if you ask me, but thats what people who make plaques out of deer heads/wolf heads/etc... do.

 

For the record though @azer_moli, there are actually people that do not eat the meat from the trophies they hunt. Its those people that I don't really care for. But no, they do not just go into the woods and kill a random animal. They track a specific animal that they have heard about and will only shoot that specific one.


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Posted 29 August 2015 - 08:43 PM

Hunting for deer/fishing/whatever to eat: Fine. We've been doing that since the beginning of time, though I have no desire to eat deer meat.  Also, sometimes one has to hunt to control the population of a certain animal, like in PA (and maybe other states), sometimes they have deer hunts because there's so goddamn many of them. 

 

 

Trophy Hunting like the one who killed that lion? No. You're fucked up and you need Jesus.



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Posted 11 September 2015 - 06:47 PM

Any hunting is fine in my book. Species of animals don't need to be saved. Species die off daily.


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Posted 11 September 2015 - 07:14 PM

Any hunting is fine in my book. Species of animals don't need to be saved. Species die off daily.

Yes, there should only be humans living on earth. Who cares about anything else. Humans are the only thing important.


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Posted 11 September 2015 - 08:51 PM

Yes, there should only be humans living on earth. Who cares about anything else. Humans are the only thing important.

 

Nah just seems arrogant to try and "protect" nature. Humans are part of the natural world along with anything they do or create just like any other animal. The world will regulate itself.

 

Now if the argument were being made to save a species because it is vital to humans surviving I'd be fine. That's not the argument being made though.


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Posted 11 September 2015 - 09:36 PM

Nah just seems arrogant to try and "protect" nature. Humans are part of the natural world along with anything they do or create just like any other animal. The world will regulate itself.

 

Now if the argument were being made to save a species because it is vital to humans surviving I'd be fine. That's not the argument being made though.

No it doesn't since we are the ones destroying it. The problem with the world would regulate is that humans are killing species faster than they can evolved. It is like a meteor that killed the dinosaurs kept hitting the planet every 100 years or so. Do you think their would be life after the 6 time?

 

The next part is the arrogance of man. What the hell is important? Something that humans wouldn't think is important is going to get killed off by us and when it is gone. We would be shit out of luck.


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Posted 11 September 2015 - 09:41 PM

No it doesn't since we are the ones destroying it. The problem with the world would regulate is that humans are killing species faster than they can evolved. It is like a meteor that killed the dinosaurs kept hitting the planet every 100 years or so. Do you think their would be life after the 6 time?

 

The next part is the arrogance of man. What the hell is important? Something that humans wouldn't think is important is going to get killed off by us and when it is gone. We would be shit out of luck.

 

 

You're confusing life with the world. There is more to nature than life. Also we're not destroying the world; we're making the world a place that will eventually become inhospitable for humans as we are now. That's not the same as destroying the world.

 

Then we would have reached the end of our evolutionary trail. We are nothing more than animals, after all.


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Posted 15 September 2015 - 11:15 AM

Hunting can take a lot of forms. You have the joke of fox hunting in England, where the hunters themselves are in no danger. Or the hunting which resulted in Dick Cheney shooting a fellow hunter.

 

And then you have a person going out and hunting - say, deer. They are totally alone and are doing it because they intend to eat the deer (or sell the meat to pay for their livelihood)

 

I have no qualms if a person intends to properly utilize the animal after death. Chances are, these animals running around in the wild have lived better lives than what we give the livestock in farms. (Which is a whole other issue)



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Posted 16 September 2015 - 12:39 AM

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this isn't hunting.


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Posted 17 September 2015 - 10:56 AM

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this isn't hunting.

 

 

I mean... http://dictionary.re...wse/hunting?s=t

 

It kinda is. 


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Posted 01 October 2015 - 03:10 AM

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this isn't hunting.

That seems more like a population control thing there. population was getting out of hand so they used ancient hunting techniques (yes, this is indeed a very old hunting technique) to funnel a certain amount of animals into a kill zone. This is most likely why it was something that was allowed by the local government.


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Posted 01 October 2015 - 11:41 AM

That seems more like a population control thing there. population was getting out of hand so they used ancient hunting techniques (yes, this is indeed a very old hunting technique) to funnel a certain amount of animals into a kill zone. This is most likely why it was something that was allowed by the local government.

Even if that was the case there are better ways of doing it.


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Posted 01 October 2015 - 12:44 PM

Even if that was the case there are better ways of doing it.

not really, that's a pretty effective way of doing that. I mean, they can't really get more effective than that.


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Posted 01 October 2015 - 01:11 PM

It's quite curious as to why this will be questioned and frowned upon when it's specifically a hunting method that is observed and practiced by many predators. Whales do it. Wolves do it. Lions do it. It's an effective hunting technique. When animals do it we marvel at their intelligence, when humans do it, it's deplorable. :shrug:
 
It's a widely practiced method. I think in some parts of the world they call that farming.

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Posted 01 October 2015 - 01:37 PM

 When animals do it we marvel at their intelligence, when humans do it, it's deplorable. :shrug:

 

 

Most humans don't want to admit/acknowledge that they are animals when it comes down to it.


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