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#1181 captain kidd

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 07:56 AM

Guys I wan't to bring back two topics back to life. Balance and shichibukais.


1st. Balance
I know I have brought this topic countless times on how the WG vows for balance and they want to keep the power distributed among all parties. I have been "wrong" on many occasions like my take on luffy being the fifth yonko was a the announcement of a challenger not the actual title. Regardless of that on the last chapter the gorosei says that it has been hard to maintain the balance and there is some need of a cleansing. I don't doubt they can do that as their notion of balance is them owning 70% of the world power. They can wipe a yonko crew if they put their heart to it. Getting back into topic, I want to ask you on WHY they went with this "balance" methodology on the first case. They kind of put themselves with the back against the wall because even though they can wipe all the other parties and organisations there will always be the fear of their enemies allying themselves just to fight back.


2nd. shichibukais
There are 3 types of shichibukai. The ones that have a goal to become PK and are growing in the shadows (croco, moria and doffy), the ones that are working out of convenience(jimbe and boa do it for their homelands), the ones with an accomplished goal(mihawk, this is a guess).
I will not talk about BB, weevil, kuma, buggy or law as I want to focus on the original 7.
I just want to analyse who do you think makes the best type of shichibukai. We know the WG wants people unbeatable that can take scrubs from them and be called to action in case of war or battle. Prestige is something of interest and all of the original 7 seem to be recognised anywhere.
Guys like boa and jimbe clearly despise the WG and only do it for their homelands. They seem to be reliable as at the end of the day their homeland can be used as leverage in blackmail type of way. Regardless they are bound and are less likely to step out of line because of their loved ones. I suppose I can guess that Kuma is in the same situation as jimbe and boa.
Guys like doffy, croco and moria are the worse in my eyes. The WG clearly knows what they are and what they want but accepts them. I suppose the WG think themselves as smarter than low lives pirates but doffy was ruining their precious balance with his underground business while ruling one of the biggest countries of the world and croco was on the same path as him. Why would the WG go with guys like this is behind my comprehension.
The last one is mihawk whom I believe his first goal was to be the very best swordsman in the world and he did accomplished such feat. Now he has a title, feats and he doesn't have anything else on his mind other than to follow orders. (I know this is based on the guess that being the best swordsman was his main goal but.. just go with it.)
Out of this 3 types of shichibukaiI have to say that mihawk is the best type of all unfortunately I suppose its hard to find accomplished pirates willing to join the WG.
So the best option will always be the ones bound to something like boa and jimbe as they will do anything as long as their homeland is safe. The WG should be gathering pirates like this.
and one more time the type of doffy and croco are the worst as they will do unthinkable things in the shadows and as soon as they see their chance, they will throw the WG under the bus. I believe BB and Law were the same as doffy and croco.
What you think?


Balance first then i will later post my opinions on warlords.

I can agree balance makes no sense at all with the capabilities of OP admirals. But if i give the op world a little break, and assume they have other things to do besides sail around killing pirates nonstop. If we apply a real world standard to the OP world, then their "balance" is genius.
Think about it, the vast majority of the world is mostly peaceful, all the powerful pirates are drawn down a narrow path that leads to a very small section of the world. In fact this situation is so perfect it is almost possibe roger himself is a wg agent (lol not really, but a few things would add up better).

Also, the wg has nothing to fear. As i have said before even if all emperor fleets teamed up to take on the wg it still would be a tough fight with no clear winner. BUT even if you dont believe me there, it isnt logical for pirates who all want to be the PK to team up. No one would trust eachother, bm would be waiting for any second during the war to kill kiadou or shanks, bb would defintally try to take out a few of his competers, and if all the emperors have to worry about attacks from their own allies they cant really fight all out. I mean... look at wb, durint the mf war he got attacked by an ally and he trats all his allies like sons..... if wb can be attacked by an ally forget enemy pirate crews teaming up...


So in the real world this set up is genius, maybe even beyond genius. Imagine a world where all criminals drive to newyork and live there. It would be perfect.

