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#41 Petite Fleur

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 11:33 AM

Blackbeard's fruit could weaken or nullify his death defying power if it is DF based. 

Assuming he has the haki to affect Kaidou. I'm assuming that he does, but it's always possible that he doesn't.


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Posted 31 July 2015 - 01:15 PM

Assuming he has the haki to affect Kaidou. I'm assuming that he does, but it's always possible that he doesn't.


How come you assume that BB has strong Haki? I've been given the impression that a coward like him would not have the same level of willpower as someone like Luffy, DD or Zoro that's why he has those two types of Devil Fruits. His "fight" with WB comes to mind. Not saying he doesn't, just want to know why someone like him would have a strong willpower, which I think is necessary for really strong Haki.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 01:27 PM

How come you assume that BB has strong Haki? I've been given the impression that a coward like him would not have the same level of willpower as someone like Luffy, DD or Zoro that's why he has those two types of Devil Fruits. His "fight" with WB comes to mind. Not saying he doesn't, just want to know why someone like him would have a strong willpower, which I think is necessary for really strong Haki.

Given everything that he's been through, and his survival through it all, he seems silly, but he also couldn't have made it this far without the will to succeed.


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Posted 31 July 2015 - 01:34 PM

Given everything that he's been through, and his survival through it all, he seems silly, but he also couldn't have made it this far without the will to succeed.


I can see that he has a strong belief in "fate", however he is quick to cower in the face of fear and uncertainty unlike the others I mentioned. I don't think it's particularly necessary for him to have as strong of a Haki as Luffy and others either.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 01:41 PM

I can see that he has a strong belief in "fate", however he is quick to cower in the face of fear and uncertainty unlike the others I mentioned. I don't think it's particularly necessary for him to have as strong of a Haki as Luffy and others either.

 

I don't really see that as fear, though, anymore than I see Luffy's many retreats from the marines as fear.


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Posted 31 July 2015 - 10:41 PM

Doubt Blackbeard's darkness fruit needs haki to nullify abilities. He said himself that Logia, Paramecia and Zoans are all useless against him if he uses Kurouzu.  That's why he wanted the fruit so badly.  It's unique among the devil fruits. That, and he's the main antagonist which means he has to have something better than everyone else.



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Posted 01 August 2015 - 04:41 AM

Doubt Blackbeard's darkness fruit needs haki to nullify abilities. He said himself that Logia, Paramecia and Zoans are all useless against him if he uses Kurouzu.  That's why he wanted the fruit so badly.  It's unique among the devil fruits. That, and he's the main antagonist which means he has to have something better than everyone else.

Nothing states that his own ability wont be susceptible to haki, though. It would be necessary to have it, since high end enemies would easily be able to nullify his ability if he had absolutely no resistance to it.


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Posted 01 August 2015 - 08:53 AM

I hopw qw see jaido use ALL the haki.

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 10:52 AM

How can something like that make sense? Tell me.

 

He didn't commit suicide, that is a lie, at best he "tried" to. 

 

Tell us how it doesn't?

 It's clear he didn't commit suicide. That would have been pointless. it's the attempt / desire for it and the unknown reason it is beyond his grasp that hypes / adds mystery to him.

 

 And yet you're saying that what Oda says as the voice of the narrator, what Kaido says as the voice of the character himself, and what Kaido does as the actions of the character himself, and even the name of the chapter all have no actual support or indication towards the easy assumption people are making, despite that being their literal meanings

 

 So ... why?

 

Pretty sure he has no DF. Otherwise, he'd jump into the ocean.  Or the Marines would've locked him in seastone cuffs and decapitated him.  Or Blackbeard could use Kurouzu and kill him anyway he wants.  

 

If he has some ability, it's probably because he is a demon.

 

I'm going to assume he soloed Moria's crew.  Was never suggested he brought his crew with him. Or into any of the fights where he was captured.  Only right now is he trying to expand his army with the SAD project.  And that's all to prepare for that great war that he's planning.

 

I'm curious why he doesn't just fall into the sea / suffocate.

 Maybe he's an actual zombie, or has some deeper relationship with / connection to Moria. A true undead, or a shadow he lost control over? Moria having created the strongest immortal would be a neat little callback / twist.



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Posted 01 August 2015 - 11:43 AM

Reading how the narrator says its a kind of hobby for Kaido to suicide, i understood it more like he is just trying things out like "lets see if i can resist this" more than trying to kill himself in a 100% situation, thats what i feel about it, and thats why he wouldnt try eating a DF and jumping to the oceana to me. Is it too ilogical?

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 11:48 AM

Reading how the narrator says its a kind of hobby for Kaido to suicide, i understood it more like he is just trying things out like "lets see if i can resist this" more than trying to kill himself in a 100% situation, thats what i feel about it, and thats why he wouldnt try eating a DF and jumping to the oceana to me. Is it too ilogical?

If that was the case, he wouldn't have complained about not being dead...

 

As for DF, maybe his ''undead curse'' is even stronger than that.


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Posted 01 August 2015 - 12:00 PM

I foresee he tried DF suiciding. maybe he already eaten 100 DF and still alive.

it is possible this saga we will see more mystery of DF and why Blackbeard can have more than 1 DF power


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 09:44 AM

Lets assume that Kaido indeed has the immortality/invulnerable fruit. falling into the sea doesnt negate his power(luffy was stretched at arlong park) , he should be perfectly fine, just sunk to the bottom and feel weak because that's what the sea does to fruit users. Blackbeard may actually have the power to kill him, his fruit actually sucks the power of fruit users. Lets analyze something else for a second, if there's an immortality fruit, is Kaido the first to eat it?.


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 02:30 PM

It makes sense if he is the first and only to eat an Imortal DF cause he is old as hell 

 

And in the water jump discussion, I agree that he gets washed to the shore and still survives, like I said he is cursed somehow by his DF so he can never die.


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 03:45 PM

Another thing, If Kaido has Immortality, what if it's not a fruit, it could be that someone who had law's fruit in the past gave immortality to Kaido, that particular power of law's fruit was given a lot of attention for some reason.


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 07:02 PM

It makes sense if he is the first and only to eat an Imortal DF cause he is old as hell 

 

And in the water jump discussion, I agree that he gets washed to the shore and still survives, like I said he is cursed somehow by his DF so he can never die.

All DFs are 'cursed', the curse is that they can't swim.  Seawater weakens all DF users, no exceptions (except for maybe Blackbeard).  Besides, think Blackbeard would've gone for his fruit if he knew it was so OP.



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Posted 03 August 2015 - 07:19 PM

The official translation of last chapter's final page from Viz

 

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1 vs 1 always bet on Kaido :isee:


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 08:06 PM

Dont tell me he wanted to fight in the war of the best instead of Whitebeard thats why he tried to stop him...and Shanks probably stopped Kaidou and told him to respect Whitebeards final desire?


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 08:10 PM

"People say"   "is said"  :P

 

I dont get why Oda just wont say HE IS the Worlds Strongest Creature"

 

like he did with WB and Mihawks title, straight up in an info box.  :(

 

Stop playing with my heart Oda. 


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 08:15 PM

The official translation of last chapter's final page from Viz
 


 
1 vs 1 always bet on Kaido :isee:

Good thing it's a 3on1.
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