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#141 gamria

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:10 AM

Charce wants Seira's memories copied into Aries. That's still possible, since Seira's officially "dead" and not in the database. They offered him a deal, showed him how to pilot an Ark (which has cryo-freeze facilities for two) and disabled her suit thrusters to leave her helpless. But something went wrong (or right).

Maybe he was double-crossed, or maybe he waited too long and lost control of the situation. But his new friends all know they're clones now and won't permit him to use Aries that way, so they've got to go.

He's not enjoying this. Look at the knife-twisting look he wears when Arie tells him "I still trust you".

If they're smart, they'll put Charce in cryo-freeze.

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If they were smart... They'd have been using cryo-freeze all along. Less mouths to feed, less water needed, longer space-hops.

With all due respect, I must discount your reasoning on 3 basis:
 
1. During the first assassination on Planet McPa, Charce intended for Aries to be sucked into the Sphere as well. He wouldn't have done that in the first place if he intended to keep her alive for a memory transfer.
2. It was pure coincidence that the Sphere dropped them outside the Astra/Ark 12, so Charce learning how to pilot an Ark for the plan makes no sense.
3. Based on Kanata's deduction, Charce waited until Planet #5 before resuming his assassination because he didn't know how to pilot a spaceship. He needed to learn it by seeing Zack in action.

 

Wasn't cryo-freeze broken in the original ship? Astra was slightly damaged being just outside Earth

The Astra does have one functioning Cold Sleep Pod, as Zack had told to Quitterie.

 

But using it simply so that there's "less mouths to feed" is a terrible idea. The crew needed all hands on deck in order to make it through everything the universe throws at them.


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 01:58 PM

I don't think it was coincidence, Charce had to have known the Astra was there. Whatever plan he had for preventing everyone else from following didn't work.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 05:05 AM

I don't think it was coincidence, Charce had to have known the Astra was there. Whatever plan he had for preventing everyone else from following didn't work.

Chapter 42 confirmed that it was coincidence, and that Charce had fully intended to die during the assassination

 

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 07:11 PM

I don't entirely believe Charce's confession.  He agreed with their deductions a bit too easily, and never explained his motives.  I don't think he's lying exactly, but he's also left a whole lot unsaid.

 

I think it must be tangled with Aries somehow unless his friend's resemblance is a red herring.


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Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:42 AM

Chapter 43

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:55 AM

Chapter 43

 

I don't know how I feel about Charce with this chapter, so I'll just talk about everything else that's intriguing.
 
Tricked by Clever Narrative Techniques (again)
At first I was ticked that half of the Chapter 26 flashback was full of lies. But then, I read some Japanese comments about it that pointed out something rather interesting: unlike every other flashback scene in the manga that used gray borders for the panels, the majority of the Ch 26 flashback used black borders.
 
That is, in that very chapter, Shinohara-sensei had secretly highlighted in plain sight that most of the flashback was a lie, even as Charce was regaling the story. Well played, could it be that Shinohara, in anticipation of this fake flashback, opted to use gray borders instead of black backgrounds as indications of flashbacks?
 
Still, the gray border panels in that flashback mostly involve Seira, those should be the ones that prove more credible, and higher chance of having actually occurred.
 
Speculation on Purpose
When Chapter 26 first came out, I commented that the Seira in Charce's photo at the end was awake, had different hair colour and looked older than in his flashback. I was right that he was hiding something.
 
Given Aries' age, Aries had to have been born at the same time frame as all the other kids in Group B5 (excluding Funicia), and certainly not at the same time as Seira's own birth.
 
Though Seira is older than Charce, for what purpose was a clone of her created?
"A new younger body" wouldn't make sense, given her age.
"New body to circumvent vegetation" wouldn't make sense either, as based on the flashback this chapter, she was still awake years after Charce and Aries were born.
 
Aside from possibly "provision of spare organs" like with Funicia's case, I can't think of anything else.
 
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Other questions include:
1. Did Seira herself wanted a clone, or did someone else make that decision for her? 2. How aware was Seira herself of Aries' existence?
3. Why was Aries sent away to be brought up by Ema Spring in the Rosapop Sector (home was listed in Volume 1), and was Seira responsible for the matter?
 
At the very least, Vixia must've been responsible for Aries' transfer to the Mousanish Sector.
 
Reasons for Retrieval
This chapter explains a lot of things, among which was Charce's reason for summoning the Sphere on Vilavurs.
 
So at first, Charce was indeed willing to kill Aries on McPa as well, dismissing the resemblance to his sister figure as coincidence.
But after verifying that she's a clone of Seira on Vilavurs, he changed plans and decided to bring her back to Planet Astra with him.
 
His reasons could range from any of those listed in the above section, plus possible distaste at bringing any more harm to his sister figure's clone.
 
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One other neat thing that was pointed out on 2ch: so there was a reason why Aries and Charce laughed in the same way in Ship Log 9. They're genetically related.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:33 AM

Interesting!  I hadn't expected Aries would have a royal connection, though it fits my guesses and explains some bits I couldn't.  Aries' suit malfunctions must have been a coincidence or red herring, then.
 

Though Seira is older than Charce, for what purpose was a clone of her created?
"A new younger body" wouldn't make sense, given her age.
"New body to circumvent vegetation" wouldn't make sense either, as based on the flashback this chapter, she was still awake years after Charce and Aries were born.
 
Aside from possibly "provision of spare organs" like with Funicia's case, I can't think of anything else.

What if Charce's story wasn't entirely fabrication? Perhaps through some stupid accident, the princess was knocked into a permanent coma.

Can you copy memories from someone in a coma? Maybe. A clone could effectively resurrect his sister.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:51 PM

What if Charce's story wasn't entirely fabrication? Perhaps through some stupid accident, the princess was knocked into a permanent coma.

Can you copy memories from someone in a coma? Maybe. A clone could effectively resurrect his sister.

Like I said, when Aries was born, Seira was still awake. Thus, the logic that "Aries was created to resurrect Seira" is invalid.

While it's possible that Seira is currently in a coma, and Charce might be bringing Aries back to wake her up, why Aries was created in the first place is a whole other unknown reason.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 05:04 PM

You're right of course, excuse me. Aries' upbringing is one of the biggest mysteries remaining. It ought to be complicated and strange but as far as she knows she's ordinary.




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