But on the other hand..... the wg has guys who can fly and move at light speed..... screw real world standards just kill all pirates as they show up.
 
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Posted 25 June 2018 - 09:49 AM

I can't wait to see Aokiji fucks over BB, then returns to Marines as Akainu's double agent. Then we have a line-up of 5 fucking Admirals (well, Akainu is Fleet Admiral now), and team Oldmen: Garp, Sengoku and Kong. Only Ryokugyu and Kong have not demonstrated their abilities but if they are in the same league as they should be...well, good bye Emperors. Only Luffy with power of main characters can save you guys (that's Oda's plan most likely anw). There is also still CP-0's leader and the question whether the Gorosei can fight.


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Posted 25 June 2018 - 02:25 PM

I can't wait to see Aokiji fucks over BB, then returns to Marines as Akainu's double agent. Then we have a line-up of 5 fucking Admirals (well, Akainu is Fleet Admiral now), and team Oldmen: Garp, Sengoku and Kong. Only Ryokugyu and Kong have not demonstrated their abilities but if they are in the same league as they should be...well, good bye Emperors. Only Luffy with power of main characters can save you guys (that's Oda's plan most likely anw). There is also still CP-0's leader and the question whether the Gorosei can fight.


Thats still my theory, well kinda my thoery.

Aokiji joining BB makes no sense. And that is on top of the fact aokiji leaving the marines already made zero sense.

Listen we are humans we can all relate to "a guy i dont like is runing this company, on well i will quit" but aokiji isnt a normal human, he is a soldier(marine). And soldiers arent going to quit because they have a bad or immoral leader, they stick with their men and lead them the best they can protecting them from the higher ups nonsense.
And lets talk about why someone even joins the marines in the first place. It isnt a pirate crew, he isnt the "strongest warrior" of some crap small island, joining the marines is a higher calling, to protect the seas and the innocnets of it.
So we have "higher calling" the all important military value of "loyalty", what about a normal human value? It is all aokiji ever knew. A normal person isnt going to work a single job for 40 years, get really good at that job, then leave that job out of no where. He wouldnt know what else to do with himself, he wouldnt know where to go.

None of that isnt to say people cant do those things. Soldiers can realize the army isnt the calling for them, soldiers cab betray their fellow soldiers or even their country, and soldiers can go on to cool careers after 40 years in.

BUT a god damn admiral?!?! Even if we put aside the military's own method of indoctrination, aokiji has killed his friends for the marines, he has been nothing but a loyal soldier for many years.... and out of no where he leaves? Fuji and greenbull i could see up abd leaving, but an admiral who fought his way up like that?



And even if you ignore aokiji's defection being insane. He ended up with WHO?!? Aokiji, the man who froze the ocean to let an oldman travel across it to meet his family, that aokiji joined up with BB?!? Not shanks? Not dragon? Aokiji didnt just go home and pull a garp, retire making his home land one of the safest places ever? He didnt just go out on his own?
He doesnt need the protection it would take an emperor and a few commanders to bring him down safely. (Probably a whole emperor crew to stop him from just walking away)
There is only one reason aokiji joins up with BB. Because bb is the pirate who is going to make the greatest waves.(aside from luffy) BB rose to power the fastest (took what 6 months? To become an emperor from random crew member) he has 2 df and is the most bold, bm and kiadou had power but never went anywhere with it. If i were a betting man, and luffy were not the MC, i would place my money on BB becoming the pk.

So all thats left is why? Why does aokiji want to be with the pirate most likely to be PK. 3 possible answers.

1- he wants to watch. It is a rather curious thing, what is on rafatel, if the wg knows, did they tell aokiji the truth?

