Hahahahahahaa I love the logic of your last post "he was not the strongest because he was defeated" this is good sound logic. This means when dd was defeated luffy was actually the strongest on DR. Good because I don't like explaining why dd isn't admiral level and that is a much simpler way to discredit him. Similarity when WB was defeated by BB's gun it proves WB wasn't the strongest BB's gun was.
And in ID Magellan defeated BB proving Magellan is the strongest. So Magellan is actually the strongest character in the entire manga......sound logic.
There is a difference between the winner and the stronger.
What? No that is insane WB was the strongest and he died the strongest. Just because he was sick doesn't mean a thing if he still holds the title of strongest. If a sick old man who is a shadow of his former self is still able to beat up and child who wants to take his title then he is still the strongest.... sorry that is how things work.....
And Enel is useless? Enel destroyed an island. You know who else tried to destroy an island, BB and WB, they both failed. What is so hard to see about the fact that luffy only won because he was rubber? Oda even said in an SBS "luffy was lucky to be rubber" Oda did something you clearly missed. Oda set wiper up to be luffy's equal in every way except he didn't have a rubber body. After Enel was done joking around he fodderized wiped in a single shot. That is how easily luffy would of been taken care of if he wasn't immune.
This is as stupid as saying buggy is stronger then mihawk.
u misunderstood! the Almighty (=god) is unbeatable, unless he wants to get beaten, which enel did not, ergo since Enel got defeated he cant be god (=almighty!). I do not argue it powerwise i tell u that noone can/deserves to be labelled as god if he gets beaten because he aint the almighty then anymore!
not when u r the almighty (=god)!
only if he still is the strongest as of a fact which i am not sure of, the marines may have not known for sure , or even if WB still was the strongest it does not matter in our current discussion which centers around kaidou being the strongest of all , while u in the beginning claimed that there might be a human stronger, for which i see no bases.
and even IF kaidou was "only" the strongest creature, with WB being even stronger , WB is still dead, so it does not help ur point neither does it help Fulmines!!!! U guys talk about things that have nothing to do with our main topic of the current plot, being kaidou strongest of all currently or not!
Moreover even if WB were the strongest back then still, does that negate that even though kaidou might have had this title when WB was still alive, that he as of now still not is the strongest including humans? Answer:NO, for we have noone we know of, except Shanks, or BM who might be able to even challange that title, and shanks we know since forever and BM is center of current arc, both were not labelled as such as of yet, BB does not seem to currently be either, neither have we heard of an admiral having been given said title, so its extremely unlikely why anyone we know off so far , except for kaidou, could hold this title/the meaning of the title now! So what is ur and fulmines point?
An island that was held by clouds.......no real (as in 1000 of meters deep) soil, ergo , in op standard, easily broken!
And? Luffy won because he is rubber? u know of anyone of significance that would have lost against any of the SHs when they were still rookie lvl? tell me a yonkou whom u think could have been beaten by preTS luffy, tell me how Luffy could have beaten an adrmial preTS, lets say Sanji is aokijis natural enemy, u see him beating Aokiji? i dont! Thats what all u enel people like to disregard, noone of significance like admiral or yonkou or their 2-5th in command would have been beaten by any preTS (much less skypia luffy which was like 1/5th of MF luffy, not even had gear!!!!!!!!) sh character, this makes it clear that Enel indeed is fodder and nowhere near what u guys hype him to be!
I never claimed luffy did not beat enel because he was rubber, i tell u guys like forever now to get it into ur skull that someone who is beaten by a fodder character like skypia luffy, is fodder himself, even if the fodder foe used ur natural weakness, since at that weak stage anyone of real importance would still kill u with his finger alone, anyone with CoA skills would have easily deafeated his natural enemy, if the powerlvl of said enemy is only what luffy had back then, but ENEL was INCAPABLE OF DOING SO WHICH MAKES HIM FODDER!!!!!!
It's just ''we don't know''. 50/50. Where is the evidence/hint to prefer one over another? None! It's a fantasy world. Oda could have made the word red means the color green in this world if he wants.
Well, that's a big difference already. How about saying mermaid are still human, just with fish lower body and ability to breath underwater? Seriously...
What they refer to themselves is irrelevant if there's nothing backing that up. And it's more like they are saying that in a social sense. We're talking biological terminology, about races, not social stuffs. Yes, they look like human, just with wings, and the way they live, talk aren't that different. But that doesn't mean they are suddenly the same race as human.
Link, please? And assuming the guy at auction house knows what he's talking about. He's most probably not the one giving Kaidou and WB their titles...
But, well, this is like calling tiger and lion the same species just because they are both big cats...
So you mean
-WB originally was called WSCreature
-But then he got demoted to WSMan.
-Kaidou was originally WSX (X being the animal his Zoan is)
-But since WB was demoted, Kaidou got promoted and is called WSCreature now?
2 problems with that:
- Who keeps track of this title thing? WB, if DD was right, ruled the sea until his death so he never lost so why did people demote him and promote Kaidou? I said again, he was WSMan the moment he was introduced, not just in MFWar so you can forget about ''his sickness'' excuse. Ergo, if human is creature, WB's title should have been WSCreature.
-Having a Zoan doesn't make Kaidou not human. Just a Zoan DF user. It's not like his race actually changes...
