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#181 DarkNemesis

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 11:36 AM


Such a method is and should only be a last resort. What he did (if he believed his actions were legitimately fighting against the government) was foolhardy at best. Such small actions are tantamount to nothing. As they say, go big or go home, start a rebellion or don't. But if a rebellion starts, beware joining it means everything up to and including laying down your life for it.

 

How I missed this is bewildering. But anyway, the monks in the Middle East and the citizens in Yemen I think would disagree with that sentiment.

 

To be clear, I'm not looking, hoping, nor wanting an Arab Spring here.


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Posted 12 July 2016 - 11:58 AM

How I missed this is bewildering. But anyway, the monks in the Middle East and the citizens in Yemen I think would disagree with that sentiment.

 

To be clear, I'm not looking, hoping, nor wanting an Arab Spring here.

lets be clear about this. I was speaking of his attacking "the issue" quite literally here. Non-violent methods are of course much better in practice, and can become something bigger. The key fact here was that he was using violence on his own. Which is pretty much ineffectual.


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Posted 12 July 2016 - 01:57 PM

lets be clear about this. I was speaking of his attacking "the issue" quite literally here. Non-violent methods are of course much better in practice, and can become something bigger. The key fact here was that he was using violence on his own. Which is pretty much ineffectual.

 

Well we seem to be talking about slightly different things here. I'm assuming that in this guy's head he was exercising the 2nd amendment, in terms defending against a tyrannical government. Now clearly he is not Rambo with Super Saiyan hair. Therefore, he is not taking down the Dallas PD or any other PD for that matter by himself. With this, he's not going to immediately change police procedure nor racial profiling either. However, his actions may spark something else. And people who are moved by that something else may use the record of police brutality and the 2nd amendment as basis for it. Regardless of how erroneous they may be.


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Posted 12 July 2016 - 06:31 PM

Well we seem to be talking about slightly different things here. I'm assuming that in this guy's head he was exercising the 2nd amendment, in terms defending against a tyrannical government. Now clearly he is not Rambo with Super Saiyan hair. Therefore, he is not taking down the Dallas PD or any other PD for that matter by himself. With this, he's not going to immediately change police procedure nor racial profiling either. However, his actions may spark something else. And people who are moved by that something else may use the record of police brutality and the 2nd amendment as basis for it. Regardless of how erroneous they may be.

negative ghost rider, this is not something that is going to spark a change like that. As I said before it will merely be seen as a violent action taken with no justification behind it. His stance only shows a desire to kill. His actions are warranted as unjustified, and foolhardy. The only thing this led to for the man was his own death, and the deaths/injuries of those whom he shot. He had no backing. He had no allies. He only had a desire to trade death for death. Trading deaths is not the way to solve the problems with the officers. If he felt oppressed to the degree he saw the need to rise up in arms against his own country, then he should have done so with a plan, with a proper goal. Instead he only acted out like a child having a tantrum, and that is how he is viewed by most everyone who reads about what he did. (at least insofar as from what I see from my friends online/around the workplace)


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Posted 12 July 2016 - 07:17 PM

and that is how he is viewed by most everyone who reads about what he did. (at least insofar as from what I see from my friends online/around the workplace)


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Posted 12 July 2016 - 08:42 PM

http://www.slate.com...e_officers.html

 

that gunman can be the start of something bigger like dark said


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