2- to stop akainu. First off this could just be petty kids shit "i cant be fleet admiral so i will help the pirates make you look stupid!!!!" 2ndly it could be some major plot point. Imagine this - both akainu and aokiji were high enough in rank that they got to learn about the governments real super weapon. An anicent virus the one that killed roger(and many more), kept locked away in a freezer(because frozen bactria still live), the only antidote for it is located on rafatel (an island untouched except by a few, without human contact the virus evolved and became a strand now unreconizable that no modern human is immune to) . Akainu said he wants to use it, aokiji knows the only way he can stop akainu is by making it to rafatel getting the virus and making a vaccine.
Hahahahahah imagine stealing focuse that much from the main character
Luffy "i made it here, i am now the PK! good work crew!!"
Nami "where to next....pirate king!"
Luffy "where ever we want!!!!"
Aokiji "move you of the way!!!!!! Oh thabk god.....thank god it is still here, vp can tou hear me? I have the original strand of the virus how soon can you make the vaccine? Two days? That should be quick enough to stop the spread in the east blue.....we did it. We saved THE WHOLE WORLD"
Luffy "excuse me.... you did what?"
Aokiji "stopped the elder stars from clensing the world like they did in the void century killing off 80% of all life"
Luffy "oh..... well i became PK"
Zoro "and i beat mihawk...."
Aokiji "wow....thats cool, if you excuse me i just saved all life on the world"
Usopp "are we.....the bad..."
Luffy "shut up usopp"
Haha now that is a twist, throw out dragon is cp0, this is my new favorite OP twist. It has zero evidence to support it aside from commonsense implications, but still what a crazy ride that would be.


3rd is to betray BB to ensure there is no PK. This is my favorite of all the options. The only reason i dont think this is real is because of my negative additude towards op over these years. What i want to happen and what i predict will happen, usually are not the same thing. The only time in recent memory my hopes and predictions matched was BM getting defeated..... yep.... its not that i am taking some crapy "woe is me" stance thinking i can never get what i want in op. But trying to interpertate a different culture's often mistranslated intentions.... it is difficult.... what oda views as cool is very different from what us Americans like, for example ninja, most japanese love ninja, where over here a lot of us think they are lame and spies are much cooler (spies get high tech gadgets ninjw dont, come at me) so when i am thinking "dragon being an under cover good guy" is an awesome plot point, oda is thinking "good guy secretly being evil? How dishonorable!" So that is my defense, why i dont think aokiji is evil.





Finaly thoughts, hopefully is is more then 1. Hopefully aokiji didnt join bb just because he wants to see what its like on the other side. That was the exact reason given for drake's betrayal. Wouldnt be a good look on an admiral. Highly doubt it would be 2, i dont want to think aokiji is so petty he wants akainu to fail and my out there theory based on zero evidence is..... well.... i was laughing as i was typing it so... lets hope it is wrong.

Maybe i am putting too much thought into this, maybe aokiji will just say "he was the first one that offered me a place to sleep"
 
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Posted 25 June 2018 - 11:09 PM

I'm kinda curious about tidbits like Marines officers' salary. As Admiral Aokiji should have some decent money. Maybe he went to casino, got broke and so BB offered him real money deal.


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Posted 26 June 2018 - 05:43 AM

I can agree balance makes no sense at all with the capabilities of OP admirals. But if i give the op world a little break, and assume they have other things to do besides sail around killing pirates nonstop. If we apply a real world standard to the OP world, then their "balance" is genius.
Think about it, the vast majority of the world is mostly peaceful, all the powerful pirates are drawn down a narrow path that leads to a very small section of the world. In fact this situation is so perfect it is almost possibe roger himself is a wg agent (lol not really, but a few things would add up better).

If the balance is something it has been going on since the void century, then fair play to them for maintaining until roger showed up.
and If balance is something they started doing some 40 years ago then thats just putting their backs against the wall.
I didn't have a problem with balance until I noticed that the WG are the ones trying the hardest to maintain it. The way they talk about it leads me to believe that they were to ones to establish it. Roger proved that pirates can still sail their way to raftel even with this balance system the WG VALUES so much. Thank god the are going for a cleansing now. about time they learned.
You say it's a genius move since the pirates gather in a single area but its that same area where they can find the secret of the world, devil fruits, they can awaken ancient weapons and can reach raftel. It would be a genius move if the pirate area was in east blue.


