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Posted 09 February 2018 - 07:32 AM


Katakuri with Future Sight >> Doflamingo > Katakuri without FS > Cracker
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 08:46 AM

Katakuri with Future Sight > Doflamingo > Katakuri without FS > Cracker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smoothie


Katakuri with Future Sight > Doflamingo > Cracker > Katakuri without FS ; ???Smoothie???

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 08:53 AM

Idk...

Strength- dogtooth is able to injur luffy, where luffy's haki could block DD's stright. Dogtoith wins.

Speed- with better coo.... dogtooth wins.

Durability- have to wait ti see what it takes to knock dogtooth down, but so far DD fought G4 with his organs held together hy strings. DD wins (so far)

Awakening- no competition here luffy ate his way out of dogtooth's..... dd wins

Inteligence- idk how this helpes in a fight unless the author beats you over the head with it...no winner...they are both very knowledgable in df and haki.

Range- dogtooth does have range, but most of his attacks have been close, even his awakening isnt on the scale of DD's. DD is very comfortable fighting at a distance, wheres dogtooth couldnt even stop luffy from leaving mirror world..... dd wins.



Lets not forget, dogtooth's entire combat abiliy depends 100% on his haki. Without coo, even as you guys admit, he isnt going to win. And lets not forget. Without coa, he isnt even fighting. No CoA means dogtooth is just hitting his opponents with weak moccihi, or his spear. Since we now know haki is a finite resource, dogtooth's over reliance on haki is a huge down side. He is esientally chopper on the rumbal only with a much larger time limit.

That being said DD's fighting style requires very little haki, none really. And DD, as evident by him getting luanched into a mountain while his orgas were held together with strings, DD has the endrance and durability to last in a fight.

If DD could make the fight last long enough that dogtooth loses his haki, then dd could win effortlessly.
 
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 01:57 PM

Katakuri with Future Sight > Doflamingo > Katakuri without FS > Cracker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smoothie


Katakuri with Future Sight >> Doflamingo > Katakuri without FS > Cracker


Katakuri with Future Sight > Doflamingo > Cracker > Katakuri without FS ; ???Smoothie???

Close, but all wrong.

 

It's Katakuri with FS~DD>Katakuri without FS>>Cracker. From what we have seen anw.

 

Awakening is Cracker's deadly counter. And DD has Parasite.

 

As for DD vs Katakuri, CoO is still a great advantage but it would not be as useful as vs Luffy because DD can also use Awakening to fight long-range and Katakuri has not demonstrated the speed and mobility (himself or his attacks) like G4 to hurt DD. Like I said in my discussion with Tale, the guy spent hours to fight G2/3 for Enel's sake. He did worse than Cracker's clone which stomp G2/3 in minutes. And DD even blitzed G4 once when Luffy used G4's blurry, ''disappearing'' speed. Also Katakuri can dodge attack, which is cool, but DD can tank and endure attack (and that's if Katakuri can hurt DD enough like he did Luffy). The former is always better but it's a matter of degree. DD's endurance is massive. If he can last long enough till Katakuri's Haki runs out then Katakuri is fucked. Finally keep in mind the DD we're talking about is a severely injured guy. We never see a healthy DD's extended fight.

So I'd say DD vs Katakuri is an even fight. It would come down to whether Katakuri's Haki lasts long enough.


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 03:31 PM

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When you make comparisons between Doflamingo and Katakuri, you're arguing as if Luffy hasn't improved in G2/3. Luffy consistently gets stronger when he fights - we're seeing this now - and given that, we should assume he's better overall than he was when he fought Doflamingo. He may well be faster. Hence, it doesn't say a lot about Katakuri that he's been fighting G2/3 Luffy for hours when this is a Luffy that has defeated Doflamingo and also had a mostly serious fight against Cracker, presumably in G2/3. And to return to the points we've discussed before...

 

 

 

Eh, I have addressed that feat before. It's hardly a solid evidence of superior speed. It's an evidence that Katakuri can perfectly perceive Luffy and react but similar-speed fighters can do that and that's why they hit each other...

 

(In reference to Katakuri dodging and blitzing Luffy).

 

You're downplaying and not addressing this feat.

