Tbh, I also much rather see Big Mum go down in this arc, than having to put with another arc with her mediocrty in the future.
I dont get why so many disregard the possibility of BM having to face another SN alliance (Hawkins, Bege, Apoo, Kidd, Bonney, Urouge, Drake) most are still available after all. I mean i could see 5 of them i.e.:
Drake+Apoo (those 2 already r kind of temporary allies within the Beast pirates, thus enemies of all other yonkou)+Urouge(already faced/defeated commander Snack of BM pirates, thus linked to BM)+Bege (enemy of BM), +perhaps Hawkins or Bonney. Kidd i would rule out in teaming up with the betrayer Apoo ever again, i believe him to hold a grudge and defeat Apoo for good (possibly killing him).
Another alliance i would still like is Kidd+Hawkins+ Y (+Z), so 3 or 4 SN crews together to defeat an emperor.
I think i should order the SN crews in strenght as to further explain:
2. Kidd pirates
I really consider the SHs to be pretty much ahead of all individual other SNcrews, especially with Jinbei and Carrot as NN. Moreover we dont know about any other SN (although Drake and Apoo might be possibilities) to have a fleet like the SHs do. Neither do we know any of them to have such powerful allies as the Minks (beast pirates not included since they are part of them, not the other way around).
I am pretty much certain that the SHs+Shsfleet (DR time/ no minks) are enough to defeat Bege+Urouge(countered by Barto if rumors about his fruit turn out to be true)+Drake or Apoo (countered by Brook). Thus 3 mid-lower SN crews. Although of course the powerlvl is only speculation on my part could be entirely false and Bonney could be SHs lvl but i dont believe so. The only ones of whos powerlvl i am uncertain actually is when comparing Drake, Apoo and Urouge. Drake could be by far the strongest among them, if trained by another beast pirate commander or Kaidou himself, same with Apoo, Urouge's fruit might even make in invulnerable under certain conditions who knows. Still am certain that Bonney and Bege are the weakest overall powerwise. And that the SHs, Law and Kidd stand at the top aint coming out of the blue either. Law himself was presented overallsignifcantly weaker than Luffy though, which i why i believe for him to have been made and equal or slightly surpassed already even by Hawkins.
On the other hand with only half the SHs there, the SHs did not really do much so far (talking about taking out someone) Cracker himself was taken out specifically in a sitiuation were he was alone, which in a complete war mostlikely would not happen, moreover the allies/forces BM does have completely outshinesthe Shs. They can easily replace fighters and let them recuperate, just like the minks did, which the SHs as of now cant. For me, no matter how bad the BM pirates were shown, they still completely outclass the SHs +fleet (minks not counted) even without BM being put into the calculations. Katakuri already defeated Luffy and Smoothies DF seems to be pretty much a 1hit/touch KO. I can see Smoothie defeated by Zoro and Cracker by Sanji (if each would get several goes like Luffy did), but only high diff, with being useless afterwards, sadly too many powerhouses like Peros, Daifuku (underwhelming so far but nonetheless certainly presented as monster because he actually can back it up), 1st daughter, Oven, rest of quindrupleds and the thousands of fodder forces. Tamago and MontD'or not the weakest neither the strongest among them.
What people imo vastly underestimate is not only the fact that BM was kindly made a nonefactor by Oda, but also that Oda choose to deliberately weaken the BMpirates by taking out essential parts of her forces (Smoothie, not even engaging, Cracker being defeated because BM pirates underestimate the SHs and send him in alone...., Katakuri now being imprisoned, when we know for a fact he was fine with all the SHs on the ship, with him there they all would have died back then, since BM was coming too, Brulee as such a great force for surprise attacks in a war, made useless by imprisoning herself and getting caught by chopper...noone questioning that....again Oda wanting the SHs to survive the arc....) if all of those would still be able to roam free the SHs would have already been defeated for good. Remember Luffy needed a lot of time to figure out Katakuris abilities, in a war Katakuri would want to safe his siblings thus not waste his time like he did so far by ramaining so passiv, he would certaily have used killing blows right away. And unlike now Luffy could not have run away after G4 timelimit came up, since then Katakuri would have slain the remaining SHs, which Luffy cant allow, ergo he would have needed to stay, which would have turn out to be his cartain doom/defeat.
ANyway we have to keep in mind that BM will have a blemish on her fame after the SHs r done with her, it does not really matter whether anyone among the BM pirates get defeated from here on out, they will still loose credibility, which will make some believe the BMpirates to be vulnerable.
Moreover BB pirates might attack the BMpirates at the next big festivity, since BMs weakness with the picture might become generelly known and the WG and BB strike me as taking advantage from such a knowledge.
no. Why does Blackbeard have to have it easy, why doesnt he takes down Big Mom?. I dont like the premise of luffy cleaning out the deck for Blackbeard to come in and take any of the spoils. If Blackbeard has risen to the strongest, i would like him earn it. I dont want kaido nor big mom to go down before they have a taste at blackbeard.
I dont really see a problem here. I mean the damage the SHs did against BMpirates is pretty minor so far:
Cracker defeated, but not dead as far as we know-->can fight BB at full force if he happens to come at them
Katakuri, notyet defeated, Luffy wont kill him-->can fight BB as well
Peros-->k lost an arm, still very much alive and able to fight
Bobbins, k 1 100miller is gone...buhuu....
Brulee still alive
pretty much everyone still alive.
To sum it up:
While BM will have a huge blemish at her fame because of the SHs getting away as well as having lost a bit of their ships and forces as well as cake tower, her overall forces are still pretty much intact.
@tenchu Dude some of the alleged leaked info from one of the editors has Teach riding on easy street. He kills a "marine" and becomes the PK
I heard of this before was their any comfirmation for this?
no, you are a sheep because you are not are seeing how much of a fool oda is or how much of a fool oda thinks we are. If Blackbeard is end game then show us, dont keep him at vague to protect his hype and others. Dont let luffy take down the yonkos without Blackbeard having to prove himself. Why should Blackbeard wait out at the end while luffy is the one who's gonna do the grunt work by cleaning out the yonkos?. Im not saying Blackbeard should have taken down the yonkos, im saying that he should have battled with them and come out the winner or close to it, showing us that he deserves to await for luffy at the end.
Chill mate BB is simply cautious. He does not attack an enemy of the lvl of a yonkou without himself having an ace up his sleeve, even if said ace is them having been weakened by whatever power. He said earlier in MFwar he does not yet have what it takes to attack yonkou himself. We can assume this still is true, therefore he as of now will continue to amass his forces and power byhunting for DFs! The only one he thought he could already handle was the RA, but Dragon seemed to be a bit too smart ot let such a thing happen to him as it seems.
BB taking on an weakened BM, especially like i presented above by useing her picture weakness and killing her forces while she is in trauma and then defeating her, fits into BBs character,and is part of his power as a yonkou, his ability to be patient. Even Shanks remarked about that one. And since the world already is in conflict with the marines ammasing forces and Kaiduo being occupied with Wano, BB might take the advantage tohunt down for BMs (+BMpirates) DFs.
He could also be hunting the SN for their fruits. They as of now are still pretty easy targets for him, since powerwise they currently cant match the yonkou, not even the weakest among them.
Edited by capu, 10 January 2018 - 05:06 AM.