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#81 gamria

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Posted 06 November 2018 - 07:27 AM

Eng Ch 37

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Posted 20 November 2018 - 06:50 AM

Eng Ch 38

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 02:36 AM

Wait, so what happened there in the end  :huh:

 

What did Sagiri confirm? Her last slash was able to cut Tensen, but was that because she outputted tao?



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Posted 22 November 2018 - 08:01 AM

Wait, so what happened there in the end  :huh:

 

What did Sagiri confirm? Her last slash was able to cut Tensen, but was that because she outputted tao?

Back in the battle with the giant, Sagiri had already exhibited the aptitude to use Tao. But while she could "feel" the "wave", she didn't recognise her strength as anything special.

Then en route to Hourai, Hoko's explanation on Tao made her wonder if that was what she had used

And this chapter, Sagiri was able to confirm of her ability

 

https://onemangaforu...-4#entry1194461

Based on this chapter, and if "The Flow" is indeed the best way to interpret Tao in English (as far as its usage in this manga goes anyway), then Tao can only be broken by colliding sufficient amounts of Tao against it; you need a strong enough flow of energy in order to sever another flow

 

So yes, contrary to Mu Dan's provocation, someone here can output enough Tao to strike him down.

 

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Incidentally, his mention of 属性, which can mean attribute/property/element, and given that Tao seems to be an application of Qi, there is speculation that Kaji-sensei is going to incorporate the Five Elements into the rest of his cultural hodge-podge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Xing


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 01:36 PM

Back in the battle with the giant, Sagiri had already exhibited the aptitude to use Tao. But while she could "feel" the "wave", she didn't recognise her strength as anything special.

Then en route to Hourai, Hoko's explanation on Tao made her wonder if that was what she had used

And this chapter, Sagiri was able to confirm of her ability

 

https://onemangaforu...-4#entry1194461

Based on this chapter, and if "The Flow" is indeed the best way to interpret Tao in English (as far as its usage in this manga goes anyway), then Tao can only be broken by colliding sufficient amounts of Tao against it; you need a strong enough flow of energy in order to sever another flow

 

So yes, contrary to Mu Dan's provocation, someone here can output enough Tao to strike him down.

 

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Incidentally, his mention of 属性, which can mean attribute/property/element, and given that Tao seems to be an application of Qi, there is speculation that Kaji-sensei is going to incorporate the Five Elements into the rest of his cultural hodge-podge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Xing

Ok, that makes sense!

 

Thanks for the explanation and all the other explanations you provide for the other chapters when it comes to translations! I find them pretty interesting  :)



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Posted 27 November 2018 - 05:00 PM

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Different Tao types explains alot.
I guess this explain the Tensen note of "do you know what you did" to Genbu when it couldn't heal.

I wonder if Tao type is per person or a person can use multipLe Tao types?

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 08:00 AM

Eng Ch 39
 

https://www.viz.com/...455?action=read

Different Tao types explains alot.
I guess this explain the Tensen note of "do you know what you did" to Genbu when it couldn't heal.

I wonder if Tao type is per person or a person can use multipLe Tao types?

 
Speculation continues that Tao is going to be categorised under the Five Elements. Just a means of categorising mind you, not necessarily that some have a fiery life force, watery life force, etc.
 
Yet, it'll still apply enough that between Tao practitioners, they will be strong, weak or neutral against others.
 
Hmm, hadn't considered that. If Gabimaru has been unconsciously using Tao as Sagiri speculated, then it could be that Gabimaru is of an Element that's strong against Zhu Jin
 
While Bochu Jutsu supposedly unlocks more powers, we don't know if it'd let them access another Element or not

 

And for the record, let's not forget that Mu Dan can still possibly go into that Kishitai flower monster form, so not thinking that the fight's over yet, however cool it was


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Posted 10 December 2018 - 03:28 PM

Im liking this manga more and more. Tho its not a story I can read every week. Its better wen the chapters build up and i read it in bulk.

