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So is Doffy finally out for good from the Yonkiral race with this chapter?
Nov 27 2014 01:53 PM
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    zetruz
    Why this one??? Surely the last one or the one with the Red Hawk did that?
    I think he's between Marco and the Yonkirals, me. Which might still be Yonkiral-level because he's able to actually compete with them but always lose (รก la Marco but better), but that's a technicality. The comment about Kaidou doesn't mean any more than it did on the Den Den Mushi or on the bridge; it just means Doflamingo knows he'd lose to Kaidou. That's counting the armies under them, too.
    (And seeing as how Kaidou's epithet, Strongest Creature in the World, puts him above even Shanks? By that strict logic, Shanks wouldn't be Yonkiral-level either.)

    So, does this chapter prove Kaidou > Doflamingo? Nope. Is Kaidou stronger than Doflamingo? Almost certainly. But I'll secretly harbor those Yonkiral-level hopes until Doffy's actually taken out, but they'll be hoping against hope. Because everything speaks against it.
    Nov 27 2014 02:12 PM
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    Furinji Saiga
    You don't think this statement by Doffy here is proof of his inferiority to Kaido.
    http://readms.com/r/one_piece/769/2615/9

    And Kaido is most definitely stronger than Doflamingo as are the rest of the Yonkirals,Dragon, and Mihawk. And even within the Yonkiral level there is a difference (small) of power, but it is present.

    I think someone like Fujitora is solidly stronger than Doflamingo, and Kaido is a bit stronger than Fuji, so the difference will be even more pronounced when Kaido is compared to Doflamingo. As for Doflamingo fighting against them, I do not see him giving them high difficulty fights at all. At best I see him giving them medium difficulty.

    Nov 27 2014 02:32 PM
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    zetruz
    No, it isn't. Even if Doflamingo was stronger than Kaidou, he would still be able to say what he said assuming Kaidou's total forces > Doflamingo's. Obviously it isn't pitting Doflamingo and Kaidou against each other only in a duel; we're talking about an actual war. So no, it's not proof. It's certainly evidence, but it's no more proof than chapter 597 was. http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-698-page-18.html *shrugs*

    Of course there are power differences among the "real" Yonkirals. They may not even be small in all cases. For example, Akainu may be on power level 100 while Big Mom is on 90. Possible. Even though both are real Yonkirals.

    Sounds about right, yeah. Though a part of me still hopes it's wrong. =P
    Nov 27 2014 02:47 PM