First, why would Katakuri lie? He's told the truth about his CoO, his CoA, his offensive power and his DF. Why would the person who has been perfectly willing to acknowledge and even compliment Luffy's strengths and successes in this fight claim he's faster than Luffy when he's not?  Inductively, one would assume he's telling the truth. 

Second, that he'd lie about this isn't consistent with his character. He's acknowledged his own weaknesses when Luffy got the upper hand (in G4) (ex. he understood why Cracker lost to Luffy after taking Luffy's attacks, and then said he wouldn't lose as long as he was calm), so why would he lie and not acknowledge this specific weakness and say it was rendered irrelevant by his CoO?

Third, why would Oda, as the author, be misleading in this respect and only this respect? Again, when he had Katakuri say X, he also showed X was true. That was the whole point of that chapter. He matched Luffy's Gatling with a better version of the move. He overpowered G3. Why would Oda make an exception for G2 and have Katakuri's CoO be doing the legwork?

 

 

 

 hitting Luffy instead of being so annoyed and helpless that he felt Awakening is needed to immobilize Luffy? 

 

You're projecting too much of your conclusions into your interpretation of that scene.

 

When has Katakuri used awakening to immobilise Luffy? There were two times, when Luffy was running away with the mirror and talking to his crew, and just before his donut break. You're talking about the latter scene. In retrospect, it is obvious was impatient, not helpless, because he was forty minutes late to his donuts. We've constantly seen him dominate the fight since then and even before, and more importantly, we've not seen him use it again in that way since then, even though Luffy has gotten better at dodging him.

 

 

 


Because G4 is faster and more mobile than G2 when Luffy wanted to and can fly, too. Now, Luffy is improving in CoO so Katakuri wants to challenge that.

I'd buy that if it weren't for the gap in time between fighting G4 and beginning to acknowledge Luffy as an equal. 

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He was still trying to take him out here. No awakening, Luffy was just hit again, Katakuri is telling him it's pointless to get up again.

The brats in the Mirror World said Luffy was taking serious injuries, so Katakuri was hitting him:

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Again, no awakening on that page. No awakening here:

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Katakuri had not acknowledged Luffy at this point.

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Same here. Katakuri still thought he was superior to Luffy at this point, which he stated when this round of the fight began in chapter 888.

 

 

 

That only matters if he can outlast G4 and the reason he can, from what we have seen, is CoO.

 

Also, I think you're generally exaggerating the importance of his CoO. I'm not saying it isn't important, but I do not believe it's the only factor that is important.

 

We've already seen there are gaps in Katakuri's CoO. Sanji dodged his jelly bean and Katakuri failed to predict him dodging.

If there are limits to his predictions, which that scene suggests there, are you going to assert that it's just not likely he faced a case like that when fighting G4?

Katakuri predicted Sanji's reaction to the priest -> Sanji reacted to Katakuri's reaction to his reaction -> Katakuri failed to predict Sanji's reaction to his reaction to his prediction.

Considering Luffy has CoO, is it unthinkable that Luffy - who is superior to Sanji in every way - didn't react in such a way that Katakuri failed to predict his reactions? We've arguably already seen it. For example, when he was attacking in the places where Luffy was dodging to, but not compensating for stuff like Luffy moving his head out the way with his hands. 

 

Without ever addressing the possibility of reactions (both defensive and offensive) that he couldn't predict, it's easy to say CoO is the only reason he can defend against G4. But what if when fighting G4 Luffy his CoO couldn't cover him all the time? How did Katakuri survive then?


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 03:49 PM


Katakuri has not demonstrated the speed and mobility (himself or his attacks) like G4 to hurt DD.

He didn't demonstrate that when he was beating G4 and punching G4 punches away from the side?


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 04:49 PM

Nah Tale, you are downgrading the relevance of Katakuri's CoO.

If Katakuri was faster than Luffy, if the better CoA was a gamechanger, if the Awakening was really relevant, Katakuri with his future seeing would have absolutely murdered Luffy. You can't escape a guy that is as fast or faster than you AND sees all your movements in advance.

The fact that Luffy could dodge so many of Katakuri's attacks even though the latter has better CoO AND environment control through Awakening is proof that Luffy is at least as fast as him, and probably even faster. And he is also more durable, as he tanks his attacks like hell and still keeps fighting, whereas the very first attack that hit Katakuri, a no name kick to his face, made him bleed.

