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#21 Morfeus

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 12:57 PM

Amusingly enough, I thought Eto referred Kaneki when she meant the kid with an insane amount of power, given how fixated she was to him when Shironeki appeared, how the Mad scientist called him a 'Perfect imperfection' and how Eto wanted to create more 'Kanekis'

 

Huh, never thought about it that way. Might be true.

 

I don't know; I just sorta connected these two panels together.

 

Spoiler

 

Meaning that Eto's decision - to give Kanae (Or Karren) power - is equal to the Kid-God's decision to give Eve knowledge, thereby making her a Kid-God too?


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:10 PM

Eto is more like satan. There are even those refferences to Bible.

 

She had a rough childhood so she has a twisted personality. If she wasn't abandoned in worst place of all as a child, then she might have been different person. She despises her own father for that and she seems to have no real respect for anything. 

We don't know everything about her past, so we don't know if there is a power that forced her to obey on whatever terms or if she is the real ruler of Aogiri (but she seems to be followingothers within AT and shares her time with her personality as a writer, so not really a manager of a secret organization). Anyway, she - probably due to her personal power - seems to have a lot of freedom with whatever she is doing, eg. toying with Kanae.


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 01:38 PM

 

 
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Posted 08 November 2015 - 02:28 PM

Thank God that you guys explained it 



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Posted 08 November 2015 - 02:47 PM

We already knew Kanae was a girl...

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:35 PM

I didn't know that Kanae was a girl

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:39 PM

We already knew Kanae was a girl...

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:39 PM

We already knew Kanae was a girl...

 

 

I didn't know that Kanae was a girl

 

 

At the start, i was like, "this girl likes dressing like a boy", then something made me think she was a boy (can't remember what it was)  and i was shocked. Should have stuck with my first assessment, i normally get that right. 



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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:44 PM

You know, given the art style and gender depiction of manga these days, I've kind of gotten tired of trying to figure out whether someone androgynous is a Bishonen/Bishoujo, Trap/Reverse Trap, etc.

 

So personally, this chapter was kind of exasperating in that regard


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 04:10 PM

Pretty much agree with Gamria. The confusion of gender and sex is becoming way too common in modern anime/mangas.

 

And I feel like the sex in the case of Gamria is plot-irrelevant. Mutsuki is fine, since it's such a huge part of his personality and story.

But Kanae? Kanae's love for Shuu is the same, no matter the gender or birth-sex. The revelation did nothing for the plot or the readers view on Kanae in my opinion.

 

When I read the parts revealing Kanae's true sex, all I could think was: "And why is this included again?"  :rly:

 

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 04:15 PM

Pretty much agree with Gamria. The confusion of gender and sex is becoming way too common in modern anime/mangas.

 

And I feel like the sex in the case of Gamria is plot-irrelevant. Mutsuki is fine, since it's such a huge part of his personality and story.

But Kanae? Kanae's love for Shuu is the same, no matter the gender or birth-sex. The revelation did nothing for the plot or the readers view on Kanae in my opinion.

 

When I read the parts revealing Kanae's true sex, all I could think was: "And why is this included again?"  :rly:

 

...

 

Also, Clyde is confirmed clairvoyant.

 

It is plot relevant for the fact that Shuu and Kanae can have little babies and continue the blood line that was at its end, that's the point i gathered from the chapter.  


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 04:18 PM

These days, I just consider everyone a boy until confirmed at least 3 times by the author. 



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Posted 08 November 2015 - 04:22 PM

To be fair, Kanae trying to pass herself as male shows her dedication to uphold the legacy of her household, as a strong man has higher chances of succeeding that than a fragile woman.

 

Not that it would've worked out ultimately

 

These days, I just consider everyone a boy until confirmed at least 3 times by the author. 

Plus, with art style these days, I've always found it unfair if the audience winds up getting caught in Traps


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 04:26 PM

It is plot relevant for the fact that Shuu and Kanae can have little babies and continue the blood line that was at its end, that's the point i gathered from the chapter.  

Oh, yet another reason for the chapter being titled "Eve".


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 04:43 PM

 

 

Plus, with art style these days, I've always found it unfair if the audience winds up getting caught in Traps

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 04:56 PM

Spoiler

 

Confused?

 

Spoiler


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 05:01 PM

It is plot relevant for the fact that Shuu and Kanae can have little babies and continue the blood line that was at its end, that's the point i gathered from the chapter.  

 

Yeah, that's true. Maybe I just give too little f***s about the whole Rosenwald affair. :mellow:  As I wrote, it was just in my opinion the birth-sex seemed plot-irrelevant.

I think the love-story or what-should-I-call-it between Kanae and Shuu could have worked out fine without the Rosenwald-backstory in this chapter, as love, affection or even admiration doesn't need a reason.
Might just be me.

 

What's the general consensus on Mutsuki's gender by the way? Do we write in terms of gender (he) or sex (she)?

I've chosen "he" thus far, since that seems the most polite, while I haven't quite decided on Kanae yet.

 

 

 

Confused?

 

Spoiler
 

 

Now that... Is scary.


Edited by Morfeus, 08 November 2015 - 05:02 PM.

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 05:30 PM

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There wasn't any lead about it.

Boy, if I already knew before this chapter, and I don't mean I thought, I KNEW, then a previous chapter made the sublte or not so sublte hint/reveal already.

Edited by Clyde, 08 November 2015 - 05:35 PM.

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 06:01 PM

Yeah, that's true. Maybe I just give too little f***s about the whole Rosenwald affair. :mellow:  As I wrote, it was just in my opinion the birth-sex seemed plot-irrelevant.

I think the love-story or what-should-I-call-it between Kanae and Shuu could have worked out fine without the Rosenwald-backstory in this chapter, as love, affection or even admiration doesn't need a reason.
Might just be me.

 

What's the general consensus on Mutsuki's gender by the way? Do we write in terms of gender (he) or sex (she)?

I've chosen "he" thus far, since that seems the most polite, while I haven't quite decided on Kanae yet.

 

 
 

 

Now that... Is scary.

 

Was it ever confirmed what sex Mutsuki is? i can't remember.

 

I may have a odd or different way of looking at people. If someone has male genitalia then i call that person a "him" "he" "guy" whatever, same with a female. I don't see this whole "i feel like a Him/Her". what does that even mean? Does feeling like a man mean you're more aggressive, stern, macho? I don't see how a woman can't have these feelings too.

 

I guess what i am saying is that a woman wanting to be looked at as a "him" seems more like an unnecessary label to fit in? I don't know though just my opinion. If a woman wants to be macho or act like a normal male then just do it, don't worry what others think.

 

Mutsuki doesn't want to act or dress like a girl for whatever reason, and she/he shouldn't have too, Mutsuki wanting to be called a man i would assume would be to avoid awkward situations.

 

Him and Her are just labels......



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Posted 08 November 2015 - 07:09 PM

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