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#1 secretzfan

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 11:49 PM

Text 50409 and resist to save the Internet from controlling what we see on the Internet
 
Here’s some things you could use for your net neutrality thing. I have the petition link ready. I also have a petition link to fire the guy doing it, a text message people can send, and a letter to Congress website if you want those.

Petition: https://www.change.o...=share_petition

There is also a petition
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Posted 14 December 2017 - 01:18 PM

It's over. 3-2, goodbye Net Neutrality :cry:


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 01:52 PM

Some are saying you can still call Congress

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 03:02 PM

Its...not...over
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Posted 15 December 2017 - 08:31 AM

Some are saying you can still call Congress

Exactly

There's still about a month left until Congress votes on it (They have the final say/are the ones with the power to pass it) however, the majority of Congress supports Net Neutrality so unless some shady shit happens between now and then, you guys will be fine

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 12:30 AM

What's so odd is the guy who is the chairman of the FCC and who had the tie breaking vote was a Obama appointee, yet the Obama administration set Title 2 NN in law.........what



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Posted 16 December 2017 - 08:56 AM

What's so odd is the guy who is the chairman of the FCC and who had the tie breaking vote was a Obama appointee, yet the Obama administration set Title 2 NN in law.........what

 

If I understood it correctly, the commission has to be bipartisan, so he had no choice but to take the Republican nomination for the job.


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 01:49 PM

Exactly

There's still about a month left until Congress votes on it (They have the final say/are the ones with the power to pass it) however, the majority of Congress supports Net Neutrality so unless some shady shit happens between now and then, you guys will be fine

 

You mean the lack of shady shit so far this year has you optimistic?


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 02:09 PM

You mean the lack of shady shit so far this year has you optimistic?

There's been plenty going on lol but at least right now, these clowns are all getting exposed so yeah....I'm slightly optimistic xD

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 04:54 AM

The only states I've seen that have decided to take some action all have democrat attorney generals, so I'm inclined to believe they'll push this further as a partisan issue without actually addressing the bill on its actual merits.


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Posted 23 December 2017 - 06:20 AM

The only states I've seen that have decided to take some action all have democrat attorney generals, so I'm inclined to believe they'll push this further as a partisan issue without actually addressing the bill on its actual merits.

 

I haven't seen the actual benefits of this bill in terms of content creators and consumers. It seems the beneficiaries of the bill is what is making this partisan.


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Posted 24 December 2017 - 09:25 AM

I haven't seen the actual benefits of this bill in terms of content creators and consumers. It seems the beneficiaries of the bill is what is making this partisan.

I meant the bill to repeal the 14th of December FCC decision, if you must tease out my stance.


 

For curiosity's sake, if anyone has the interest and patience, here's a video with some of the finer points as to why someone would perhaps be opposed to net neutrality.

 


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:50 AM

So who won? And what changed?

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 11:30 AM

So who won? And what changed?

Absolutely, positively, nothing. The original purpose of Net Neutrality was to prevent a monopoly of the Internet in the US via ISP. Back when the only two 'players' were AOL and Compuserve were the 'only games in town', NN was needed to keep a monopoly from forming via metering/unreasonable bandwidth limits/and of course the type of information a person can look up on the net without being blocked/censored by an ISP.

 

Overtime more ISPs popped up, better technology came about in terms of faster bandwidth, and because of free market principles, companies had to compete by giving faster and faster speeds to customers. Right now we are at the point in that unlimited bandwidth/data are the rule of thumb when trying to get new customers. And since what caps do exist are unusually high(5-10 gig/month) very few people will actually reach that point on a monthly basis.

 

As for those who are thinking - BUT ISP CENSORSHIP! Here is another to consider - there are ton of ISPs. Some national, many local. If a person doesn't like their ISP because of that they can trade up. Even Contracts are becoming a thing of a past. While many of the big providers still have yearly contracts, very few do not have an insane 'Cancellation Fee'.(And if an ISP is has that, then go somewhere else).

 

The only concern is 'equipment'. If the company provides a phone/router/whatever, they will want that back and will charge an arm and a leg for not getting the device back. Of course the way around that is to buy your own phone/router/whatever if possible and just pay for the Internet access.