Also, the wg has nothing to fear. As i have said before even if all emperor fleets teamed up to take on the wg it still would be a tough fight with no clear winner. BUT even if you dont believe me there, it isnt logical for pirates who all want to be the PK to team up. No one would trust eachother, bm would be waiting for any second during the war to kill kiadou or shanks, bb would defintally try to take out a few of his competers, and if all the emperors have to worry about attacks from their own allies they cant really fight all out. I mean... look at wb, durint the mf war he got attacked by an ally and he trats all his allies like sons..... if wb can be attacked by an ally forget enemy pirate crews teaming up...

The whole kaido BM phone call proves this.
You don't know if BM is going to wano or not.
If she goes you don't know if kaido will ally with her or attack her.
They can't even have a conversation let alone depend on each other.


the wg has guys who can fly and move at light speed..... screw real world standards just kill all pirates as they show up.

They have fuji the naval battle god. The only person able to nullify(not defeat) fuji is shiki.




I can't wait to see Aokiji fucks over BB, then returns to Marines as Akainu's double agent. Then we have a line-up of 5 fucking Admirals (well, Akainu is Fleet Admiral now), and team Oldmen: Garp, Sengoku and Kong.

I also believe aokigi is working with akainu.
"haki flourishes in battle" ; Did aokogi and akainu get stronger, did the also get that dbz zenkai burst.

Edited by Abaroxa, 26 June 2018 - 05:44 AM.


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Posted 26 June 2018 - 11:22 AM

I'm kinda curious about tidbits like Marines officers' salary. As Admiral Aokiji should have some decent money. Maybe he went to casino, got broke and so BB offered him real money deal.


If that is the case aokiji could of just takeb down a big bounty. He could easily kill jack.

Jack "gurrr i am a big tank who takes a lot of hits but wont ever go down"
Aokiji "oh....wow..... this wont take long"
 

If the balance is something it has been going on since the void century, then fair play to them for maintaining until roger showed up.
and If balance is something they started doing some 40 years ago then thats just putting their backs against the wall.
I didn't have a problem with balance until I noticed that the WG are the ones trying the hardest to maintain it. The way they talk about it leads me to believe that they were to ones to establish it. Roger proved that pirates can still sail their way to raftel even with this balance system the WG VALUES so much. Thank god the are going for a cleansing now. about time they learned.
You say it's a genius move since the pirates gather in a single area but its that same area where they can find the secret of the world, devil fruits, they can awaken ancient weapons and can reach raftel. It would be a genius move if the pirate area was in east blue.


The whole kaido BM phone call proves this.
You don't know if BM is going to wano or not.
If she goes you don't know if kaido will ally with her or attack her.
They can't even have a conversation let alone depend on each other.


They have fuji the naval battle god. The only person able to nullify(not defeat) fuji is shiki.




I also believe aokigi is working with akainu.
"haki flourishes in battle" ; Did aokogi and akainu get stronger, did the also get that dbz zenkai burst.


Well lets be real..... the pirates dont care about world secrets. Roger was the only pirate we ever knew of to bring an archologiest, there are so few pirate crews willing to bring them, that the people of ohara had to mount their own expiditions.
I get the counter arguement to that is "hey moron would you rather be on a pirate ship or your own ship"
Ya....but if reading the stones was really a sought after skill pirates are dying for then they would never harm the scholars. Hell if the scholars were smart they would just charge a fee for pirates to bring them copies of the stones and read them in the safety of their island while collecting all the rubbings.

Wow that was long winded, ok what i am saying is pirates dont care. Few pirates even know about the road phonygliphs and even fewer care about the void century.

Oh not to mention not all stones are in the nw, some are in the gl where the weak pirates are, some are lost and few know where they are.

2ndly df have been found everywhere. enel got one of the best df in OP living on a cloud island.

3rd anicent weapons? Dude that is a non factor. Pluton is in alabasta with a w7 shipwrite having the blueprints. Sashori is in fi between the nw and gl. Lord knows where posiden is but i will assume it is in the nw. So 2/3 anicent weapons arent even in the sea where all the pirates congragate. And as i have said before, the pirates dont seem to want to destroy the world, even if they did no one has taken any steps to get anicent weapons except crocodile and it lead him to leave the nw.
 
