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Posted 23 September 2018 - 09:23 PM

Yea that demon wit all the eyes look like he could be the real big bad

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Posted 24 September 2018 - 08:42 AM

My stance is like that of @YyAoMmIi Posting a link is the best indicator that others have started reading it, so opinionating is good to go.
I prefer to see what other people think first, since at times my extensive post might end up discouraging further participation.
Besides, I too was busy.
 
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Chapter 127
 
Nice to learn of the contents of Tamayo's latest letter. Still holding out for an actual visit though, would be nice.
 
One thing that had been bothering me for the longest time with Demon Nezuko is that she noticeably lacks the big sister aura that she had as a human, so I'm glad that's addressed somewhat. In particular, that it's not merely "cute little sister" for cuteness' sake.
 
We definitely know she has memories of her past (at least, relative to her family), so what would be the reason why her current personality is like that of an infant? (幼子 isn't merely "child", but "infant")
 
Crack idea: if we equate the loss of her big sister personality as a form of "lock" on her higher brain functions, could it be that it's supposed to help defend her mind from being overpowered by demonic impulses?
 
Whatever the case, I'm glad for the Kamado siblings.

 

The background on the bad guy was actually a little typical. I was hoping for some heart wrenching reason that he turned out the way he did. He’s jus another badguy that’s evil jus for evils sake. No real reason

Since I know a bit more of history, I got a bit more out of Muzan's backstory.

 
The Heian period of Japan runs from 794 to 1185. Given that his birth took place 1000+ years ago, that'd put it in the early-mid portion of the era.
 
At the time, although art, culture and religion flourished, more were poor and less were rich.
And given the depiction of Muzan's food, clothing and home, it's deducible that he was of aristocratic lineage. The kind that looks down on commoners too.
 
To put this into perspective, Muzan was a rich spoiled brat with a terrible temper who would've died before hitting 20 if not for a super lucky break, and proceeded to spend the next millennia being a terrible creature and boss towards his minions because of an epic fail. Does being rich and spoiled work as a reason for being evil?
 
(By the way, the Chinese fandom loves making fun of the fact that Muzan is like one of those awful and unreasonable CEO who rules over his employees with an iron fist)
 
Every once in a while, I like my villains to be simple. And I definitely expected nothing heart-wrenching out of Muzan's story.


Note on the villian, this also means Muzan doesn't have to be end game villian.
Could be other science monsters
Furthermore, I too am excited at the prospect of Muzan possibly not being the final boss.
 
Still, I had thought this was a centuries-old conflict and not a millennia-old one. Then again, I made that approximation based on the age of the Sun Swordsman's Katakuri (~300 years old).
Now I've gotten more curious on how the Breaths and the Nichiren Blades came about as a method to fight the Demons.
 
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Well then, the battles are supposed to become more heated from now on, huh?
 
Muzan had already shown an interest in capturing Nezuko back in the Red Light District arc, so a kidnapping arc was always a possibility. Looks like the game is really on.
 
A thought: now that Muzan has a definite prize in plain sight, he no longer has to stick with stealth. So how's this for an idea?
 
He can have legions of his demons attack different parts of some large prefecture (ie Tokyo) all at once, so numerous Demon Slayers have to be deployed, including the Pillars.
Tanjirou and Nezuko will definitely be out in the field then, and with less security, one of the remaining Upper Moons can capture her and bring her back to Muzan.
 
It's an idea for the narrative to keep lesser Demons relevant to the story really.
 
Crack idea aside, what really determines how events are going to develop is how the Demon Slayers will address Nezuko's changes, with joy or apprehension? Not worried about Oyakata-sama on this front though.

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Posted 24 September 2018 - 11:42 AM

A few things to note
* None of the demon Slayer abilities are actually Demon specific, rather inborn/trained abilities used to slay demons. Even Genya can be stated as Hawks from NnT of getting abilities of anything he eats.

* How exactly did Muzan know there is a demon Immune to Sunlight? Nezuko broke free of her connection to Muzan.
There was a story note of how he knows Tamayo broke free of his control, but not Nezuko.

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Posted 25 September 2018 - 07:46 AM

A few things to note
* None of the demon Slayer abilities are actually Demon specific, rather inborn/trained abilities used to slay demons. Even Genya can be stated as Hawks from NnT of getting abilities of anything he eats.

