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#881 trafalgarlawisop

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 10:24 AM

While i don't know about everyone else, I'm getting tired of all the "morally gray" stories that are out there. Sometimes it's nice to have a very clear and simple story of good vs evil.

 

As for me, i don't think the prequels did a single thing better over the originals, though they are not as bad as people make them out to be. It's funny how some people are looking fondly at them now, after how bad 7 and 8 (mostly 8) was.

 

Ironically, the original trilogy transformed into a story of a son trying to save and surpass his father while still being fun, exciting, enchanting, and  entertaining.

 

The prequels at the very least felt magical, and had that enchanting star wars atmosphere from the original and there was a sense of direction and story threads building up from one another unlike the Disney Star Wars with no specific direction. The issue were poor dialogues, terrible love story, 1 and 3 had bad pacing Imo, too much cgi and lack of real set, and uneven quality in directing.

 

Watched Solo a star wars story... I was pleasantly surprised. There are issues like the war and depressive atmosphere from Rogue One, and the Sjw droid making me cringe non stop. Apart from these cons, the film was well paced, fun, and felt more like a star wars film with magical moments, good dialogues, great action sequences reminiscent of Indiana Jones and the original trilogy, great banter and comebacks between the characters especially when they deliver exposition( which was awkward in the Last jedi

 

I liked the actor that Han more than I thought I would and he actually fits a younger more naive version of Solo. In likability ranking, he is above Shia LaBeouf (ok that's not much of a standard) but below Ingruber who is more charismatic, and handsome . Donald Glover was good as Lando and I like the banter with Solo and the other characters. Emilia Clarke was  :wub: .

 

Definitely a good time.



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Posted 24 October 2018 - 01:09 PM

While i don't know about everyone else, I'm getting tired of all the "morally gray" stories that are out there. Sometimes it's nice to have a very clear and simple story of good vs evil.

 

As for me, i don't think the prequels did a single thing better over the originals, though they are not as bad as people make them out to be. It's funny how some people are looking fondly at them now, after how bad 7 and 8 (mostly 8) was.

i will argue that it wasn't a good, good vs evil story. Why was the empire evil and rebels good?  The empire blew up a planet that i never saw or care about. Who knows they might have been an evil planet that had slaves or something. Ben died. Once again i knew him for 5 mins in the movie why should i care he died.

 

Star wars OT was horribly written. If it was made today it would have been killed by critics.


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Posted 24 October 2018 - 05:45 PM

i will argue that it wasn't a good, good vs evil story. Why was the empire evil and rebels good?  The empire blew up a planet that i never saw or care about. Who knows they might have been an evil planet that had slaves or something. Ben died. Once again i knew him for 5 mins in the movie why should i care he died.

 

Star wars OT was horribly written. If it was made today it would have been killed by critics.

 

The same critics that praised episode eight as the best SW movie, right? :lolxg:



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Posted 24 October 2018 - 06:28 PM

The same critics that praised episode eight as the best SW movie, right? :lolxg:

Like I said before Episode 8 had some great ideas to explore. They tried things and it didn't resonate with people. The first 3 movies were boring in my opinion.


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Posted 24 October 2018 - 08:13 PM

The more I think about 8 the more I dislike it but as for 7, I still stand by it being great
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Posted 25 October 2018 - 11:39 AM

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8 has zero replay value for me. There are no moments or action sequences I am gonna go back unlike the original and even the prequels had its moments.

 

7 is a soft reboot disguised as a sequel but at least its entertaining enough and tried to be like Star Wars film. However, I did not find any of the newcomers really likable or memorable. I think they say the reason why we did not see Luke more in TFA is because every time he appeared he would overshadow the new comers... Then make characters that are good who can actually stand toe to toe with the old ones like Kyle Katarn ! Lucas film should have not discarded completely the expanded universe which had a lot of great characters and stories.  I found Rey to be bland. Jana Solo should have been the new hero of this trilogy... 