The very reason Katakuri got so many hits in is because of his CoO, since he could see through all of Luffy's attacks (like a Sharingan user) AND since he always knew how Luffy would try to dodge.

And the very reason Luffy got almost no hits in is because he knows which attack is coming before Luffy even throws it.

 

And the very moment he LOST his CoO advantage, Luffy immediately got several hits in.

Now that the CoO unbalance is out of the way, Katakuri will have the fight of his life. He knows that, which is why he sees Luffy as his equal now.


To the power levels:
Kata >=Doflamingo>Cracker/Jack

 

Now with Jack I am not so sure, but I really was not impressed by his performance. That ofc heavily depends on how strong Neko and Inu are in the grand scheme of things, but I could totally see Doffy parasiting them to fight each other or use his Awakening to fodderize them all lol. On the other hand, Neko and Inu were on Roger's ship, so mb Jack did a really good job?

 

I think Kata can beat Doffy. His CoO gives him the ability to dodge most of DD's attacks and he has shown the ability to injure G4. But since Doflamingo was already heavily injured when he faced G4, I give him the benefit of the doubt and say Kata>=Doffy instead of Kata>Doffy.

 

Doffy on the other hand is stronger than Cracker. People say that Cracker is stronger since he looked better vs G4, but they fail to take a deeper look.

1) Doffy was already injured (=less tanking, less dodging)

2) Cracker is a fighter that mainly focusses on defense. He is like a RPG player that puts all his talent points into defense/blocking, whereas Doflamingo is an allrounder that puts some points in speed for dodging, in defense for blocking and in durability for tanking. There is no difference between blocking all of G4's attacks and then getting oneshotted, and blocking a few, dodging a few, tanking a few and then getting beaten.

 

The problem with guys like Cracker who focus too much on one aspect is that they have great weaknesses, in his case his durability. Now remember the case where Law and Luffy used the Shambles + Red Hawk combination to replace the string clone with Doflamingo's real body? Even a durability beast like Doflamingo got down on his knees and spit out blood. If they did that to glasscanon Cracker... well lets just say he was lucky that Luffy had only Nami at his side and not another Shichibukai.


 


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 06:53 PM

Dofla as any other Shichibukai, bar Buggy, is stronger than Yonko commander. In DR he fought fellow SB and MC, and he would have won if it weren't for those meddling kids. In a way it was a draw, he was laying on the ground as so was Luffy, both of them would be taken by their enemies, but Luffy had Sabo to protect him from Jesus.



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Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:56 AM

He didn't demonstrate that when he was beating G4 and punching G4 punches away from the side?

No. Did you just ignore the context or you think standing still reacting to punch is the same as jumping around trying to out-maneuvre opponent's defense?


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:17 AM

No. Did you just ignore the context or you think standing still reacting to punch is the same as jumping around trying to out-maneuvre opponent's defense?

But he also out maneuvred G4's defense?

 

You don't need to jump around in a fight. Katakuri dodges and attacks efficiently.


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 08:20 AM

Katakuri with Future Sight > Doflamingo > Cracker > Katakuri without FS ; ???Smoothie???

 

Nah, Cracker´s main strength comes from his defense, either through wearing the armor or hiding behind a significantly strong wall of strings.

In the former, Kata can fight with his Awakening and CQC, in the latter he can let his Awakening fight and does not even have to engage the soldiers since he can spawn attacks behind teh soldiers easily. And considering Cracker got oneshotted by one G4 attack + the impact of his soldiers, i would say Kata just needs a few hits in to win that, even without FS.

 

If it´s with FS, no contest even.

 

Smoothie will be the Tsuru of commanders. Theoretically strong, only that we will never see it.


 

Close, but all wrong.

 

It's Katakuri with FS~DD>Katakuri without FS>>Cracker. From what we have seen anw.

 

Awakening is Cracker's deadly counter. And DD has Parasite.