At first i thought the story was too limited and small in scale but im starting to see how it can grow and be a big manga

And i like how the power system is getting more complicated. Its starting to remind me of nen. I love it. I cant wait to see how far it will go

I do wish we had more villians then jus seven guys. It makes it feel like kind of small in that regard. And if the aurthor hadnt of killed off so many people in the beginning the battle scale could have been alot bigger

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 06:46 AM

Eng Ch 40

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I knew Mu Dan will go into Kishitai mode, I actually skimmed the chapter to confirm the inevitable.

Stings that effectively cause instant K.O. ... defeat by injection is certainly fitting for the scientist-like villain

 

As mentioned in Ch 4, logically speaking, if honour and duty are disregarded, the Asaemon have no actual obligation to protect the criminals they're in charge of. But man, for all that he detests his position in life, Senta is a true Samurai

I hope he can make it, somehow

 

Glad that Shion and Nurugai have joined the party. He must've used his sensory skills to navigate the fog into Hourai.

I don't know if they're in a position to slay flower monsters, but I still want to see what he'll do next week

 

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Also, I've written a post on Reddit that talks about the historical Yamada Asaemons:

https://www.reddit.c...amada_asaemons/


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Posted 18 December 2018 - 06:22 AM

Eng Ch 41

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Important note: "soukoku" on page 14 doesn't simply mean "rivalry", but rather "antithesis" works much better. I won't say more yet until others have had a chance to catch up


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Posted 26 December 2018 - 04:02 AM

Man, if Shion wasn't blind, I wonder if he would've qualified for Test Cutting One Sword Style Rank 1

This guy just continues to impress

 

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So, the reason for my previous remark is because with this chapter, just like 相生 on page 19, 相克 on page 14 is also related to the Chinese Five Elements, "synthesis" and "antithesis" respectively.

Basically, we finally have confirmation that Kaku-sensei's Tao system operates on the principles of the Five Elements, and hence their compatibility with one another.
 
I'll write more on this at some point, but here's where we're at as far as the combatants of this battle goes. It's advisable to open up a Chinese Five Elements chart for my explanation by the way:
  • Mu Dan (the Tensen) and Yuzuriha possess Tao of Element A; Sagiri and Shion are of Element B; and Nurugai is of Element C
  • Element B evidently has an antithetic relationship to Element A and therefore harmful, while Element C has a synthetic relationship to Element B and therefore helpful
(I opt to use ABC, since we have yet to properly confirm who has what: Fire, Water, Earth, Wood or Metal)
 
In layman's terms:
  1. Since Mu Dan and Yuzuriha belong to the same Element (A), her Tao attacks are not particularly effective against him
  2. Sagiri and Shion ( B ) are antithetic to him (A), so their Tao attacks are super effective
  3. Nurugai ( C ) is helpful to (2), and only (2). Her Tao healing can only work on a select group of targets ( B ).
To go deeper into (3), if you look up a Five Elements chart, no matter what their Elements actually are, Element C will never be synthetic to Element A, which is why Nurugai ( C ) cannot heal Yuzuriha (A). Quite the opposite in fact, Element A is antithetic to Element C and therefore extra lethal, so Mu Dan's attacks would be extra bad against Nurugai.
 
Additionally, Viz's translator Caleb Cook contributed his speculation on Reddit: given the name convention of Mu Dan's 2 Hojutsu techniques (making use of the archaic Heavenly Stems system of ordinals), is "all but guaranteed to be earth". Which would make Sagiri and Shion's element Wood (Wood is antithetic to Earth) and Nurugai Water (Water is synthetic to Wood)
 
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Also, I've written a post on Reddit that discusses the Tensen and more Chinese terms:

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 11:44 AM

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 06:28 PM

Eng Ch 42

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Seriously, this fight has been so intense its awesome, the artwork helps too

I'd like to think that Mu Dan is going to be finished. And Shion won't die until he's finally pinpointed the location of the Island's exiting current


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Posted 02 January 2019 - 04:39 PM

These past few chapters have been enjoyable to read. Shion has quickly become one of my favorites. 



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Posted 09 January 2019 - 12:59 AM

Eng Ch 43

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