 

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Posted 25 October 2018 - 12:26 PM

The more I think about 8 the more I dislike it but as for 7, I still stand by it being great


LOL, nothing great about 7. Boring uninspired rehash of parts of the previous films, but without any of the decent action scenes or battles that the other six films had.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 04:14 AM

I Love both Ep 8 and 7. Ep 8 has a Lot of memorable scenes for me @trafalgarlawisop

The throne room fight, The "Holdo Maneuver", Luke's Force Projection facing off against Kylo Ren, Luke's scene with Yoda's force ghost, Luke's death scene, Rey's training and Luke's teachings, eben The scenes of Rey and Kylo communicating through Uhr Force (and I don't ship them. )

And as for the new cast. I think they are great. I love the Main trio Rey, Finn and Poe and also Kylo. Very likeable and/or interesting characters for me.

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 09:53 PM

I Love both Ep 8 and 7. Ep 8 has a Lot of memorable scenes for me @trafalgarlawisop

The throne room fight, The "Holdo Maneuver", Luke's Force Projection facing off against Kylo Ren, Luke's scene with Yoda's force ghost, Luke's death scene, Rey's training and Luke's teachings, eben The scenes of Rey and Kylo communicating through Uhr Force (and I don't ship them. )

And as for the new cast. I think they are great. I love the Main trio Rey, Finn and Poe and also Kylo. Very likeable and/or interesting characters for me.

 

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The scenes are not actually bad by themselves and have the budget and spectacle... However, its the optimistic mindset of Star Wars that just is not there anymore with Luke being a pessimistic, disillusioned old man who gave up on his friends. Its like if  Captain america said "hail Hydra" all of a sudden for the sake of trying to subvert your expectation... We know how that turned out...

 

The new cast is meh. Their banters never really make me laugh and sound more awkward  especially during exposition scenes. In contrast, the scenes of Avengers 3 with Tony stark bantering with Strange, Hulk, the guardians, and Parker never fail to entertain me and make me smile.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 10:11 PM

@Raiden

 

 

The scenes are not actually bad by themselves and have the budget and spectacle... However, its the optimistic mindset of Star Wars that just is not there anymore with Luke being a pessimistic, disillusioned old man who gave up on his friends. Its like if  Captain america said "hail Hydra" all of a sudden for the sake of trying to subvert your expectation... We know how that turned out...

 

The new cast is meh. Their banters never really make me laugh and sound more awkward  especially during exposition scenes. In contrast, the scenes of Avengers 3 with Tony stark bantering with Strange, Hulk, the guardians, and Parker never fail to entertain me and make me smile.

It was because of years of disappointment.

 

He lost all of his Jedi and lost his nephew to the dark side. 


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:12 PM

I Love both Ep 8 and 7. Ep 8 has a Lot of memorable scenes for me @trafalgarlawisop

The throne room fight, The "Holdo Maneuver", Luke's Force Projection facing off against Kylo Ren, Luke's scene with Yoda's force ghost, Luke's death scene, Rey's training and Luke's teachings, eben The scenes of Rey and Kylo communicating through Uhr Force (and I don't ship them. )

And as for the new cast. I think they are great. I love the Main trio Rey, Finn and Poe and also Kylo. Very likeable and/or interesting characters for me.

 

Give me a list of all your favorite movies so i know what to never watch. :P

 

Seriously though, all the scenes you listed i really dislike, and i could probably rant for an hour on just one.

 

I did happen to watch a four hour critique of episode 8 by some youtuber where he points out all the flaws in the movie. it was by and far the best and most complete critique of episode 8 i have even seen.

 

I think episode 8 would have been a bit better if they just played a few hours of Kerbal Space Program. :lolxg:


 

It was because of years of disappointment.

 

He lost all of his Jedi and lost his nephew to the dark side. 

 

Mark Hamill disagrees.



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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:17 PM

Give me a list of all your favorite movies so i know what to never watch. :P

 

Seriously though, all the scenes you listed i really dislike, and i could probably rant for an hour on just one.

 

I did happen to watch a four hour critique of episode 8 by some youtuber where he points out all the flaws in the movie. it was by and far the best and most complete critique of episode 8 i have even seen.

 

I think episode 8 would have been a bit better if they just played a few hours of Kerbal Space Program. :lolxg:


 

 

Mark Hamill disagrees.

OK mark hamill can disagree but it makes a lot of sense. Luke never really failed at anything. So losing all of his disciples should change him. 


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:47 PM

OK mark hamill can disagree but it makes a lot of sense. Luke never really failed at anything. So losing all of his disciples should change him. 