It's not the Marines, though. It's Oda's omnipotent word in a box. Unless even that is to be doubted (though I have to say Mihawk kinda makes me want to doubt it LOL)
Since when did you get to decide it's highly unlikely? You're using your real world standard and applying it to a fantasy world without any hint whatsoever in the manga that it can be done? That's stupid. Fantasy world can have men gives birth, cat breeds dog or whatever the hell the author wants.
WB being dead has no bearing. The logic behind his title remains.
And I addressed exactly just that: if Kaidou's title was given due to WB's death, then why isn't Kaidou's WSMan if he's human like you said or why wasn't WB's title WSCreature when he was stronger than Kaidou? All of this under a bigger premise that is human is counted as creature.
Honor? So when Zolo beat Mihawk should he be called WS3-sword-styleSwordsman instead of just WSSwordsman?
Oda did not want to do the same thing? Fair enough but that out-universe. We're doing in-verse. Of course, the author can contradict himself. After all who cares if the story is inconsistent, Oda certainly doesn't and One Piece is the best-selling manga but that's not debating with reasoning anymore. Just an ''anything goes'' be-all-end-all logic.
There's no attitude. I just said what I thought. Matter-of-fact-ish.
Because they are not doing anything in the current arc: Whole Cake Island...
Neither your or my definition matters. What matters is One Piece's definition. Besides, I never aid anything about your not calling Enel-sama God. I was attacking all those accusation you made. Whether you think he's God is unimportant.
Luffy has immensely advantageous match-up. Imagine a kid who is immune to all physical attacks and heat and even Haki. Akainu wouldn't be able to beat him. But some sort of mindfuck ability can.
Really u consider the possibility of Oda not counting humans as creatures to be 50/50, i say this is ur logic, i dont need to get were ur coming from here, wont even try
come on i specifically wrote shaded , so whats ur point??
never said merfold were humans said skypeople were, since iirc they referred to themself as such (which i, as i said aint 100% sure though), again ur point? u truly like writing about stuff which does nothing to do with the context right? or is it for post count?
u dont think they themselfs should know? k lets leave it at that then, since i dont know for sure anyway , and it has nothing to do with the actual point whether kaidou currently is the strongest there is or not, i dont see this as important as to look it up, neither do i think (since skypians are not relevant to the plot currently anyway) that we need to discuss this.
And no race is the wrong word, it does exactly oppose ur stand! For the actual meaning of the term race, does by definition incline that there r strong differences between a species, anymals i.e. can be of the same race, while they have a total different appearance! i.e. zebra and common horse!
only thing i can find is that usop several times calls broggy a guy, which is a human term http://mangaseeonlin...17-page-10.html
moreover even in our society giants often r referred to as being indeed humans, so why should Oda change this? because it would suit u? because u want it to be different? show me where its stated that they r no humans, i gave u bases (since even for us giants r just gigantic humans, never heard of david vs goliath as it seems.....or even in greek mythology there r qite the number of examples were giants=humans, and in this case even the size roughly fits) for my stand.
which is all that is needed as proof does it matter to us, whether one is black or yellow or white answer no, op has the difference in color as well as in size as it seems, not that i might not be wrong with this part, but again it has absolutely nothing to do with the main topic, why r we foucssing this? what the hell........
first wb was strongest of all, since kaidou is human still!!! , then in sickness he might not have been anymore (but noone could tell, knew, so he actually did not deserve it anymore, but still held it), still does not matter in current discussion.... since let me tell u something, genuis, WB is dead...... so his former strongest man title means shit now... so IF kaidou HAD the title of strongest creature BEFORE WBs death already, back then it could solely have been aimed at creatures, except humans, since WB stood above everyone since his prime,
but after WBs death, i see no reason for ODA to change it afterwards (i gave u reason as to why, for honor and remembarance sake of a great guy (wb)), giving kaidou another title instead of just including humans, in total, and wb as only challanger being dead, if not why does ODA HAVE TO GIVE kaidou the same title, even if the meaning is the same since there no longer is anyone with the title of strongest man currently the creature thing outclasses all other titles. for here is the thing, we know for a fact that the former owner of the worlds strongest man is dead, present me a new owner and i admit i was wrong with everything concerining this topic ohh wait u cant....well nice talking to u......if we will get a new owner in the time to come u will be right, but as of now all we have is kaidou!
having a zoan wanting to show his might through a title does not biologically make him a creature but allows u to refer to u as such in op terms, or u think the dark king actually is dark, strange he has white hair.....the m3 have been titled several times as beasts , r they beasts? enel refers to himself as a god , well is he, answer again no, he is just a human/birkian with a df....., do i need to continue?
for the rest see above
ye wow just wow......once more just some random senseless arguement from u 3 swords still make him him a swordsman...so...urpoint? in history there were several swordsman who used more than 1 blade, strange still they were called swordsman....not according to fulmine.....
understand what facts r first the we can talk again
still dont get that part, what does that have to do with enel being fodder? that they r not part of the plot currently , certainly does not.....and when did mihawk lie about his power?when did akainu or kaidou? we know bb lied to get his goals, but deceiving others=/=straight out being plain wrong.....
so whether i think he is god is unimportant, true i give u that, whether he thinks so and whether he refers to himself as god since he is unstoppable in his eyes and then being proven wrong does!
ye look as to how answered to that at kidds part
Edited by capu, 25 January 2017 - 06:28 AM.