The thing is though that if Luffy doesn't defeat a single yonkou by himself besides BB then I'm not shure if he can be called PK.
Not so sure about that one. I.e. If Luffy were to defeat Kaidou and his forces with all the allies he currently has/we know of (Minks, Samurai/Ninja, SH fleet, WB remnants, Heart pirates, most likely Kidd and possibly Drake) then goes to defeat i.e. BM or Shanks with only Heart pirates (or Firetank pirates, hopefully Beges crew will become permanent ally, with Law going seperate way after Wano in order to become some kind of WB, although weaker, as to say no real equal like WB was to Roger) + SHfleet there would still be a huge progress to be seen here. Afterwards the SHs +SHfleet soloing BB+fleet would be the real deal, and still make it believeable to the SHs to finally outdo all that came before (including GR+crew), it would still justify for them to be the center of all the opworld has to offer.
Moreover the SHs defeating the 2nd yonkou with lesser support and the last yonkou alone, would (what i would love to see) still leave room for another SN alliance to take down a yonkou for themselves and thus make a coming clash between said SN alliance and the SHs still available. I mean who would care about the SHs trashing 3 or mayhaps even 4 SN crews without them having proven to stand on equal ground by having defeated a yonkou as well?
And his determination is to defeat all of them because he knows that he needs to do that in order to earn that title.
I honeslty cant see Luffy fighting Shanks. If the SHs ever were to clash against the Red Hair pirates i really dont see Zoro not intercepting demanding to fight Shanks for himself. Zoro already stated that he would "betray" Luffy if he ever were to stand between him and achieving his dream, which is to become SSM! I dont see Zoro not considering Shanks as a stepping stone either if they ever would clash, since he should know about Shanks from Mihawk. Then again pretty much every important swordsman we saw clashed with Zoro, i dont Oda breakin this habit, especially not when talking about a swordsman of that lvl.
I think that chopper can still grow on wano. The characters, aside from t/s, only grow on screen anayways. So if chopper would be in wano right now, by the time we readers catch up to him, nothing would have happened.
I see that might be true. I dont object ur point, but i always thought that Oda will first show what the missing SHs did in Wano (thus show a seperate story with only them and what they did, similar to the WCI crew now, just not as thorough). With only afterwards showing the reunion.
They should all have Haki now anyway
Doubtful. We know that Usoop awakened his CoO (if it was that) at DR. He did not have CoA vs. CC, otherwise (unless too weak, which at that point would have been pointed out imo) he would not have needed kairoseki in the first place. And since the DR scene made clear that CoO, which considering Usoops fearful character and his unwillingness to fight melee battle in normal circumstances, is the best suited haki type for him currently and CoA will come after that, when his enemies are so powerful, that his usual bullets dont do enough damage to take down the enemy, thus CoA needed.
Luffy made clear that one needs to be pushed beyond ones limits in order for haki to awaken/manifest (Ace being executed at MF, now in Katakuri fight). Usoops moment of being pushed to the edge was when he feared to forget all about his captain, which drove him beyond all he previously experienced, and which led to his CoO to awaken.
Chopper is just like that with the difference that his moment of being pushed too far has not yet come onscreen, which is why i dont see him having learned about haki at all!
Neither do i see Franky, Robin or Nami to have experienced anything as grave as what it needs to be in order to understand the dormant power of haki.
Although i dont really think that Franky, being as smart as he is, and mayhaps being able to use /implant Kairoseki into himself/his weapons, will really need it. CoO he might do with sensors or similar stuff, CoA with Kairoseki, of which we already know that is also provides a lot of tankyness, dont see him to ever get CoC.
Nami might get CoO but CoA i dont see coming with her honestly. Her attacks are based on elemental stuff, ergo i think she, being as smart as she is, will find a way in order to even deal with certain logia, by countering with weather-/elemental science , just like she did with Monet. Those she cant counter with her skills might be fought by either Chopper, Franky, Robin Usoop.
Robin is different, she has her limbs to provide her the vision of CoO, but perhaps she will get it, CoA i am pretty sure she will get later on, since her limbs are vulnerable too attacks, empowering them with CoA might be a good idea in order for her to become far more useful.
Honestly i would really like Oda to do it like that (meaning notgiving all SHs all (or main2) haki types) but to let every SH find a way to deal with certain enemies their own, in a way that suits their individual skills best and shows how each and every SH is a sepearate entity with his very own strenghts and weaknesses. It would also underline how they need one another and how effective they are as a whole and how every single one of them is the reason that Luffy eventually is even able to achieve his dream. They speicalizing in different areas is also a part of what makes them so effective since no matter which enemy they come across they either have the wits, the raw power or the specialisation to deal with him/her/them.
If it goes on like this than Luffy will be PK with half his crew not having haki.
That is true. Only M4 having haki seems highly unlikely for the future PKs crew. At EOS no SH should not be a very powerful enemy who is at least low shicki lvl. Thus they need their ways to fight everyone there is, with excepttions just supporting the generel rule. I mean even Usoop stated that there are enemies even Luffy is powerless against, and that claim i would like to stay true until the EOS and beyond. I too believe that many of them will have at least 1 haki type with making up for the missing/weak haki parts by other techs or by simply tagteaming, if need be. I would not rule out Franky going a different way though, just like i would not rule out Nami to fight logias without CoA but by simply countering their element, i.e.: Nami fights Croc with water, Akainu with water, Aokiji with fire/heat, earth-DF-user with water or wind or lighting or whatever. Nami might also be capable in the future to actually take away the air to breath just like CC did. I mean all Paramecia still should need to fear lighting, if struck by it, so i dont think it a necessity for her to get CoA. CoO i see her getting though.
And every enemy they face in the NW has haki.
Haki aint needed to defeat a haki user though. Brute strength is enough as can be seen in Luffy vs Boa sisters. Thus i suspect that lighting (elemental attacks from Nami, or rockets / lasers from Franky, or fighting from Chopper etc.) should also be enough to overcome someones CoA defense, even if significantly stronger than ones own haki (if existant), as long as the attack itself is of high enough power/lvl.
Edited by capu, 06 February 2018 - 12:29 PM.