I know, but you still have to wonder how the tech came about, what with the 500-700 years gap in the timeline

 

* How exactly did Muzan know there is a demon Immune to Sunlight? Nezuko broke free of her connection to Muzan.
There was a story note of how he knows Tamayo broke free of his control, but not Nezuko.

Muzan's curse over his minions is that he can monitor their location, thoughts and possibly sight as well

Meaning, it's plausible that in Hantengu's dying moments, his eyes witnessed Nezuko surviving the sunlight, and this got transmitted back to Muzan


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Posted 25 September 2018 - 11:06 AM

I know, but you still have to wonder how the tech came about, what with the 500-700 years gap in the timeline


Considering it simple martial arts style, I wouldn't think too much. Afterall, breaking is a major points in all styles.
And you also have that Ninja guy.


Muzan's curse over his minions is that he can monitor their location, thoughts and possibly sight as well
Meaning, it's plausible that in Hantengu's dying moments, his eyes witnessed Nezuko surviving the sunlight, and this got transmitted back to Muzan

Didn't he die before sunlight?
But you are right, I forgot he can see through him

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 08:03 AM

Didn't he die before sunlight?
But you are right, I forgot he can see through him

After Tanjirou cut off the head of the Resentment demon, its head face in the direction of the Kamado siblings.

My headcanon is that it lasted long enough to witness Nezuko not dying from sunlight

 

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Something I'd like to point out about the Blue Spider Lily medicine

 

1. While it was noted that the medicine does actually use a blue-coloured spider lily, from a pure symbolism perspective, it could be interpreted into something interesting

 

Chinese and Japanese legends associate the spider lily with death. Some say the path to the afterlife is lined with spider lilies, while others say that the flowers are what will lead one onto the path of reincarnation.

 

Given that your usual spider lily is coloured red, a "blue" one may in fact serve an opposite symbolism: rather than leading one from life to death, it'll be the opposite direction instead.

In short, aside from pointing out the ingredient used in the medicine, perhaps the name in itself is an arrogant belief in that opposite symbolism of bringing those on death's door back to life

 

https://mangadex.org/chapter/452468/16

2. On the page, you can see how Gotouge-sensei has depicted the irregular blue-coloured spider lilies on the top panel, and the regular red-coloured spider lilies in the middle, using different colour tones

 

https://mangadex.org/chapter/48582/18

But in Tanjirou's memories in Ch 39, the tone of the spider lily we see here is neither shaded like that of the red or blue flowers.

So what could it be? The unrefined form of the blue-coloured spider lily? How would its properties differ?


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Posted 01 October 2018 - 06:33 AM

Chapter 128

https://mangadex.org/chapter/457398

 

So many lovely gag faces


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Posted 01 October 2018 - 02:58 PM

I really dislike the art of this series.

I forgot he keeping info of Tamayo hidden.

I wonder, how come demon slayers doesn't have anyone researching into Demons the way Tamayo has...
You would think they would send am official researcher on Tamayo.

Earlier I said all fighting skills are just normal, with nothing in common with a DS.
However, the whole resonance factor implies there is something super natural with the mark..

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Posted 02 October 2018 - 07:38 AM

I like this chapter. Any chapter that has Tanjirou interacting with the Kakushi, or featuring the 3 midget girls becomes instant fun.

It's nice to see Nezuko getting to interact with more people. Also, poor Zenitsu, Inosuke was one step ahead of him.

 

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I wonder, how come demon slayers doesn't have anyone researching into Demons the way Tamayo has...
You would think they would send am official researcher on Tamayo.
Given what we've seen of Shinobu, I'd say the Kochou clan does indeed do some research into the Demons, like with the Wisteria poison. Research that aren't as in depth as we would've liked, but still

 

Not many know about Tamayo, and she likewise prefers to stay hidden from Demons and Slayers alike. We also know that Oyakata-sama definitely knows about Tamayo, and is also keeping her existence a secret from almost everyone, including at least most of the Pillars.

 

Earlier I said all fighting skills are just normal, with nothing in common with a DS.
However, the whole resonance factor implies there is something super natural with the mark..
Given the scientific undertone of the series, when I first got to this part, I instantly tried to figure if there's something scientific about the "resonance" that Amane-san mentioned.

And my idea was this: this "resonance" of other swordsmen getting Marks once somebody nearby has one, it sounds like a virus.