 

@bold I'm almost am at a loss of words. Episode 4: Failed to protect his aunt and uncle so they died. Failed to save Ben, so he died. Episode 5: Got rekt by a wampa to only be saved by Han. Failed his training with Yoda to then get beaten be Vader. That's just some of the big ones.

 

There is not a sliver of a chance he would change like that. The Luke everyone knew, from the first three movies through all the expanded universe would only be more determined to save everyone, to a fault. He would never give up.


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 12:54 AM

@bold I'm almost am at a loss of words. Episode 4: Failed to protect his aunt and uncle so they died. Failed to save Ben, so he died. Episode 5: Got rekt by a wampa to only be saved by Han. Failed his training with Yoda to then get beaten be Vader. That's just some of the big ones.

 

There is not a sliver of a chance he would change like that. The Luke everyone knew, from the first three movies through all the expanded universe would only be more determined to save everyone, to a fault. He would never give up.

He didn't really fail on any of those matters. He has no way of saving his aunt and uncle. They were killed when he was nowhere near them. Ben, once again there was no way to save him. He saves himself from the wampa and han helps him after.

 

Luke fails Kylo Ren because he wasn't able to stop him from going to the dark side in which he was the cause. If he didn't go that night to kill Ren, Ren might not have turn evil. That was on him. Nothing you said before was his responsibility.


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 10:06 AM


Give me a list of all your favorite movies so i know what to never watch.

 

Seriously though, all the scenes you listed i really dislike, and i could probably rant for an hour on just one.

 

I did happen to watch a four hour critique of episode 8 by some youtuber where he points out all the flaws in the movie. it was by and far the best and most complete critique of episode 8 i have even seen.

 

I think episode 8 would have been a bit better if they just played a few hours of Kerbal Space Program.

 

That's a long list ^^

 

And I totally can accept that you hate the movie and or the scenes and to some agree even understand it, except for the throne room fight. What's there to hat with that scene? IT is the best fight scene in all of the SW movies and even the people I know who hate the movie liked that scene (though that scene a lone didn't save the movie for them).

 

And yeah no to everything else, just no ^^


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 03:22 PM

He didn't really fail on any of those matters. He has no way of saving his aunt and uncle. They were killed when he was nowhere near them. Ben, once again there was no way to save him. He saves himself from the wampa and han helps him after.

 

Luke fails Kylo Ren because he wasn't able to stop him from going to the dark side in which he was the cause. If he didn't go that night to kill Ren, Ren might not have turn evil. That was on him. Nothing you said before was his responsibility.

 

We will just have to disagree on what failure is or can be.

 

That's a long list ^^

 

And I totally can accept that you hate the movie and or the scenes and to some agree even understand it, except for the throne room fight. What's there to hat with that scene? IT is the best fight scene in all of the SW movies and even the people I know who hate the movie liked that scene (though that scene a lone didn't save the movie for them).

 

And yeah no to everything else, just no ^^

 

So the scene were an almost untrained person bests multiple elite guards, while those guards have multiple chances to kill her but for whatever reason don't, and the one who is a trained jedi/sith struggles against some of those same guards. And this is the best fight scene in SW, are you trolling me?  ;) 

 

They also had to edit out one of guards blades in his hand, otherwise Rey would have been stabbed in the back. It was laughable fight choreography.

 

There is a reason why Episode 8 is the least liked SW film made to date, relying on flashy but pointless scenes didn't save it from this fate. Funnily enough, after coming out of the theater i thought it was an 8/10 but this was based on all the "flashy pointless stuff", only after i watched it again and though about all the problems, did i realize how bad it truly is. I love SW and i wanted it to be great, but sadly, it's just not. :cry:



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Posted 31 October 2018 - 06:25 PM


So the scene were an almost untrained person bests multiple elite guards, while those guards have multiple chances to kill her but for whatever reason don't, and the one who is a trained jedi/sith struggles against some of those same guards. And this is the best fight scene in SW, are you trolling me?   

 

No I don't troll you. I just have a different opinion ;)  But this is pointless, so I leave it at that.


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Posted 01 November 2018 - 12:31 AM

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 07:49 PM

Ready for a prequel series to a prequel movie.

 

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 11:25 PM

An adaptation of Catalyst would've been better imo. :shrug:


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