 

As for DD vs Katakuri, CoO is still a great advantage but it would not be as useful as vs Luffy because DD can also use Awakening to fight long-range and Katakuri has not demonstrated the speed and mobility (himself or his attacks) like G4 to hurt DD. Like I said in my discussion with Tale, the guy spent hours to fight G2/3 for Enel's sake. He did worse than Cracker's clone which stomp G2/3 in minutes. And DD even blitzed G4 once when Luffy used G4's blurry, ''disappearing'' speed. Also Katakuri can dodge attack, which is cool, but DD can tank and endure attack (and that's if Katakuri can hurt DD enough like he did Luffy). The former is always better but it's a matter of degree. DD's endurance is massive. If he can last long enough till Katakuri's Haki runs out then Katakuri is fucked. Finally keep in mind the DD we're talking about is a severely injured guy. We never see a healthy DD's extended fight.

So I'd say DD vs Katakuri is an even fight. It would come down to whether Katakuri's Haki lasts long enough.

 

Just FS alone gives Kata the edge, it´s that much of an advantage.

DD pushed Luffy into defense for 20 minutes because of the multi directional attacks of his strings.

In this fight, we have seen that Kata with FS > G4 in terms of movement. He does not have to be as fast since he can see the strings from a mile away basically.

While he himself has Awakening to counter DD´s Awakening.

 

And i do not believe that his Haki will run out that quickly since unlike Luffy he is a seasoned user of it. He has been fighting Luffy for 11 hours or so now and his Haki does not show any decrease in level.

So DD would get pounded for 11 hours, and that without Katakuri´s mercy and interest in his personality like it´s the case with Luffy.


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:10 PM

But he also out maneuvred G4's defense?

 

You don't need to jump around in a fight. Katakuri dodges and attacks efficiently.

Again, context. G4 fought long-ranged with Awakening sprouting from everywhere?

 

 

 


In this fight, we have seen that Kata with FS > G4 in terms of movement. He does not have to be as fast since he can see the strings from a mile away basically.

While he himself has Awakening to counter DD´s Awakening.

No, it's Kata with FS and Donut. So he's not just better in terms of movement. He's vastly better in the number of limbs also. You think he would have pounded G4 consistently without those extra limbs? He even grew them behind Luffy to catch Luffy off-guarded. And that's not the case vs DD with Awakening.

 

Also so far DD's Awakening usage is much more versatile. And fighting with Awakening is different from brawling like Luffy cause you can just telekinetically (with some hand movement but not that complex) control the element so the time advantage CoO gives shrinks significantly. But of course Katakuri is still advantageous but DD has endurance and base stats. It would be a close, even fight.

 

 


And i do not believe that his Haki will run out that quickly since unlike Luffy he is a seasoned user of it. He has been fighting Luffy for 11 hours or so now and his Haki does not show any decrease in level.

There were like few hours of rest. G4 also used Haki more than usual.


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:26 AM

Craker has low pain endurance, we dont know about his actual endurance

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:25 AM

Craker has low pain endurance, we dont know about his actual endurance



Lets analyse it then.

Rayleigh explained that CoA is meant to be used for defense and what most people do is adapt it into attack therefore


Cracker only used his df power for 1 thing and so his fighting capabilities were very straightforward. He relied in his biscuit soldier that was very very hard. He basically add to fight modes.
1st mode is a biscuit soldier with Cracker hiding inside
2nd mode is a wall of multiple biscuit soldiers

Lets start with defense.
Defense is very straight forward given that is based on his biscuit soldiers that are very very hard.
Luffy himself couldn't bite them without nami.
Cracker used two single strategies in his defense.

In his 1st mode he skyrockets the biscuit soldier hardness and endurance by boosting it with haki (CoA)
by destroying a limb another 2 would appear.

In his 2nd strategy he hides behind his hakiless (assumed because it was never proven otherwise) soldiers, the act as a
barrier or wall making it really hard to reach cracker
by destroying a soldiers another 2 would appear.


what about attack
Just like defence, attack depends heavily on the 2 modes.

In his 1st mode Cracker allows his biscuit soldier to carry a biscuit sword. By creating multiple limbs he can carry multiple biscuit swords.
By coating the biscuit swords they reach a threatening lvl in which luffy has to dodge.

In his 2nd mode he has multiple biscuit soldiers swarming his enemy with threatening attacks.
He waits for openings and moments of distraction to attack with his sword coated in haki.