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 07:00 PM

Absolutely, positively, nothing. The original purpose of Net Neutrality was to prevent a monopoly of the Internet in the US via ISP. Back when the only two 'players' were AOL and Compuserve were the 'only games in town', NN was needed to keep a monopoly from forming via metering/unreasonable bandwidth limits/and of course the type of information a person can look up on the net without being blocked/censored by an ISP.

 

Overtime more ISPs popped up, better technology came about in terms of faster bandwidth, and because of free market principles, companies had to compete by giving faster and faster speeds to customers. Right now we are at the point in that unlimited bandwidth/data are the rule of thumb when trying to get new customers. And since what caps do exist are unusually high(5-10 gig/month) very few people will actually reach that point on a monthly basis.

 

As for those who are thinking - BUT ISP CENSORSHIP! Here is another to consider - there are ton of ISPs. Some national, many local. If a person doesn't like their ISP because of that they can trade up. Even Contracts are becoming a thing of a past. While many of the big providers still have yearly contracts, very few do not have an insane 'Cancellation Fee'.(And if an ISP is has that, then go somewhere else).

 

The only concern is 'equipment'. If the company provides a phone/router/whatever, they will want that back and will charge an arm and a leg for not getting the device back. Of course the way around that is to buy your own phone/router/whatever if possible and just pay for the Internet access.

Yeah this isn't true at all.

 

Sooner rather than later because they got rid of NN the internet is going to start getting noticeable slower. It might not happen to day but ISP are going to start slowing down the internet and asking for more money to speed it back up.


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Posted 27 May 2018 - 06:56 AM

Yeah this isn't true at all.

 

Sooner rather than later because they got rid of NN the internet is going to start getting noticeable slower. It might not happen to day but ISP are going to start slowing down the internet and asking for more money to speed it back up.

And if company starts doing that, consumers will go somewhere else.


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Posted 27 May 2018 - 01:17 PM

And if company starts doing that, consumers will go somewhere else.

LOL. They all will start doing it.

 

Example. Comcast came out with a plan to force us to only have 300GB worth of data points of month. We switch to AT&T. The next week AT&T started to use the same freaking mode and that was the only two choices i had in my neighborhood. I had to go back to Comcast and now using their business plan. Which is a bit better but cost more.


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Posted 28 May 2018 - 10:41 AM

LOL. They all will start doing it.

 

Example. Comcast came out with a plan to force us to only have 300GB worth of data points of month. We switch to AT&T. The next week AT&T started to use the same freaking mode and that was the only two choices i had in my neighborhood. I had to go back to Comcast and now using their business plan. Which is a bit better but cost more.

Verizon, Cricket, Spectrum, T-Mobile, etc. . .don't act like AT&T or Comcast are the 'only games in town' for Internet Access.


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Posted 28 May 2018 - 01:30 PM

Verizon, Cricket, Spectrum, T-Mobile, etc. . .don't act like AT&T or Comcast are the 'only games in town' for Internet Access.

# Provider Type Coverage Speed 1 AT&T Internet DSL and Fiber 87.2%+ 1,000 Mbps

2 XFINITY from Comcast Cable 98.5%+ 987 Mbps

3 Windstream DSL 5.1%+ 6.0 Mbps

4 Google Fiber Fiber 2.5%+ 1,000 Mbps 5

HughesNet Satellite 100% 15 Mbps

6 Viasat Internet (formerly Exede) Satellite 100% 12 Mbps

7 Comcast Business Cable 100% 987 Mbps

8 AT&T DSL and Fiber 89.2%+ 1,000 Mbps

9 Birch Communications Copper 10.7%+ 20 Mbps

10 MegaPath Copper and DSL 5.3%+ 12 Mbps

 

 

I google fiber isn't in my area.

 

My internet speed right now is 60mps and it is slow as hell. Tell me who can complete with Comcast and at&t in my area.


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Posted 28 May 2018 - 05:03 PM

What about T-Mobile or Spectrum.

T-Mobile has portable hotspot devices.


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