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Posted 27 June 2018 - 05:08 AM


If that is the case aokiji could of just takeb down a big bounty. He could easily kill jack.

Jack "gurrr i am a big tank who takes a lot of hits but wont ever go down"
Aokiji "oh....wow..... this wont take long"

Actually I have said that for as long as I can remember: that if I had Yonkiral power level (or even just Top Commander level) and live in One Piece world I'd make a living by catching 100mil rookies. Why associate yourself with anyone and be controlled or hindered instead of living free and rich? But so far there's not one single great bounty hunter (not sure what Fujitora did prior to getting drafted) and even someone who likes pretty girls like Ryokugyu picked Marines instead of getting laid somewhere (unless he likes some chicks in Marines like Hina. Poor Smoker LOL). It's like Oda forbids easy life.

 

So it seems you have to work with someone or start a fucking crew and Aokiji is too lazy for the latter, I guess.


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 07:22 AM

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 02:46 AM

Marco's role on ship is doctor? And he's a Zoan. Chopper's EoS role model foreshadowed :devastated:

Thatch is a chef so...Sanji will die to mimic him :whistle:

 

Seriously though, his flame works on others, too? Oda should have fused him and Manshelly to make a more useful character.


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Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:17 AM


Seriously though, his flame works on others, too?
I wonder why he did not use it on WB right after Squardos stabbing? There seems to be a sideeffect but it should still be better than having an open stab wound through the spine....

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:37 AM

Better question: why didnt he sit on WB shoulder the whole war.

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:25 AM

It's been explained this chapter. His flame is far more effective on himself than it is on other people. He seems to be able to do minor stuff with it on other beings.



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:26 AM

@capu @Enbima Because Oda's retcon, that's why LOL

 

Or like Jozu who decided to save Ace by...throwing a giant iceberg at him, Marco is also an idiot.


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 05:14 PM

Is Im worded in original as man or woman?



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Posted 30 June 2018 - 06:41 PM

Better question: why didnt he sit on WB shoulder the whole war.


This is the wb pirate crew.... they wasted the element of surprise by jumping directly in front of the marines and attacking head on.

The kids on the short bus laugh at them. They make the bm crew look competent.
 
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Posted 09 July 2018 - 05:37 PM

After seeing these Kois in the chapter and reading about the Koi becoming a dragon by swimming upstream mythology, I guess its possible to say that Kaidou is not a df user but a half human half fishman(koi) and that he managed to become a dragon?

The tattoo on his left arm is not supposed to be dragons scales, but scales from a Koi. The color is a hint for that.

 

And here I was wondering why he doesnt jump into the sea to kill himself...Now I found the answer.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 03:09 AM

That either is simply a special trait of one type of fishmen or adds a whole new convoluted twist to races in One Piece. Given that dragons did exist in OP verse (well, we only saw an artificial one on Punk Hazard but still) this theory can be interesting, symbolism and mythology aside (miss Kubo and his Ukitake). There is also that line ''human is just no-fur Minks''. There could be some really deep-lying connection between species.
 

On another note it may just be Kaidou ate the mythical beast Zoan type Poke Poke (Pokemon) no Mi model Gyarados LOL

 

Or maybe One Piece is actually Fairy Tail's prequel. Kaidou is the first to evolve into and starts the dragon race hahaha


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 06:08 AM

We never saw a fishman from a sweetwater type right?


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 03:21 PM

From Sandman.

Thank you, redon!!

There have been 18 chapter titles that contain the word "Adventure*", but this is the first time Oda used "Great Adventure" as a title. It sounds like Wano will be the longest arc in ONE PIECE.

*Chapter 133, 162, 245, 304, 324, 442, 444, 497, 515, 526, 606, 609, 656, 701, 711, 804, 831, 911

 

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 03:32 PM

We never saw a fishman from a sweetwater type right?

 

Gyaro and Tansui are based on freshwater fish:

http://mangaseeonlin...92-page-13.html


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