What are the main tools cracker use for his battles. pretzel and his biscuit soldiers.
Biscuit soldiers are very very hard to the point of Luffy needing nami to eat them. Luffy has been seen breaking metal chains with his teeth.
Pretzel. A big sword that is unclassified but has a name.Why is this important. Because the higher the rank the better it will be. One example was cavendish using it against chinjao without haki and the sword didn't break.
Cacker was using the sword coated in haki to attack luffy. He was actually causing harm to G4 which is impressive.
DD could only use his top tier attacks after G4 showed up because they just weren't good enough.
I know, I know, attack don't correlate with endurance and that all of his attacks which were sword based are Luffy biggest weakness but during one of his attacks Luffy acknowledge his haki as one of the best he had seen.

given all this information I can deduce that pretzel is not that impressive and that most of crackers attack power came from his haki.
His biscuit soldiers with haki were being destroyed with 2 kong guns and his hakiless soldiers were being destroyed with 1 kong gun. With this in mind I can see cracker coating his entire body in haki given that luffy cannonball is an attack that depends on the environments and withstanding most of if not half of the damage. Had Luffy thrown Cracker up he should have had time to snap out of it. Right?

Well my point his that his endurance shouldn't be that low. Yes, he was one shotted but the attack he took was a killer attack because of all the biscuits he had around. In the end he was a pro with CoA. that on top of a weak body gives a great boost of endurance.
In the end cracker lost because he was dumb.

Luffy spent 10 hours using his real eyes to realise the real lies of cracker. Somehow he read crackers emotions and crackers personality. He formed a strategy and he "check mate"ed the sh#t out of that fight.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 02:28 AM

Craker has low pain endurance, we dont know about his actual endurance

We do know his upper limit/ceiling at least and that's enough.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 04:17 AM

We do know his upper limit/ceiling at least and that's enough.

i really think u r considering endurance to be a solo matter that is excluded from every other factor, which in my eyes is wrong.

His endurabilty/tankyness could be epic, yet because of all the running/chasing he had to do (which in a real war is a nonfactor and does not happen, since u got to beat the enemy invading, and the invader wishes to attack/overcome u as well, unlike with what Luffy actually wanted) his overall physical stats were immensly reduced, since if u are fatigued, ur haki (e.g. lacking concentration) and ur others skills are affected as well, thus his endurance could have been significantly lowered than it normally would be, since Cracker aint a marathon runner but a sprinter.   

 

Of course u seem right when it comes to the pain endurance, which seems pretty low, but for me that aint meaning that his physical endurance/durability/tankyness in generel is (in conjunction with his CoA defense). There has to be a reason why Luffy did run so often, as was hinted, there has to be a reason why Luffy needed to run and hide in the first place, there has to be a reason Luffy needed to eat the soldiers, be it to replenish, or to take away Crackers main fighting force, and most importantly there has to be a reason as to why he needed Nami and the Homies to protect him. Therefore in the 11 hours fight, Cracker still was the one superior most of the time and choose to run, because Luffy was unable to overcome him. Only in the end, when we see a fatigued Cracker, unable to overcome Luffys sheer will to recuperate and fight again, Cracker does indeed seem inferior, that does not mean he was for the entire scope of the battle, since it leavesout how much chasing Cracker might have needed to do, while Luffy had time to regenerate/rest. 



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Posted 14 February 2018 - 04:54 AM

i really think u r considering endurance to be a solo matter that is excluded from every other factor, which in my eyes is wrong.

His endurabilty/tankyness could be epic, yet because of all the running/chasing he had to do (which in a real war is a nonfactor and does not happen, since u got to beat the enemy invading, and the invader wishes to attack/overcome u as well, unlike with what Luffy actually wanted) his overall physical stats were immensly reduced, since if u are fatigued, ur haki (e.g. lacking concentration) and ur others skills are affected as well, thus his endurance could have been significantly lowered than it normally would be, since Cracker aint a marathon runner but a sprinter.   

