Not trying is not the same as not trying
It´s like saying DD controlling the VAs did not mean anything because he did not damage them when he was just casually playing around which is what he did in the war, he could not contain his excitement aobut being in the middle of a clash that decides the world´s future.
Dude, DD already hsowed he can easily cut someone who is logia, he can imbue his strings with Haki, as seen with Smoker.. Jsut like with Jozu, he never tried to kill Croc, it´s a conscious decision not to try it, he had no interest in harming him. It was a gesture of jealousy because Croc helped WB Pirates.
He said Brilliant Punk against Croc and could not even take out the guy who base Luffy beat.
Not really. Oda has established 3 main aspects to fighting skill within OP: Devil fruit or weapon, physical capabilities and now Haki. Each of them, if trained to the extreme, can make you stand out and strong. For example, just like Haki gives you the possibility to hit the real body of Logia users, it also gives you the ability to hit the real body of Paramecia users. Luffy´s rubber for example is not really relevant anymore if he is hit with Haki, prerequisite is if Luffy uses Haki as well, the other guy´s Haki has to be better or greater, whatever you wanan call it.
What? Is that an english proverb i dont get as a foreigner?
Come on we all know that most VA are not worth mentioning, so why even bother with those that r just a tad above fodder (special ones like Garp excluded naturally)? Thats like saying Mr.9 can be toyed with by current Luffy which is true of course but does in no way contribute to this discussion......
Sure DD can use haki (did i imply differently, i dont believe i did?), problem is everything indicates Jozus Haki>DDs (for UNLIKE DD Jozu has been SEEN to actually harm Logia users back then, which DD was not (and one of those was a freaking Admiral)! U say that DDs haki would be able to overcome Jozus haki+his fruits armor/defense and say he did not because he did not feel like it......Of course it is possible that it happended like that, but when talking about liklyhood ..... Imo Jozus haki enforced Diamond is not likely to be cut as easily as u imply, in fact if u recall he did not receive a single wound in the war, except the one which was resulting due to being frozen. Even Aokiji an admiral was unable to phsically harm Jozu, except for that one time which meant instant defeat, and only happended because Jozu was caught off guard. And ur argument with Smoker is also very vague since foremost Smoker =/= Jozu (neither have they ever clashed as far as i recall), consequently, as long as u cannot prove Smoker>=Jozu, that point too is not useful. And btw Smoker is nowhere near the league we r talking about, since he was easily handled by DD AND Law, while Law in turn was swiftly done by DD!
Furthermore i think ur misinterpreting how DD actually sees things, the more gleeful/happy DD is the more serious he actually is, as he himself proves here: http://mangasee.co/m...&index=1&page=9
Note: "I am so furious, all i can do is laugh", ergo even if he is smiling he still aint unattentive/lax.
Arguing for Luffy vs Croc really? First off plot armor! Secondly i wonder what all Enel-fans would have to say to that point.
So all in all ur arguementation still circles around the "assumption" that DD did not bother to try, which is a possiblity , granted, but imo an highly unlikely one, for DD does not strike me as suicidal as i.e. Kaidou actually is!
Moreover i think u may overestimate DDs haki ability since even Law, who does not seem to be a haki master either, was able to defend against DDs strings, and Law does not have diamond defense as a body to shield him if the haki defense is overcome, neither is Law a (pure) physical fighter in generel, with its main attributes like tankyness and "power/force/strength"! And keep in mind that just because u r able to use haki , thus hit the "df-changed" body of a df user u still got to overcome his personal physical defense/tankyness as well as his skills as a fighter in generel. Just being able to hit someone does not garantee victory u need to be versatile. The admirals themselfs also were able to withstand being hit by haki, so why is the same not possible with Jozu? Why does DDs string fruit strike u as lethal enough to apply enough damage to take out a yonkous 3rd when even Law and Luffy could (while having to tagteam) withstand the strings?
To the last point:
Well perhaps i did not show what i meant by saying Oda has not been consistent, apologies. Just think of Kizarus light speed which Kuma apparently also is able to produce, even though he AINT light, and since nothing of existence in our world has lightspeed the inconsistence. Another example would be the Kilo-Kilo fruit, which in the end turned out to be more of a ton-ton fruit too, just with less tons....Ergo Oda does not go by the book when giving the speed of light to something that aint light, and of course lightspeed earth =/= lightspeed OP, not saying Kizaru actually going by lightspeed would make op better, definately not, since well he would be far too overpowered then(>>>>>> everyone (well except Matter/gravity)).
Of course this is a very technical understanding of how things (dont) work in op, but well life's a .....
Jozu could not even come close to DD, what the hell are we talking about here? Normal strings were able to subdue him, what do you think DD could do with Awakening? The onyl reason Luffy got not fucked by DD´s awakening was because of G4´s top tier speed and maneuverability, a speed that is supposed to parallel this.
When was it stated that G4 was supposed to equal/parallel Kizarus speed?
Edited by capu, 29 August 2016 - 11:42 AM.