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#41 Strobacaxi

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 12:54 PM


Katakuri's Coa is confirmed garbage. Meaning he doesn't have kings haki. LoL 

Wut? And Wut?


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 01:46 PM

Luffy's coa superior even though he's not Coa specialist because he's king haki's specialist that gives him a more round mastery of the other two. Luffy's and Doflamingos haki didn't have any discernible difference, for example.


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 01:53 PM

Luffy's coa superior even though he's not Coa specialist because he's king haki's specialist that gives him a more round mastery of the other two. Luffy's and Doflamingos haki didn't have any discernible difference, for example.

So you don't even read the chapters anymore?

 

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Katakuri is better at CoO and CoA. We don't know about CoC, neither does CoC have anything to do with one's mastery over the other colours


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 02:31 PM

Pretty decent, for a shitty chapter.

4/10

What does this even meannnnnnnnn


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:01 PM

i already know that hes a better coo guy

But to be inferior hints to me like he has no coc.

Lol

Being better at coo doesnt mean your haki should be worse than luffy. 

It;s called a theory my guy. Its based on context clue and subtext. 


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:25 PM

i already know that hes a better coo guy

But to be inferior hints to me like he has no coc.

Lol

Being better at coo doesnt mean your haki should be worse than luffy. 

It;s called a theory my guy. Its based on context clue and subtext. 

You're saying Luffy's CoA is superior. I'm showing you hard evidence from a manga page, where it's 500% obvious that Luffy's CoA is weaker than katakuri's.

 

So you're taking your hints from an absurdly incorrect premise.


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:50 PM

Those cracks in his coa attacks arent from his coc?

 

 

What I dont understand in this chapter is that the mochi house katakuri builds is solid but the mochi wall he brings down on luffy is still mochi how does this work? Makes no sense to me.


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 05:07 PM

Mangastream and the jasmine site have different translation. In one its about having more than coa to beat luffy. in the other hes better. 

CCC needs to comment.

although context clue says mangastream is probably right. as this is the first time they clash and HE IS using mochi block attack


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 06:20 PM

Can someone re-explain me that CoA CoC and CoO very briefly?

 

Also, I guess Katakuri really has dog teeth :lol:



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Posted 27 October 2017 - 06:32 PM

Katakuri's Coa is confirmed garbage. Meaning he doesn't have kings haki. LoL

Also, so once you awakened matter into w.e, it stays like that regardless of you putting your attention to it?

if its an issue of not being able to predict the future once you're using the other haki then Coo is just a joke. Because you can not dodge your way to victory.

If it's an issue of solid mochi can not logia (so you must attack him while hes on the offense) then it's going to be counter punch the match.

Either way, I thought Luffy was gonna need help. But he's just gonna end up soloing Katakuri. and at the very least tying.
It's pretty cool that the Big Moms crew's weakness is the fact that Luffy's system is essentially on speed. So it's like he wasn't ready for Yonkous but luckily manage to face the one crew that had the element that could give him an advantage, and also serving as way to train him for whats next,

exactly. I think this whole arc was basically training for luffy to fight kaido

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 01:48 AM

I wonder if he gave himself the teeth. Those scars are suspicious.

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 04:01 AM

Timing of his Haki. He was using Armament Haki, when his "foresight" is Haki of Observation. His foresight requires 100% Haki of Observation. If he uses any other Haki, he cannot use it.


It's not like Kataguri didn't use Coa before and luffy still wasn't able to hit him in the slightest though.
 

I thought this before but i dont think everyone wit sharp teeth are fishermen. Im honestly not 100% sure that jack is a fishermen


Wasn't jack said to be a fighting fishmen? Or at least shown to breath under water?
Would be nice to know his background though. Would mean that Jimbei isn't any longer the strongest fishmen.
 

I thought this before but i dont think everyone wit sharp teeth are fishermen. Im honestly not 100% sure that jack is a fishermen


Wasn't jack said to be a fightingfish fishmen? Or at least shown to breath under water?
Would be nice to know his background though. Would mean that Jimbei isn't any longer the strongest fishmen.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 04:52 AM

Mangastream and the jasmine site have different translation. In one its about having more than coa to beat luffy. in the other hes better. 

CCC needs to comment.

although context clue says mangastream is probably right. as this is the first time they clash and HE IS using mochi block attack

Context clue says the opposite actually. They are both using CoA, both punching each other's fist, and Luffy gets hurt while Katakuri doesn't. This is not the first time they clash, and every time they have clashed, Luffy lost.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 08:47 AM

Can someone re-explain me that CoA CoC and CoO very briefly?

 

CoO = Colour of Observation = Observation Haki

CoA = Colour of Armaments = Armament Haki

CoC = Colour of the Conquering King = Conqueror's Haki


 

I wonder if he gave himself the teeth. Those scars are suspicious.

 

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 09:09 AM

 

I think I just found his soulmate...

 

 

 

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 12:48 PM

And here, I thought Katakuri was an entirely separate character that Oda came up with which he decided to slot into the Big Mom Pirates but this chapter shows that the apple did not fall far from the tree. 

Katakuri was set up to be Luffy's darker counterpart since their fists clashes near the Sunny. Whereas Luffy is carefree, silly and hot headed, Katakuri was calm, collected and calculating and where Luffy has all the hallmarks of a shonen protagonist (stubborness, gluttony and the power of friendship), Katakuri is the most genre savvy villain introduced thus far. They both have stretchy powers that they then enhance with haki and their bodies are also made of the same element as well. Also, as we see in this chapter, they are both gluttonous as well with Katakuri chowing down on such huge chunks of donuts that his cheeks are all puffed similar to Luffy when he's eating.  The difference being that Luffy is indifferent about how he comes across in front of others whereas Katakuri is incredibly self conscious about how he comes across in front of others. 