 

We already confirmed that Demonification is less mythical and more biological, so what if the Marks are also something of a more biological nature? Like, only really skilled Breath users can catch it, and that it is possible for it to be spread?

Furthermore, for all the talk about how they resemble Demon Crests, what if their origin is in fact like a demon virus of sorts? Just that the First Swordsmen have built some kind of immunity to them and instead strengthens them? But will eventually claim them?

 

The question though is the "progenitor". What about Tanjirou was it that led to their appearance again?

Or, what if Nezuko was in fact the one who first "contracted" it and spread it to her brother? Her Wisteria-patterned vine marks still bother me.

 

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At any rate, I'm glad to get some explanation on the Marks, and that they aren't necessarily a bloodline inheritance thing. After all, Gotouge-sensei had already all but confirmed that Tanjirou isn't a blood descendant of the Breath of the Sun swordsman (-men?); and if that had actually been the case, then not alone would it have discounted all the hard work that Tanjirou had gone through, it would have been exceedingly lame for my tastes.


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Posted 02 October 2018 - 01:12 PM

Note, I made a typo earlier.
When I said "You would think they would send am official researcher on Tamayo", Tamayo--> Nezuko

Also doesn't seem like breath of Sun have a relationship to who get the demon marks?

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 07:00 AM

Chapter 129

https://mangadex.org/chapter/459810


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Posted 15 October 2018 - 06:13 AM

Chapter 130

https://mangadex.org/chapter/464092


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Posted 16 October 2018 - 06:58 PM

Now we know who is next to get the mark.
Quite impressive to be pillar level but have this much self doubt.

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 07:30 AM

Chapters 129 and 130
 
So nice to see Zenitsu, Inosuke and Genya. I liked how Zenitsu Chopper-like reaction to the praise.
Can't wait to see everyone at the Pillar Training. Oh, and nice to see Tengen and his wives again.
 
And wow, Zenitsu's teeth and Tanjirou's own crow can inflict damage past his iron forehead. That's amazing
 
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Even with the biology undertone of the story, I didn't expect the trigger for the Marks to be something so specific
It's been noted that a body temperature of 39+ degrees and a heart rate of 200+ bpm is at life threatening levels in real science. Yep, there will be definite drawbacks from this power up.
 
While that's the "trigger", I still think that the Marks themselves are some sort of virus-like existence.
 
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And so the eponymous Kimetsu no Yaiba, the Blade of Demon Destruction/Extermination is here. Back when Haganezuka first mentioned that the Blade only had one character marked on it, I did wonder if it was "Metsu" (滅) for "Destroy/Exterminate", but it felt too easy a guess.
While I'm at it, my opinion on the title of this series is that it still isn't appealing at all. Even in Japanese, I don't believe that a manga titled "the Blade of Demon Extermination" particularly stands out.
 
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Back in Volume 5 or 6, Crocodile-sensei notes that Shinobu thinks Tomioka is an airhead, which was why she had to keep an eye on him. That turned out to be surprisingly true.
 
For all his trauma/survivor's guilt/inferiority complex, he really isn't aware of how his words to the other Pillars are coming across to him. Compounded with is stoic demeanour and skills, his words really do make it easy for others to hate him. It's actually pretty amusing, from a fictional point of view.
 
On a more serious note, between Tomioka's Haori robe, sword guard and him being one of Urokodaki's disciples, the Japanese had speculated that he knew Sabito (and Makomo). Interesting to see that this being brought up now, as well as that Tanjirou actually took the same approach to the Final Selection as Sahito did.
 
Well then, time to see how Tanjirou manages to convince Tomioka that he has definite skills and fully deserves to be among the Demon Slayers. He completely dominated a Lower Moon, for crying out loud.
 
Also, I hope this will be a good time to bring up Tanjirou's (and Nezuko's) apparent abilities to see the dead, and for what reason Tomioka had lurked about the Kamado mountain on that day of tragedy.

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 11:33 PM

Cool
https://mangadex.org/chapter/468541

They do have researchers on her.

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 07:49 AM

Chapter 131
 
First, an explanation for how Tanjirou snapped Tomioka out of his funk, since the translation wasn't so good here.
 
The key were two verbs Tanjirou included in his sentence: 託する (takusuru; for "entrust") and 繋ぐ (tsunagu; this one is tricky, "connect/fasten/preserve (without being severed)/keep (something entrusted) going)
 
What Tanjirou said to him was more along the lines of "Giyuu-san ... What(ever) Sabito had entrusted to you ... are you not going to keep it going?"
 