 

Of course u seem right when it comes to the pain endurance, which seems pretty low, but for me that aint meaning that his physical endurance/durability/tankyness in generel is (in conjunction with his CoA defense). There has to be a reason why Luffy did run so often, as was hinted, there has to be a reason why Luffy needed to run and hide in the first place, there has to be a reason Luffy needed to eat the soldiers, be it to replenish, or to take away Crackers main fighting force, and most importantly there has to be a reason as to why he needed Nami and the Homies to protect him. Therefore in the 11 hours fight, Cracker still was the one superior most of the time and choose to run, because Luffy was unable to overcome him. Only in the end, when we see a fatigued Cracker, unable to overcome Luffys sheer will to recuperate and fight again, Cracker does indeed seem inferior, that does not mean he was for the entire scope of the battle, since it leavesout how much chasing Cracker might have needed to do, while Luffy had time to regenerate/rest. 

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:15 AM

i really think u r considering endurance to be a solo matter that is excluded from every other factor, which in my eyes is wrong.
His endurabilty/tankyness could be epic, yet because of all the running/chasing he had to do (which in a real war is a nonfactor and does not happen, since u got to beat the enemy invading, and the invader wishes to attack/overcome u as well, unlike with what Luffy actually wanted) his overall physical stats were immensly reduced, since if u are fatigued, ur haki (e.g. lacking concentration) and ur others skills are affected as well, thus his endurance could have been significantly lowered than it normally would be, since Cracker aint a marathon runner but a sprinter.

Of course u seem right when it comes to the pain endurance, which seems pretty low, but for me that aint meaning that his physical endurance/durability/tankyness in generel is (in conjunction with his CoA defense). There has to be a reason why Luffy did run so often, as was hinted, there has to be a reason why Luffy needed to run and hide in the first place, there has to be a reason Luffy needed to eat the soldiers, be it to replenish, or to take away Crackers main fighting force, and most importantly there has to be a reason as to why he needed Nami and the Homies to protect him. Therefore in the 11 hours fight, Cracker still was the one superior most of the time and choose to run, because Luffy was unable to overcome him. Only in the end, when we see a fatigued Cracker, unable to overcome Luffys sheer will to recuperate and fight again, Cracker does indeed seem inferior, that does not mean he was for the entire scope of the battle, since it leavesout how much chasing Cracker might have needed to do, while Luffy had time to regenerate/rest.


I think you are massively over thinking this.
Dont forget op is translated from another language, and exists in a different culture. Some misunderstandings are bound to occur.
I am almost 99% positive, when crackers said "i cant take pain, even a needle prick is too much for me" that was oda essientally telling us readers "hey, this guy has low durability"

Frankly i dont see his durability as too much of a draw back, he said himself very few people have ever seen his real face. So a normal fight doesnt see him leaving his bulky tanky armor. And that armor was enough to blitz non G4 luffy which is very very good for a low level commander.
 
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#79 Sesshoumaru

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 05:36 AM

Craker has low pain endurance, we dont know about his actual endurance

Pain tolerance = the amount of pain you can take without collapsing. Even if you want to draw a forced distinction between pain tolerance and damage threshold (its very likely the same in the simplified world of One Piece), it doesn't matter. Wether you collaps from the actual damage or from the mental stress that is pain doesn't matter.

Cracker himself stated that he can barely take a shot.

 

 


Well my point his that his endurance shouldn't be that low. Yes, he was one shotted but the attack he took was a killer attack because of all the biscuits he had around. In the end he was a pro with CoA. that on top of a weak body gives a great boost of endurance.
In the end cracker lost because he was dumb.

Luffy spent 10 hours using his real eyes to realise the real lies of cracker. Somehow he read crackers emotions and crackers personality. He formed a strategy and he "check mate"ed the sh#t out of that fight.

I agree that Cracker lost because he was dumb (again an example of why intelligence matters in fights), but still.

Healthy Cracker got oneshotted by a G4 attack that was not even Luffy's strongest.

You don't get oneshotted by G4 unless you have weak durability.



#80 D.Hyuga

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 06:41 AM


Healthy Cracker got oneshotted by a G4 attack that was not even Luffy's strongest.

 

1. You don't know how strong that attack was, Luffy is food dependant fighter, and he was 'full' at the braking point at that moment.

2. You are not taking into consideration the fact that Cracker got slammed into line of his own biscuit soldiers.






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