He's that kid who acts all cool and preoccupied with his image and how he comes across to his peers but is secretly watching Sailor Moon in his spare time or knitting or any thing else that might not be deemed 'acceptable' to others. 

Furthermore, this reveal also fits with how the other Charlotte family members have been depicted; ruthlessness combined with an OTT DF power while hiding a massive sense of insecurity and an obvious weakness. Big Mom is incredibly powerful but gets mad when giants are mentioned or if anything happens to her food or the photo of Mother Caramel. Pudding hides behind the facade of good girl using both her DF powers and acting skills to lull others into a false sense of security but is sensitive about her 3rd eye. Cracker spent so much time inside his armor that few has seen his real face and despite his powerful CoA, his real body is sensitive to touch and his biscuit soldiers are weak to water.  Then there are instances like Charlotte Opera lying about the SH's perishing to save face and later loses his soul to Big Mom and Perospero risking his life to redirect Big Mom's food rage towards the SH's and away from the family members and the town people (a feat that would be considered heroic if he wasn't such a ruthless bastard).  Then there is Praline and Chiffon who left their families as soon as they got a chance to and didn't mind their husband's plotting against their own mother.  But that's to be expected when your mom is a crazy force of nature who will eat you on a whim. 


Now, in his flustered rage, Dogtooth has managed to give away an important weakness of his that Luffy, after managing to survive the gauntlet of his attacks,  is going to exploit to the fullest.  Though the question is, what is going to happen to Katakuri after this fight? is he going to go through some kind of change ala Pudding? And more importantly what kind of weakness does Smoothie have? What's her story? 

 


 

Also, I guess we now know why he's called 'Dogtooth' and I guess we can also put the theories of Streusen being his father to rest. 'Katakuri' still fits since his official colour scheme is that of the flower but I think this chapter has vindicated MS's original translation of the character's name.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 01:23 PM

I fucking died.  :lolxg: Well played Oda.

 

There are two things I didn't like about this:

  • Katakuri killing the chefs. I hope Oda isn't implying everything we've seen from Katakuri up to now is false and that he doesn't really care for his crew. It would be better if was just panicking after being caught stuffing his face and took them out because of that. I really liked the fact that Katakuri stood up for his family and crew.
  • Katakuri appears to have lost his edge because of this. It seems like he can still handle Luffy (even in G4), but he seems so flustered that he's gonna have trouble dealing with Luffy. I wanted Luffy to win on the basis of his strength or not win at all. That said, this might still happen. It's gonna be slightly annoying if Katakuri loses because of this. I don't like good villains losing because of things that have nothing to do with their fights. 

Other than that, we got a full chapter dedicated to their fight (finally). Katakuri preventing Luffy from going G4 was incredibly good. We haven't seen people interfere with Luffy like that before and the only time I remember anyone trying to do something similar was Pedro against Tamago. I can't even complain about the way he underestimated Luffy after he said he wasn't underestimating him, because it's plausible that he'd just slip a bit if he couldn't control his hankering for "forbidden immoral donuts" anymore.  :laugh:

 

The children of Big Mom seem to care for each other. They all went after Luffy after the latter beat Cracker but I don't think that sympathy extends towards hired help like the chefs. Big Mom doesn't seem to mind killing or hurting her children or hired help like the chefs depending on her mood. Katakuri's attitude seems consistent with what's been established so far. It could also be that his insecurities outweigh his love for his crew. Either way, we'll have to see what happens when some of his siblings sees his true self.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 01:42 PM

Amazing chapter, feels like the good old times.

Dogtooth seems like a really smart guy.. stopping Luffys transformation, not underestimating him and finishing the fight with a super lame but effective method, aslong as it gets the job done. I really like him


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 04:59 PM

So Dogtooth's real strength is focusing 100% on coo, then 100% into coa just to mind f%ck his opponent, then back to coo to see the next move.   :laugh:   What a tool.  Now that he is pissed he is really going to screw that strategy and its timing up.  It is really sad that one of the top fighters hasn't been steamrolled for such an unbalanced technique yet.  I wonder how he would fair if luffy decides to double fist culverin at him while using both coa and coo.  Let's see how strong his haki is doing using BOTH coa and coo against both fists while luffy is doing both coa and coo.  I get the feeling Dogtooth's only real strength is focusing on one and that using both he is actually weaker than Luffy.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 08:54 PM


Also, I guess we now know why he's called 'Dogtooth' and I guess we can also put the theories of Streusen being his father to rest. 'Katakuri' still fits since his official colour scheme is that of the flower but I think this chapter has vindicated MS's original translation of the character's name.

Actually the flower is also called dogtooth.

I think it's just a classic case of Japanese pun where a word can mean different things (this is not just Japanese of course but several other languages in existence) so all of them will do. Potato starch fits the food theme of BM pirates and dogtooth fits his teeth as well as the flower color scheme. Ergo the best way is to not translate it into English and simply keep the Japanese name Katakuri.

 

I mean Bleach's Ichigo for example: you don't translate his name as strawberry or fifteen or protector. You keep the name Ichigo because...well, it's a personal name, and the translator should just note what the name can possible mean and readers keep that in mind for future reference or nicknames. The other Charlottes' names can be translated because they are super straightforward and they are not Japanese names in the first place but just romanization of the English words.

 

Besides back then we know nothing about his teeth so I don't think MS's translation is justified in anw. Just a lucky guess or mistake.


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