託する and 繋ぐ were then repeated at the end of Sabito's monologue: "You absolutely musn't die. The life that your sister (staked her own life to) preserved, and the future that she entrusted to you ... you have to keep them going, Giyuu."
 
(Note that both "preserve" and "keep going" here had incorporated 繋ぐ Honestly, its metaphorical usages are irritating translation-wise, yet "keep going" isn't exactly the prettiest choice. Maybe "continue/follow through/keep alive"?)
 
Long story short, it still doesn't change the fact that Tanjirou lucked out with finding the right thing to say to Tomioka, but I hope this clarifies things.
 
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Anyway, I feel that the Sabito flashback was more to show that Tomioka lacked self-esteem even before his death, and someone always has to keep an eye on him.
The way that Tanjirou is both considerate and adorkable just makes him great.
 
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The crow at the end of the chapter is indeed Oyakata-sama's, first appeared in Chapter 8.
 
Back when he acknowledged Tamayo's existence before Tanjirou in his first appearance, I had took it as a sign that the two were in contact. I didn't think it was a one-sided deal.
 
Also, while the idea of Tamayo and Shinobu working together was something that was floated in the fandom, now that I think about it in practice, that's going to be hard, what with Shinobu's grudge.
 
Despite the transition in the chapter, the popular belief is still that Douma (Upper Moon 2) is responsible for Kanae's death, not Tamayo.
Besides, if Tamayo was responsible for the death of a Pillar, I very much doubt Oyakata would even consider procuring her help.
 
Even though Muzan cannot track Tamayo and Yuushirou, them actually going to the Demon Slayers HQ feels like a bad idea. If the Demons don't tail and kill her, the Slayers might still not accept her presence.

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 04:16 PM

Even though Muzan cannot track Tamayo and Yuushirou, them actually going to the Demon Slayers HQ feels like a bad idea. If the Demons don't tail and kill her, the Slayers might still not accept her presence.

The key issue crow should have brought up is Tanjirou, whom both party trust.

Not to mention half of the pillars (and some former) pretty much accepted Tanjirou's sister.

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Posted 01 November 2018 - 07:46 AM

Chapter 132

https://mangadex.org/chapter/473432

 

I know I'm getting repetitive here, but I just love Tanjirou. He's such a delight to follow


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Posted 12 November 2018 - 12:05 PM

Issue with training when one is stuck is typically lack of explaining of the tricks

https://mangadex.org/chapter/482006

That demon at the end, that the Biwa women that control the house in the first place right? So she now has a number?

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 04:34 AM

Issue with training when one is stuck is typically lack of explaining of the tricks

https://mangadex.org/chapter/482006

That demon at the end, that the Biwa women that control the house in the first place right? So she now has a number?

Sadly, ambiguity seems to be a thing whenever we see these sorts of training

 

https://mangadex.org/chapter/482006/13

It's somewhat worth noting that in the raws here, Murata wasn't just talking about why there're so few Pillars. He was specifically talking about why most of them don't have any Successors (ie like the way that Shinobu has Kanao). The reasoning remains the same though.

 

Nice to see Genya here with us.

Kanao isn't with Wind or Rock, so either she's passed their training, or she opted to stick close to Shinobu for something, or both

And Tanjirou can cook. How can he possibly get better than this?

 

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Yes, that Biwa-onna, Nakime, is the one who controls the Infinity Fortress for Muzan

 

Yes, 肆 denotes Four in Japanese Formal Numbers, the same character that was on Hantengu's eye

https://en.wikipedia...#Formal_numbers

 

Thing is, we don't know when Muzan assigned a number on her eye. Since the Lower Moon meeting, Upper Moon meeting, or just recently?

And since she only has one main eye, we don't know she's Four of what exactly. Recently promoted to Upper Moon Four, or some other separate class beyond the Twelve Demon Moons?

 

Muzan may have said that she's been getting stronger at a fast pace, but that still isn't enough to approximate things

 

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Yeah, this confirms that Muzan will either go for a large-scale divide and conquer approach, or supplement it further by using it as a diversion while he mounts squads to go after the Ubayashiki Estate and/or the Butterfly Estate (where Nezuko and possibly Tamayo will be), as predicted above


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