kidd was the only supernova that had a a whole island as a base. He wasn't hiding in a village, or a big town/ city/ kingdom / island ruled by someone else.
Which means nothing if the island is either abandoned or inhabited by fodder.
He had proper members doing scouting on other pirates.
What r u refering to? That he was able to read the newspapers?
He was keeping track of the underworld(just in case).
Well pretty much everyone who aint a SH did so. Law definately did, (Hawkins?) Urouge knew about the Shs even back in SA.
He was pirating old school style.
That i agree with, although it says nothing about his powerlvl.
Yeah, he didn't defeat any commander lvl character but his doing it old school without having to submit himself to be a yonko b#tch like the rest of the supernovas.
So far only 2 out of 11 really submitted. Hawkins and Apoo. Drake did it in order to actually keep track of Kaidou/overcome Kaidou, since he is a marine after all. Bege did it to beat BM. So u dont really have a good point here.
He did what Luffy would have failed to accomplish in the NW. survive for 2 long years
How so? Luffy did survive MF with opposing 3 admials at once, if there is anyone who actually has a positiv score when it comes to beating powerful opponents its the SHs. All other SNs (sans Urouge) we know of only suffered defeat when faced with a powerful opponent.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
While that is true, it does not really matter, since we know numerous news in the newspapers and none of them, which aint connected to the SHs, EVER implied something on this scale to have happened before (except MF war, which turned out to be Luffy connected!). There are things called causality/hints/plausibility after all.
You kind of have a point but there are some things we need to analyse here.
1st. where many are defeated and lose their will, they simply fall into the forgotten part of history or join the yonko.
This aint really an arguenment for ur side but rather a sign of weakness for me.
Both moria and croc decided to take revenge. Moria decided to do what I believe is the best decision for his fruit.
While it is true that Moria might have been wise to power himself up, it still was to little avail, he was beaten by preTS SHs, and we definately know what little chance postTS Shs (Luffy 1 hit koed by Kaidou) had vs a yonkou, thus Moria did suck immensly at doing what he intended to do, especially when one considers how much time he had in order to prepare. Compare Morias prep time to the 2years TS and u understand how epicly he sucked at bettering himself.
Lets be honest his fruit relies on harvesting and he went on to do that.
Still while being a smart move i still stick with him sucking at it.
Obviously he got to overconfident and let himself get defeated by a weaker person. One thing to note here is that just because you are not as present as luffy is, doesn't mean you arent growing. Look at BM. She was active during the rocks era and after that era we only hear GR, WB and shiki. Not her and thats because she played the long game of harvesting and allowing her fruit to be used to its maximum potential.
Kaidou could have been as arrogant as they come yet Luffy still would have 0 chance. Thus Moria just did a real bad job, especially after to got to know about the NW beforehand. I dont neglect the growing part when it comes to a generel statement, neither do i neglect that Kidd has not become more powerful than he was preTS, but still the margin is simply too small by far!
U really underrate BM. She was 8 when she already 1hitted giants and she did not have a DF back then. She aint a yonkou simply because she got a powerful DF but because her overall power is simply insane!
While her powers grow with her DF it still does not mean that she is powerless without it, she tanked Jinbei and G4 Luffy like it was nothing after all.
We here about those 3 because they stood atop everyone else, not because the others where meaningless!
U severely underrate the yonkou my friend!
2nd. Croc powers don't rely on years of harvesting and training like moria.
In generel all DFs do, some more some less, but still all r depandant on the skill of the user, this has been directly stated by the manga itself, several times in fact.
What croc did was the opposite. He knew the gap in power between him and the yonko was enormous and so he went after a quick solution which was to get an ancient weapon.
Again a smart way to try to overcome others (just in a different sort of application when compared to Moria), yet again badly performed.
I know it sound like they were losers but they had their agendas. All by themselves, not under the umbrella of a yonko.
Agendas mean nothing if u are universes away from achiving them. Robin never had any intention to actually give Croc what he wanted. Moria never could have beaten Kaidou with the fodder he collected. Kidd cant achieve his dream if he does not dare to oppose the WG/marines directly either, therefore it does not matter what an agenda is, as long as u do not even get the tiniest of bits (on a scale that can be measured) towards it!
Hats why I will continue to defend Kidd.
I wont stop u.
He, a character that at first looked as irrational as luffy, was infact the smartest of all the rookies. He realized that you can't defeat an yonko empire with a small crew. First you build your own empire, then you challenge them.
He definately aint the dumbest thats for sure, although it was Killer and not Kidd who realised that allies/empowering are/is needed! And i definately dont believe him to be the smartest, there is 0 chance he is! Hawkins and Law, mayhaps Drake are better at being smart for certain than Kidd is (killer is a variable i cant currently judge/ place accordingly).
He probably forced people into his crew like all the other yonkos/. As soon as his crew got n members the WG realised he was a real threat
Possible, but i doubt it since Shanks is the actual definition of a peacemain (how was it called/spelled again?), which Luffy kind of wishes to become as well.
Akainu actually said he got chills the last time she escaped.
If she has escaped again, would't he be mentioning her a bit more than he has already..
Well whenever he was shown, there simply were such big news that i dont find it strange that he did not talk about Bonny right away, but yes she needs to be explained furhter/more thoroughly from now on.
I know any supernova would have been defeated, but as a captain you need to know your weaknesses and know how to access your dangers. In SA, all the supernovas where smart enough to not hit a CD except luffy and look what happened to him. The other SN would have probably done a u turn as sson as they saw BB.
Luffy does not know his weaknesses...neither does he care about ANY danger.
because they r FAR smarter than Luffy, who in generel is a goddamn retard, none of the other SNs, whom we have been presented is so far!
the grandline isn't the sea of the strongest. Its the sea of survival. If roger was really the strongest he would have beaten BM and take the poneglyff by force, but he didn't.
we dont know when roger met BM with the poneglpyh thing, could still be way before God valley incident. But u have a point.
Still u dont need to fight anyone in order to achieve certain goals, sometimes the easier/better way is simply to deceive someone, or give them something that is valuable enough for them (seduce/entangle), so that they aint careful enough anymore.
I suppose it has something to do with your will.
Yes u need to have a certain amount of "backbone" to stand up even after the biggest of defeats, which is what the SHs excel at.
They did not cry.. They went into revenge mode. Their goal stopped being the onepiece and became kill the yonko.
and they still where worlds apart from achieving it, even after all the time they had (Croc remains one of my favs though).
I simply don't like moria design. He has the worst design in the whole op-verse.
i aint really a design kind of guy in op
but i still like moria, i simply consider him weak. Croc is far stronger than Moria imo.